Next Head Coach

[quote="we are sju" post=318221][quote="Class of 72" post=318220][quote="cappy105" post=318209]can we all agree that if we do not make the NCAAs Mullin MUST go! Arguably one of the best backcourts in college. Before you go blasting Heron and Simon, its the coach who can't get the best out of his players.[/quote]

This team will possibly go to the NIT. That will be viewed as "progress " by Marillac, WSJU, Beast and others since Mullin began with nothing. Of course that nothing began with the first group of transfers that did nothing because they were individual opportunists coming to get their minutes. That's usually the case with transfers that didn't want to work for their minutes at their original school.
Unhappy campers sometimes bring their me first attitude with them to their next destination unless they play for a coach that is a master at blending their talents. Unless this year is different, in our case the blending has been a recipe for disaster.
Of our five starters only one was recruited out of high school. There has been no indication that the staff has been influential with any high school players in over three years now. Precious may be their last hope in four years to show they can recruit out of high school. Femi had Hofstra in his final four. It would not surprise me if Curbelo does the same.

Personally I don't think Mullin is going out of his way any more when it comes to recruiting. Personally I don't think Mullin sees the job as a long term commitment. As he indicated nonchalantly in the post game interview he is not as concerned as others with the Gtown loss because he just gets in his car and drives away.
Come April he will fly away and make cameo appearances over the summer. No summer camp for kids or future recruits.
No hitting the local blacktops, summer circuits, etc.
Next Fall a completely hands off coach will have an entirely new cast of characters to blend in Steere, Caraher, Mack, Eli Wright, Valdir Manuel with Figueroa, Williams and Keita.
Not sure if Precious will be in that mix as well as Trimble, Robert's, Simon and Earlington.
If, Mullin has not blended long term transfers Simon, Clark with Heron, Ponds and Figueroa what confidence should we, as fans, have that he will do it with the players I referenced above?
Certainly not with St. Jean and Richmond best to him and certainly not just with Matt's transfers.[/quote]

If we don't make the tourney and they fire Mullin or he resigns I would totally understand and would support whoever the next coach is. For the final time, Mullin did deserve more of a benefit of the doubt than anyone else. Certainly as much as a guy who was 200 games under 500 at Queens college was given. My problem is those who started this year 2 and those bitching at 12-0 pretty much same group. Hey even if it turned out that you were right, why bitch at 12-0 and not just enjoy it while it lasted? Why ruin it for yourself and more importantly why ruin it for me.[/quote]

I wasn’t ruining it for myself. I understand college basketball and the at-large selection process so it was ruined for me before the season even started. At 12-0, it was already one of the least fun seasons I’ve been through. After each one of those wins I didn’t feel happiness, I felt relief. In each of the 12 wins there was zero upside and an extreme downside. The hope was to get to Big East play at a meaningless 12-0 and see what kind of team we really are. It turns out we are a team whose non-conference schedule left them unprepared to play a Big East schedule. And here we are
 
[quote="postell25" post=318223][quote="we are sju" post=318221][quote="Class of 72" post=318220][quote="cappy105" post=318209]can we all agree that if we do not make the NCAAs Mullin MUST go! Arguably one of the best backcourts in college. Before you go blasting Heron and Simon, its the coach who can't get the best out of his players.[/quote]

This team will possibly go to the NIT. That will be viewed as "progress " by Marillac, WSJU, Beast and others since Mullin began with nothing. Of course that nothing began with the first group of transfers that did nothing because they were individual opportunists coming to get their minutes. That's usually the case with transfers that didn't want to work for their minutes at their original school.
Unhappy campers sometimes bring their me first attitude with them to their next destination unless they play for a coach that is a master at blending their talents. Unless this year is different, in our case the blending has been a recipe for disaster.
Of our five starters only one was recruited out of high school. There has been no indication that the staff has been influential with any high school players in over three years now. Precious may be their last hope in four years to show they can recruit out of high school. Femi had Hofstra in his final four. It would not surprise me if Curbelo does the same.

Personally I don't think Mullin is going out of his way any more when it comes to recruiting. Personally I don't think Mullin sees the job as a long term commitment. As he indicated nonchalantly in the post game interview he is not as concerned as others with the Gtown loss because he just gets in his car and drives away.
Come April he will fly away and make cameo appearances over the summer. No summer camp for kids or future recruits.
No hitting the local blacktops, summer circuits, etc.
Next Fall a completely hands off coach will have an entirely new cast of characters to blend in Steere, Caraher, Mack, Eli Wright, Valdir Manuel with Figueroa, Williams and Keita.
Not sure if Precious will be in that mix as well as Trimble, Robert's, Simon and Earlington.
If, Mullin has not blended long term transfers Simon, Clark with Heron, Ponds and Figueroa what confidence should we, as fans, have that he will do it with the players I referenced above?
Certainly not with St. Jean and Richmond best to him and certainly not just with Matt's transfers.[/quote]

If we don't make the tourney and they fire Mullin or he resigns I would totally understand and would support whoever the next coach is. For the final time, Mullin did deserve more of a benefit of the doubt than anyone else. Certainly as much as a guy who was 200 games under 500 at Queens college was given. My problem is those who started this year 2 and those bitching at 12-0 pretty much same group. Hey even if it turned out that you were right, why bitch at 12-0 and not just enjoy it while it lasted? Why ruin it for yourself and more importantly why ruin it for me.[/quote]

I wasn’t ruining it for myself. I understand college basketball and the at-large selection process so it was ruined for me before the season even started. At 12-0, it was already one of the least fun seasons I’ve been through. After each one of those wins I didn’t feel happiness, I felt relief. In each of the 12 wins there was zero upside and an extreme downside. The hope was to get to Big East play at a meaningless 12-0 and see what kind of team we really are. It turns out we are a team whose non-conference schedule left them unprepared to play a Big East schedule. And here we are[/quote]

So if they finish strong and make the tourney you will be unhappy again I guess?
We need better fans!
 
You don't need Looie nostalgia. I brought this up the other day Fran's last year to Jarvis' first 2 years SJU went 39-13 : 13-5, 14-4 and 12-4. They played countless big time games at Garden and on the road against national powers Duke, Uconn, Ohio St, Syracuse etc over that stretch.

To me that is the standard. If you are saying that is no longer possible or it is a pipe dream, fine. But then you should have said that 10 years ago during Norm's time.

Also this staff is simply not getting any traction in moving the program in that direction. And it is not just the product on the floor. Negative recruiting against this staff is very high.
 
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Watch us keep Mullin, similar results continue and Boeheim retires. Oats is hired at Cuse and keeps them successful. Hurley has UConn in the top 25 after a few years in, Cuse has Oats, and we have...more drama.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=318225]You don't need Looie nostalgia. I brought this up the other day Fran's last year to Jarvis' first 2 years SJU went 39-12 : 13-5, 14-4 and 12-4. They played countless big time games at Garden and on the road against national powers Duke, Uconn, Ohio St, Syracuse etc over that stretch.

To me that is the standard. If you are saying that is no longer possible or it is a pipe dream, fine. But then you should have said that 10 years ago during Norm's time.

Also this staff has simply not getting any traction in moving the program in that direction. And it is not just the product on the floor. Negative recruiting against this staff is very high.[/quote]

Straw man argument ;)
Fran was always going to get fired and Jarvis was paying backup centers so that was eventually going to come out.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=318203][quote="fordham96" post=318142]Look the best argument against a thread like this is it is premature and even with a collapse this year is still unlikely to happen.

But if the best argument you can come up with is that 'We can't keep doing this because the next coach could be just as bad or worse" you know you have run out of defensible arguments for the current staff.

But I honestly think the reality is much worse. I think the administration has boxed themselves and I don't see a way out at this point.[/quote]

THAT is the reality.
They hired their greatest player who never had an interest in coaching.
They hired a legend nobody wanted to criticize and certainly would not want to fire.
Now, if it doesn't work out, the only way out of that box is to hope he would gracefully resign.
If that's not being boxed in then I don't know what is.

This thread is both premature and unfair at this point. Unless the team implodes there is likely no discussion taking place at the university regarding firing Chris Mullin.[/quote]

Define implode.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=318225]You don't need Looie nostalgia. I brought this up the other day Fran's last year to Jarvis' first 2 years SJU went 39-13 : 13-5, 14-4 and 12-4. They played countless big time games at Garden and on the road against national powers Duke, Uconn, Ohio St, Syracuse etc over that stretch.

To me that is the standard. If you are saying that is no longer possible or it is a pipe dream, fine. But then you should have said that 10 years ago during Norm's time.

Also this staff is simply not getting any traction in moving the program in that direction. And it is not just the product on the floor. Negative recruiting against this staff is very high.[/quote]

10 years ago, I did have my doubts that it could be turned around. That was the 16 team Big East, and it was pretty obvious that those 16 schools were not on a level playing field.

Now, our results should at least be on par with the Providences's and the Xavier's of the world (Villanova has taken it to a different level, to be fair).
 
[quote="we are sju" post=318224][quote="postell25" post=318223][quote="we are sju" post=318221][quote="Class of 72" post=318220][quote="cappy105" post=318209]can we all agree that if we do not make the NCAAs Mullin MUST go! Arguably one of the best backcourts in college. Before you go blasting Heron and Simon, its the coach who can't get the best out of his players.[/quote]

This team will possibly go to the NIT. That will be viewed as "progress " by Marillac, WSJU, Beast and others since Mullin began with nothing. Of course that nothing began with the first group of transfers that did nothing because they were individual opportunists coming to get their minutes. That's usually the case with transfers that didn't want to work for their minutes at their original school.
Unhappy campers sometimes bring their me first attitude with them to their next destination unless they play for a coach that is a master at blending their talents. Unless this year is different, in our case the blending has been a recipe for disaster.
Of our five starters only one was recruited out of high school. There has been no indication that the staff has been influential with any high school players in over three years now. Precious may be their last hope in four years to show they can recruit out of high school. Femi had Hofstra in his final four. It would not surprise me if Curbelo does the same.

Personally I don't think Mullin is going out of his way any more when it comes to recruiting. Personally I don't think Mullin sees the job as a long term commitment. As he indicated nonchalantly in the post game interview he is not as concerned as others with the Gtown loss because he just gets in his car and drives away.
Come April he will fly away and make cameo appearances over the summer. No summer camp for kids or future recruits.
No hitting the local blacktops, summer circuits, etc.
Next Fall a completely hands off coach will have an entirely new cast of characters to blend in Steere, Caraher, Mack, Eli Wright, Valdir Manuel with Figueroa, Williams and Keita.
Not sure if Precious will be in that mix as well as Trimble, Robert's, Simon and Earlington.
If, Mullin has not blended long term transfers Simon, Clark with Heron, Ponds and Figueroa what confidence should we, as fans, have that he will do it with the players I referenced above?
Certainly not with St. Jean and Richmond best to him and certainly not just with Matt's transfers.[/quote]

If we don't make the tourney and they fire Mullin or he resigns I would totally understand and would support whoever the next coach is. For the final time, Mullin did deserve more of a benefit of the doubt than anyone else. Certainly as much as a guy who was 200 games under 500 at Queens college was given. My problem is those who started this year 2 and those bitching at 12-0 pretty much same group. Hey even if it turned out that you were right, why bitch at 12-0 and not just enjoy it while it lasted? Why ruin it for yourself and more importantly why ruin it for me.[/quote]

I wasn’t ruining it for myself. I understand college basketball and the at-large selection process so it was ruined for me before the season even started. At 12-0, it was already one of the least fun seasons I’ve been through. After each one of those wins I didn’t feel happiness, I felt relief. In each of the 12 wins there was zero upside and an extreme downside. The hope was to get to Big East play at a meaningless 12-0 and see what kind of team we really are. It turns out we are a team whose non-conference schedule left them unprepared to play a Big East schedule. And here we are[/quote]

So if they finish strong and make the tourney you will be unhappy again I guess?
We need better fans![/quote]

I’ll happily be wrong. It won’t be the first time. I’m going to watch every minute of every game the rest of the way rooting for them to win them all. I guess it’s because I believe in miracles.
 
[quote="postell25" post=318233][quote="we are sju" post=318224][quote="postell25" post=318223][quote="we are sju" post=318221][quote="Class of 72" post=318220][quote="cappy105" post=318209]can we all agree that if we do not make the NCAAs Mullin MUST go! Arguably one of the best backcourts in college. Before you go blasting Heron and Simon, its the coach who can't get the best out of his players.[/quote]

This team will possibly go to the NIT. That will be viewed as "progress " by Marillac, WSJU, Beast and others since Mullin began with nothing. Of course that nothing began with the first group of transfers that did nothing because they were individual opportunists coming to get their minutes. That's usually the case with transfers that didn't want to work for their minutes at their original school.
Unhappy campers sometimes bring their me first attitude with them to their next destination unless they play for a coach that is a master at blending their talents. Unless this year is different, in our case the blending has been a recipe for disaster.
Of our five starters only one was recruited out of high school. There has been no indication that the staff has been influential with any high school players in over three years now. Precious may be their last hope in four years to show they can recruit out of high school. Femi had Hofstra in his final four. It would not surprise me if Curbelo does the same.

Personally I don't think Mullin is going out of his way any more when it comes to recruiting. Personally I don't think Mullin sees the job as a long term commitment. As he indicated nonchalantly in the post game interview he is not as concerned as others with the Gtown loss because he just gets in his car and drives away.
Come April he will fly away and make cameo appearances over the summer. No summer camp for kids or future recruits.
No hitting the local blacktops, summer circuits, etc.
Next Fall a completely hands off coach will have an entirely new cast of characters to blend in Steere, Caraher, Mack, Eli Wright, Valdir Manuel with Figueroa, Williams and Keita.
Not sure if Precious will be in that mix as well as Trimble, Robert's, Simon and Earlington.
If, Mullin has not blended long term transfers Simon, Clark with Heron, Ponds and Figueroa what confidence should we, as fans, have that he will do it with the players I referenced above?
Certainly not with St. Jean and Richmond best to him and certainly not just with Matt's transfers.[/quote]

If we don't make the tourney and they fire Mullin or he resigns I would totally understand and would support whoever the next coach is. For the final time, Mullin did deserve more of a benefit of the doubt than anyone else. Certainly as much as a guy who was 200 games under 500 at Queens college was given. My problem is those who started this year 2 and those bitching at 12-0 pretty much same group. Hey even if it turned out that you were right, why bitch at 12-0 and not just enjoy it while it lasted? Why ruin it for yourself and more importantly why ruin it for me.[/quote]

I wasn’t ruining it for myself. I understand college basketball and the at-large selection process so it was ruined for me before the season even started. At 12-0, it was already one of the least fun seasons I’ve been through. After each one of those wins I didn’t feel happiness, I felt relief. In each of the 12 wins there was zero upside and an extreme downside. The hope was to get to Big East play at a meaningless 12-0 and see what kind of team we really are. It turns out we are a team whose non-conference schedule left them unprepared to play a Big East schedule. And here we are[/quote]

So if they finish strong and make the tourney you will be unhappy again I guess?
We need better fans![/quote]

I’ll happily be wrong. It won’t be the first time. I’m going to watch every minute of every game the rest of the way rooting for them to win them all. I guess it’s because I believe in miracles.[/quote]

That is fair I guess. But surely you agree that Zaun er some on here are rooting for us to not make tourney so that they can say they were right, hope Mullin gets fired and they can hate on next coach.
 
[quote="SJU11Redmen" post=318199]Oats is the obvious top choice but as others have mentioned, I don't think we are a school he would consider.
Some possible names with local/program ties:
John Becker from Vermont
Jon Scheyer from Duke
Joe Mihalic from Hofstra (might be a little older than they're looking for)
James Jones at Yale[/quote]

Where is Moose with his revolving door photo? If that is the best we can come up with then we are fu€ked!
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318222]I know some will say "who cares what Yukon fans think?", but I think it's interesting seeing what outsiders see with us. On their board:

"Mullin doesn’t even run his own team. He was gifted Heron to pair with Ponds and he still can’t win. Bizarre situation down there in NYC."

Have to agree...Ponds and Heron together was supposed to be as good as any duo in the nation. They were also jealous of the MSG crowd. Remember, we got 12k last year when SJ and G'Town were both terrible. This year we were barely slotted for the tournament coming in and we get 18k. We have a fanbase that is absolutely starving for a winner. Just imagine if we are ever ranked all year and start making the tourney regularly. You'd have Johnny fever in the NYC area. Like Tierney said, we had the spotlight for a while this season after the hot start. Lots of people coming up to me saying they were going to a game or saw them on TV who normally don't follow closely. It's just sad that we bring 18k out and get sent home frustrated on a work night with Monday looming. We know the fanbase is there. That was never the problem this year.[/quote]

You are right I don’t care what they think.
 
I would have to disagree with calls for GSJ as coach. He's basically the coach now and he hasn't been effective. Look at BE play- if you went by Vegas odds we should've beat Marquette, Georgetown 2X, DePaul, and Creighton. Vegas says we should be 5-3 right now. Vegas said last year we should've been far better than 4-14. Keep in mind, this is going by Vegas lines right before the games, which factor in injuries to Ponds and LoVett.

What does it mean? It means we have either a bad coach OR his message just isn't connecting with the team like it should be. Maybe it's because he's only a few years older than the rest of the team, unproven, and never played D1 ball, so he's not as respected and his message/enthusiasm just isn't translating. I don't know. I just know he's been running the team since year 1 and we have never met expectations. That's a very clear pattern.

I did like his enthusiasm in the huddle yesterday, but you are what your record is. Further, GSJ has not been recruiting and has yet to prove he can be effective. He also created our extremely mediocre OOC schedule this year (which fortunately was salvaged with our 12-0 start).

He has potential and should get another shot as a low major D1 HC, or an AC somewhere, but making him HC here after 4 mediocre years would be a huge mistake.
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=318225]You don't need Looie nostalgia. I brought this up the other day Fran's last year to Jarvis' first 2 years SJU went 39-13 : 13-5, 14-4 and 12-4. They played countless big time games at Garden and on the road against national powers Duke, Uconn, Ohio St, Syracuse etc over that stretch.

To me that is the standard. If you are saying that is no longer possible or it is a pipe dream, fine. But then you should have said that 10 years ago during Norm's time.

Also this staff is simply not getting any traction in moving the program in that direction. And it is not just the product on the floor. Negative recruiting against this staff is very high.[/quote]

To me, it is no longer possible and it is a pipe dream. To me, this season was now or never. Win big this year and create some momentum for our future. But another losing year, and we've just continued to spiral so far away from relevancy. I repeat this often, but it's been 20 years since we've won an NCAA tournament game.

St. John's is not a destination for coaches or players like it was in the 80's or 90's. Some of the coaches mentioned in this thread would laugh at leaving their current school to coach at St. John's because it must look like a dead end job at this point.

Bringing in a another new coach next year will likely require another rebuilding job, and that just pushes us out another few years from when we were last relevant. Although I have a lot of faith with Cragg at the helm, I'm just not confident at all about the future of this program, no matter who is coaching it.

I'm not even sure people on this board can fathom what it means to compete against the blue bloods for recruits. St. John's is so far behind in every facet, from on campus arena, to subpar on campus facilities, to even social media presence!

I'm typically one of the more levelheaded and optimistic people on this board, but have to face reality.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=318119]Every time I've discussed Mullin with the people that I know that have bearing on a decision on the coach I have been told Mullin is not in any danger at all. None. Also, the AD has a voice but does not have the authority to fire the coach. By the way, that is not a SJU thing, at basically all power conference schools football or basketball coaches may report to an AD on a day-to-day basis but hiring and firing decisions run through the school president and BOT.

I think the best one can hope for is some staff changes, and in that regard I have hope Cragg can be helpful. It might not be the solution people crave but I suspect some staff changes would improve things and personally I'll take it.[/quote]

If we don't make the ncaa tourny this year, what makes think we'll get changes to the staff? We wanted that the last 2-3yrs but it never happened. Maybe Cragg will force it.
If no ncaa tourny, and no staff changes in the off-season, then I won't watch next year, cause i won't give a crap anymore. Mullin every year does it his way, and isn't held accountable.
How can you not be sick of it?
 
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[quote="ron " post=318230][quote="Class of 72" post=318203][quote="fordham96" post=318142]Look the best argument against a thread like this is it is premature and even with a collapse this year is still unlikely to happen.

But if the best argument you can come up with is that 'We can't keep doing this because the next coach could be just as bad or worse" you know you have run out of defensible arguments for the current staff.

But I honestly think the reality is much worse. I think the administration has boxed themselves and I don't see a way out at this point.[/quote]

THAT is the reality.
They hired their greatest player who never had an interest in coaching.
They hired a legend nobody wanted to criticize and certainly would not want to fire.
Now, if it doesn't work out, the only way out of that box is to hope he would gracefully resign.
If that's not being boxed in then I don't know what is.

This thread is both premature and unfair at this point. Unless the team implodes there is likely no discussion taking place at the university regarding firing Chris Mullin.[/quote]

Define implode.[/quote]

Unable to deal with the pressure and the team breaks down or falls apart from within : SELF-DESTRUCT. That would happen if another player leaves, if we lose most of the remaining games and fail to even make the NIT.
Then the AD and President may have a serious discussion.
Going .500 will not get him fired.
I have no doubt about it.
 
we are sju:

If you seriously think I'd rather be right than having Mullin and SJ succeed then you need to get to know me in person. You don't see what's behind the scenes. My friend and I have literally met with administration about how to get more fans to games, did research on other schools and what works, contacted other student sections, took polls, tried raising the social media profile on Twitter and uniting the fanbase, created a website, a new forum, tons of giveaways, researched bars for pregame meetups and we are spending our own money for everything asking for nothing. We went to Party City's all over LI spending hundreds on red wigs just to give out to students for the Nebraska game last year and get them going. Essentially, we've been doing a part-time job for free even though we both have full-time careers. I've driven from central Suffolk to Queens after work just to meet with people at the school and try to help.

Sorry for the rant, but my friend and I have spent so much of our own money, time, and effort doing everything we can to try and support this program. We are not billionaires like Repole. I want to see this program take off more than anyone. I hope to see a lot of you at our pregame meetup at LocalNYC before the Nova game. We got them to offer $3 beers including craft and we are paying for the wings. Hope I can have a beer with some of you, god knows we need it.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=318276][quote="ron " post=318230][quote="Class of 72" post=318203][quote="fordham96" post=318142]Look the best argument against a thread like this is it is premature and even with a collapse this year is still unlikely to happen.

But if the best argument you can come up with is that 'We can't keep doing this because the next coach could be just as bad or worse" you know you have run out of defensible arguments for the current staff.

But I honestly think the reality is much worse. I think the administration has boxed themselves and I don't see a way out at this point.[/quote]

THAT is the reality.
They hired their greatest player who never had an interest in coaching.
They hired a legend nobody wanted to criticize and certainly would not want to fire.
Now, if it doesn't work out, the only way out of that box is to hope he would gracefully resign.
If that's not being boxed in then I don't know what is.

This thread is both premature and unfair at this point. Unless the team implodes there is likely no discussion taking place at the university regarding firing Chris Mullin.[/quote]

Define implode.[/quote]

Unable to deal with the pressure and the team breaks down or falls apart from within : SELF-DESTRUCT. That would happen if another player leaves, if we lose most of the remaining games and fail to even make the NIT.
Then the AD and President may have a serious discussion.
Going .500 will not get him fired.
I have no doubt about it.[/quote]

I certainly think there is an excellent chance we finish under .500 in conference. I suspect we will get an NIT invite if for no other reason that we are a local team and will fill seats. Certainly expect at least one transfer out. Probably after the season is over.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=318265][quote="IDRAFT" post=318119]Every time I've discussed Mullin with the people that I know that have bearing on a decision on the coach I have been told Mullin is not in any danger at all. None. Also, the AD has a voice but does not have the authority to fire the coach. By the way, that is not a SJU thing, at basically all power conference schools football or basketball coaches may report to an AD on a day-to-day basis but hiring and firing decisions run through the school president and BOT.

I think the best one can hope for is some staff changes, and in that regard I have hope Cragg can be helpful. It might not be the solution people crave but I suspect some staff changes would improve things and personally I'll take it.[/quote]

If we don't make the ncaa tourny this year, what makes think we'll get changes to the staff? We wanted that the last 2-3yrs but it never happened. Maybe Cragg will force it.
If no ncaa tourny, and no staff changes in the off-season, then I won't watch next year, cause i won't give a crap anymore. Mullin every year does it his way, and isn't held accountable.
How can you not be sick of it?[/quote]

I rather they never lose but at the end of the day it’s just a form of entertainment. I haven’t found these years worthless at all, other than year one. And I agree 100 percent with you, if it isn’t doing anything for you just check out on it. I’ve said this many times, I gave up my tickets and basically didn’t follow the program during the Norm years. To me that’s what I find weird around here, all the gnashing of teeth. Nobody is forcing anyone to go to the games or watch them on TV.
 
[quote="ron " post=318282][quote="Class of 72" post=318276][quote="ron " post=318230][quote="Class of 72" post=318203][quote="fordham96" post=318142]Look the best argument against a thread like this is it is premature and even with a collapse this year is still unlikely to happen.

But if the best argument you can come up with is that 'We can't keep doing this because the next coach could be just as bad or worse" you know you have run out of defensible arguments for the current staff.

But I honestly think the reality is much worse. I think the administration has boxed themselves and I don't see a way out at this point.[/quote]

THAT is the reality.
They hired their greatest player who never had an interest in coaching.
They hired a legend nobody wanted to criticize and certainly would not want to fire.
Now, if it doesn't work out, the only way out of that box is to hope he would gracefully resign.
If that's not being boxed in then I don't know what is.

This thread is both premature and unfair at this point. Unless the team implodes there is likely no discussion taking place at the university regarding firing Chris Mullin.[/quote]

Define implode.[/quote]

Unable to deal with the pressure and the team breaks down or falls apart from within : SELF-DESTRUCT. That would happen if another player leaves, if we lose most of the remaining games and fail to even make the NIT.
Then the AD and President may have a serious discussion.
Going .500 will not get him fired.
I have no doubt about it.[/quote]

I certainly think there is an excellent chance we finish under .500 in conference. I suspect we will get an NIT invite if for no other reason that we are a local team and will fill seats. Certainly expect at least one transfer out. Probably after the season is over.[/quote]
Like the 10 person “crowd” at CA for NIT home opener debacle loss to Robert Morris in Lav days. :)
 
IT'S FUNNY HOW THIS BOARD HAS MOOD SWINGS....LOOK AT SOME OF THE MANY QUOTES WITHIN THE LAST 3 WEEKS. HOW THE MIGHTY HAVE FALLEN "EVERYONE PLEASE STEP BACK FROM THE LEDGE"

“He will be Big East Coach of the Year and National Coach of the Year is within reach with a strong finish”.

“If you know basketball and love basketball, there will be failures and losses along the way. But as I've said all along, this is shaping up to be a very good program led by the right guy”

“The original question when Mullin was hired was will he be more like Drexler or Hoiberg. Things can always change--and nobody understands that better than St. John's fans--but I'm ready to confidently say he's more like Hoiberg.”

“So much to be excited for this year and years to come. Building a program brick by brick.”

“One thing I've noticed is how engaged and supportive the entire bench is. That's a result of the culture of the team created by CM and co. Job well done there.”

“Mullin clearly has the program going in the right direction and is building momentum”
 
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