Next Head Coach

[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318277]we are sju:

If you seriously think I'd rather be right than having Mullin and SJ succeed then you need to get to know me in person. You don't see what's behind the scenes. My friend and I have literally met with administration about how to get more fans to games, did research on other schools and what works, contacted other student sections, took polls, tried raising the social media profile on Twitter and uniting the fanbase, created a website, a new forum, tons of giveaways, researched bars for pregame meetups and we are spending our own money for everything asking for nothing. We went to Party City's all over LI spending hundreds on red wigs just to give out to students for the Nebraska game last year and get them going. Essentially, we've been doing a part-time job for free even though we both have full-time careers. I've driven from central Suffolk to Queens after work just to meet with people at the school and try to help.

Sorry for the rant, but my friend and I have spent so much of our own money, time, and effort doing everything we can to try and support this program. We are not billionaires like Repole. I want to see this program take off more than anyone. I hope to see a lot of you at our pregame meetup at LocalNYC before the Nova game. We got them to offer $3 beers including craft and we are paying for the wings. Hope I can have a beer with some of you, god knows we need it.[/quote]

The wining that is coming up will have more streaks than your and your friend's underwear, son!
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=318286]
Like the 10 person “crowd” at CA for NIT home opener debacle loss to Robert Morris in Lav days. :)[/quote]


One of the smartest things the school has done in the past 10 years was not taking a home game when they played in the 2009 CBI. That would have been more embarrassing than the loss to Richmond.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=318283][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=318265][quote="IDRAFT" post=318119]Every time I've discussed Mullin with the people that I know that have bearing on a decision on the coach I have been told Mullin is not in any danger at all. None. Also, the AD has a voice but does not have the authority to fire the coach. By the way, that is not a SJU thing, at basically all power conference schools football or basketball coaches may report to an AD on a day-to-day basis but hiring and firing decisions run through the school president and BOT.

I think the best one can hope for is some staff changes, and in that regard I have hope Cragg can be helpful. It might not be the solution people crave but I suspect some staff changes would improve things and personally I'll take it.[/quote]

If we don't make the ncaa tourny this year, what makes think we'll get changes to the staff? We wanted that the last 2-3yrs but it never happened. Maybe Cragg will force it.
If no ncaa tourny, and no staff changes in the off-season, then I won't watch next year, cause i won't give a crap anymore. Mullin every year does it his way, and isn't held accountable.
How can you not be sick of it?[/quote]

I rather they never lose but at the end of the day it’s just a form of entertainment. I haven’t found these years worthless at all, other than year one. And I agree 100 percent with you, if it isn’t doing anything for you just check out on it. I’ve said this many times, I gave up my tickets and basically didn’t follow the program during the Norm years. To me that’s what I find weird around here, all the gnashing of teeth. Nobody is forcing anyone to go to the games or watch them on TV.[/quote]

Well Draft, if no NCAA this year, then it would be 4 years of nothing, you know Chris still wont make a staff change, so I'd like to see Mike force, if mullin don't like it then let him walk away. You gotta try to do something for the better (another recruiter, an experienced coach, somebody) of the program, if you care.
Mullin just wants his buddy mitch with him, so he won't make a change.

If sju doesn't care then why should I?
Since 01, it's been 2ncaa appearances (both under lav), 0 wins. Chris has the most talented team in the league, everyone thought we'd make the NCAA tourney this season, but here we are at 3-5 and going on a tough 3 game road trip. It's just hard to put my heart in it every year, if you feel like sju doesn't care.
Anyone can see we need another recruiter, or an experienced coach.
So if no NCAA this year, then do something, get help if you really care.

original post was on my android without my reading glasses, but fixed.
 
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I have been going to CA since it opened,including the Robert Morris NIT game and totally agree with Paultzman. It was the worst atmosphere I ever experienced. That game could be a forerunner of this year with both Lavins team and this year's team feeling they are too good for the NIT creating the worst atmosphere imaginable.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318277]we are sju:

If you seriously think I'd rather be right than having Mullin and SJ succeed then you need to get to know me in person. You don't see what's behind the scenes. My friend and I have literally met with administration about how to get more fans to games, did research on other schools and what works, contacted other student sections, took polls, tried raising the social media profile on Twitter and uniting the fanbase, created a website, a new forum, tons of giveaways, researched bars for pregame meetups and we are spending our own money for everything asking for nothing. We went to Party City's all over LI spending hundreds on red wigs just to give out to students for the Nebraska game last year and get them going. Essentially, we've been doing a part-time job for free even though we both have full-time careers. I've driven from central Suffolk to Queens after work just to meet with people at the school and try to help.

Sorry for the rant, but my friend and I have spent so much of our own money, time, and effort doing everything we can to try and support this program. We are not billionaires like Repole. I want to see this program take off more than anyone. I hope to see a lot of you at our pregame meetup at LocalNYC before the Nova game. We got them to offer $3 beers including craft and we are paying for the wings. Hope I can have a beer with some of you, god knows we need it.[/quote]

I respect that and being a Met, Knick and ST John's fan I can understand frustration. I was you during the Norm years but I tried to mix things up a little. I am a loyal guy. Mullin made pre teen WASJU a happy fan. I am going to support him as long as he is here. Do I think he has done a good job? No I am not crazy. My main issue other than saying the same thing over and over was people complaining during 12-0. Still don't see the point there. How often has the program been 12-0 against anyone? What people wanted to point out that the close games were a harbinger of what was to come? Again what is the point of that other than to say I told you so. A ST John's basketball fan should have been happy with 12-0 no matter what. What came next was irrelevant to that.
I hope things turn around and we make the tourney. I would hope that is what most want but I guarantee some on here don't.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=318286][quote="ron " post=318282][quote="Class of 72" post=318276][quote="ron " post=318230][quote="Class of 72" post=318203][quote="fordham96" post=318142]Look the best argument against a thread like this is it is premature and even with a collapse this year is still unlikely to happen.

But if the best argument you can come up with is that 'We can't keep doing this because the next coach could be just as bad or worse" you know you have run out of defensible arguments for the current staff.

But I honestly think the reality is much worse. I think the administration has boxed themselves and I don't see a way out at this point.[/quote]

THAT is the reality.
They hired their greatest player who never had an interest in coaching.
They hired a legend nobody wanted to criticize and certainly would not want to fire.
Now, if it doesn't work out, the only way out of that box is to hope he would gracefully resign.
If that's not being boxed in then I don't know what is.

This thread is both premature and unfair at this point. Unless the team implodes there is likely no discussion taking place at the university regarding firing Chris Mullin.[/quote]

Define implode.[/quote]

Unable to deal with the pressure and the team breaks down or falls apart from within : SELF-DESTRUCT. That would happen if another player leaves, if we lose most of the remaining games and fail to even make the NIT.
Then the AD and President may have a serious discussion.
Going .500 will not get him fired.
I have no doubt about it.[/quote]

I certainly think there is an excellent chance we finish under .500 in conference. I suspect we will get an NIT invite if for no other reason that we are a local team and will fill seats. Certainly expect at least one transfer out. Probably after the season is over.[/quote]
Like the 10 person “crowd” at CA for NIT home opener debacle loss to Robert Morris in Lav days. :)[/quote]

Ouch! Did you have to remind of that? I was there and I consider it one of the lowest points in my years as a game attendee.
 
[quote="Tonyinfairfield " post=318299][quote="Paultzman" post=318286][quote="ron " post=318282][quote="Class of 72" post=318276][quote="ron " post=318230][quote="Class of 72" post=318203][quote="fordham96" post=318142]Look the best argument against a thread like this is it is premature and even with a collapse this year is still unlikely to happen.

But if the best argument you can come up with is that 'We can't keep doing this because the next coach could be just as bad or worse" you know you have run out of defensible arguments for the current staff.

But I honestly think the reality is much worse. I think the administration has boxed themselves and I don't see a way out at this point.[/quote]

THAT is the reality.
They hired their greatest player who never had an interest in coaching.
They hired a legend nobody wanted to criticize and certainly would not want to fire.
Now, if it doesn't work out, the only way out of that box is to hope he would gracefully resign.
If that's not being boxed in then I don't know what is.

This thread is both premature and unfair at this point. Unless the team implodes there is likely no discussion taking place at the university regarding firing Chris Mullin.[/quote]

Define implode.[/quote]

Unable to deal with the pressure and the team breaks down or falls apart from within : SELF-DESTRUCT. That would happen if another player leaves, if we lose most of the remaining games and fail to even make the NIT.
Then the AD and President may have a serious discussion.
Going .500 will not get him fired.
I have no doubt about it.[/quote]

I certainly think there is an excellent chance we finish under .500 in conference. I suspect we will get an NIT invite if for no other reason that we are a local team and will fill seats. Certainly expect at least one transfer out. Probably after the season is over.[/quote]
Like the 10 person “crowd” at CA for NIT home opener debacle loss to Robert Morris in Lav days. :)[/quote]

Ouch! Did you have to remind of that? I was there and I consider it one of the lowest points in my years as a game attendee.[/quote]
And Lav arrived late to chagrin of Val Ackerman who was one of the 10 attendees referenced. :)
 
[quote="plandome4" post=318288]IT'S FUNNY HOW THIS BOARD HAS MOOD SWINGS....LOOK AT SOME OF THE MANY QUOTES WITHIN THE LAST 3 WEEKS. HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN "EVERYONE PLEASE STEP BACK FROM THE LEDGE"

“He will be Big East Coach of the Year and National Coach of the Year is within reach with a strong finish”.

“If you know basketball and love basketball, there will be failures and losses along the way. But as I've said all along, this is shaping up to be a very good program led by the right guy”

“The original question when Mullin was hired was will he be more like Drexler or Hoiberg. Things can always change--and nobody understands that better than St. John's fans--but I'm ready to confidently say he's more like Hoiberg.”

“So much to be excited for this year and years to come. Building a program brick by brick.”

“One thing I've noticed is how engaged and supportive the entire bench is. That's a result of the culture of the team created by CM and co. Job well done there.”

“Mullin clearly has the program going in the right direction and is building momentum”[/quote] send every one of those posters to the rookie forum till the next win. lol
 
[quote="ErickTheRed" post=318317]I’m in on Tom Penders as next coach, maybe with Bobby Cremins as lead asst and head recruiter[/quote]

Cremins is still alive? God bless him.
 
It's going to take a coach with a lot of confidence to take this position, whenever that happens.
5 coaches between Looie and Mullin. None of them are still head coaches.
1.Mahoney never coached another college game
2.Fran a few OK years at New Mexico State, and then to the broadcast booth.
3. Jarvis off to Florida Atlantic, stunk it up there, and out of coaching.
4.Roberts: back to being an assistant.
5. Lavin: Broadcast booth. Who knows if he will ever coach again.
2 coaches fired because of losing records. Three fired with winning records. For both Jarvis and Lavin, the lack of recruiting going forward did them in. Of course for Jarvis, it was more than that.

Any candidate will know the history, and may ask themselves if St. John's is the graveyard of coaches like Saratoga is the graveyard of favorites. I would stop worrying if the next hire will use their time here as a stepping stone. So far, the job has been more of boulder tied to the coach at the waist, followed by a shove into the lake.
 
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[quote="ron " post=318282][quote="Class of 72" post=318276][quote="ron " post=318230][quote="Class of 72" post=318203][quote="fordham96" post=318142]Look the best argument against a thread like this is it is premature and even with a collapse this year is still unlikely to happen.

But if the best argument you can come up with is that 'We can't keep doing this because the next coach could be just as bad or worse" you know you have run out of defensible arguments for the current staff.

But I honestly think the reality is much worse. I think the administration has boxed themselves and I don't see a way out at this point.[/quote]

THAT is the reality.
They hired their greatest player who never had an interest in coaching.
They hired a legend nobody wanted to criticize and certainly would not want to fire.
Now, if it doesn't work out, the only way out of that box is to hope he would gracefully resign.
If that's not being boxed in then I don't know what is.

This thread is both premature and unfair at this point. Unless the team implodes there is likely no discussion taking place at the university regarding firing Chris Mullin.[/quote]

Define implode.[/quote]

Unable to deal with the pressure and the team breaks down or falls apart from within : SELF-DESTRUCT. That would happen if another player leaves, if we lose most of the remaining games and fail to even make the NIT.
Then the AD and President may have a serious discussion.
Going .500 will not get him fired.
I have no doubt about it.[/quote]

I certainly think there is an excellent chance we finish under .500 in conference. I suspect we will get an NIT invite if for no other reason that we are a local team and will fill seats. Certainly expect at least one transfer out. Probably after the season is over.[/quote]

That’s not the way it works anymore. The NCAA owns the NIT now so they use the same criteria as the big tournament just the regular season conference winners who don’t win their conference tournaments from one-bid leagues and then its SOS, NET rankings etc. The days of us just being .500 or better to put us in the NIT in hopes we make the Garden are long gone.
 
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=318318][quote="ErickTheRed" post=318317]I’m in on Tom Penders as next coach, maybe with Bobby Cremins as lead asst and head recruiter[/quote]

Cremins is still alive? God bless him.[/quote]

Cremins will be one of the honoree's at this year's Lapchick Character Award luncheon
 
[quote="stjohnnie75" post=318318][quote="ErickTheRed" post=318317]I’m in on Tom Penders as next coach, maybe with Bobby Cremins as lead asst and head recruiter[/quote]

Cremins is still alive? God bless him.[/quote]

He's younger than Coach K.
 
No coaching list can be a real st johns list unless it includes Pat Kennedy

That being said this is all kind of a moot point because we have a coach
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=318290]Haven’t read the whole thread but I would bring Hoiberg in here and keep Matt A[/quote]
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If a vacancy occurs the I hope that StJohns considers Coach Norman Dale or someone that shares his philosophy as next head coach.l
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=318331]No coaching list can be a real st johns list unless it includes Pat Kennedy

That being said this is all kind of a moot point because we have a coach[/quote]

Ran into Pat recently, that’s him in the middle. Not sure about his current energy level;

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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=318331]No coaching list can be a real st johns list unless it includes Pat Kennedy[/quote]

Dennis Wolff
Paul Hewitt
 
[quote="L J S A" post=318337][quote="mjmaherjr" post=318331]No coaching list can be a real st johns list unless it includes Pat Kennedy[/quote]

Dennis Wolff
Paul Hewitt[/quote]

Has Bobby Gonzalez been mentioned? He was all the rage here before the Lavin hire, or was it longer ago than that? Of course he self destructed too.
 
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