Next Head Coach

[quote="Class of 72" post=318085][quote="L J S A" post=318082][quote="we are sju" post=318011]
Again Mullin has some obvious faults. But I love people saying Mullin can't recruit but Matt is great?????[/quote]

He doesn't call recruits, he doesn't show up to campus visits, he doesn't go out to live period tournaments. I know you love Mullin, but come on. At least Matt tries to recruit.[/quote]

Mullin can't even tweet. He is a computer illiterate. These kids live in a different galaxy in terms of communication.[/quote]

I've been saying this for years lol. Every other BE coach has a Twitter. Takes 5 minutes to create one and start Tweeting, even his wife does. Ridiculous that Chris doesn't. Having an online presence should be part of the job description.
 
[quote="Adam" post=318078][quote="Knight" post=318069]What's the story with Mark Jackson?[/quote]

Based on Wiki doesn't seem like much since he was fired by the Warriors in 2014... and he's living in Brooklyn.

Edit: but yeah a lot of skeleton apparently[/quote]

Mark doesn't have the temperament to coach college kids. Wife cheating divorced street corner born again preacher....no skeletons. They are all in the open window to just another narcissistic ex athlete. He is a character for sure but I'm tired of characters instead of coaches.
 
i can't think of any up and coming coaches that would thrive in this area, but some guys that would absolutely kill recruiting in this area are Billy Donovan and the Hurley brothers. It would be very very difficult to get any of those guys although SJU looks like a better job now than UConn
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=318074][quote="Knight" post=318069]What's the story with Mark Jackson?[/quote]

He's former great Johnny with no college coaching experience.[/quote]
hes "coached" before but college is a different monster.
 
Give St Jean a shot. He is the only one on the bench that cares. No big name coach and no up and coming coach is coming to STJ. Last decade + does not make it a desired job. St Jean is here. He has passion a desire to win and will be an up and comer if given s shot. Don't let him slip away. Nothing else has worked.
 
It's a lot easier to root for people who give their all and fail vs. giving bare minimum and failing IMO. We need a staff that is hellbent on turning us around. I want them to eat, sleep, and breathe SJ hoops. I want them to actually be in the gyms all over the area. I want them looking nationally. I respect Mullin as a legend but he clearly is not giving his all and it's showing. Mitch is occupying a real coaching position and collecting a fat paycheck while snickering or covering his eyes on the sideline. We have some coaches just leaving for months at a time. This is a full time job. I trust Cragg to make necessary changes. We need a legit coach with experience who has a track record for development and game strategy...one who has a real system and can identify talent that fits it. Then we need a solid recruiter.
 
[quote="Redzone" post=318111]Give St Jean a shot. He is the only one on the bench that cares. No big name coach and no up and coming coach is coming to STJ. Last decade + does not make it a desired job. St Jean is here. He has passion a desire to win and will be an up and comer if given s shot. Don't let him slip away. Nothing else has worked.[/quote]

Sorry I disagree. He may have upside. However, from what I have observed and read he is essentially coaching the team now. Watching the games you can see he is the one calling the plays. While I have no first hand knowledge of this, I've seen reports that he runs the majority of the practices. Also, he certainly has not figured into successfully recruiting anyone. I have no problem with him staying on as an assistant, but not head coach at this time.
 
I am not advocating replacing Mullin at this point, and I firmly believe that Chris won't allow this to become an issue, if the season continues to play out poorly. But, hypothetically, I don't want a big name coach. I don't want an unproven guy like St. Jean either. Greg could be part of a staff and continue to learn, if the new coach thought that he brings something to the table.

If a coaching change is in the offing, I want a guy that is a proven Xs and Os guy that has a system and can attract guys to play in the system. I want someone who knows how to coach guys up and can install a defensive scheme. Someone who has been successful at the mid-major level looking to move up.

I want the next coach to be someone who is hungry and loves to teach and coach basketball. There are guys like this around. We've passed on them before. The next generation of the Hurleys of the world.
 
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Every time I've discussed Mullin with the people that I know that have bearing on a decision on the coach I have been told Mullin is not in any danger at all. None. Also, the AD has a voice but does not have the authority to fire the coach. By the way, that is not a SJU thing, at basically all power conference schools football or basketball coaches may report to an AD on a day-to-day basis but hiring and firing decisions run through the school president and BOT.

I think the best one can hope for is some staff changes, and in that regard I have hope Cragg can be helpful. It might not be the solution people crave but I suspect some staff changes would improve things and personally I'll take it.
 
We all have our impressions, hopes & wishes, but at end of the day/season all that counts is what Cragg & Administration feels should be done. I feel for the players who came here to be part of something special and get to the “Dance”. Rooting for them to achieve that, but opportunity is obviously narrowing. Tough to swallow, but it is what it is.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=318119]Every time I've discussed Mullin with the people that I know that have bearing on a decision on the coach I have been told Mullin is not in any danger at all. None. Also, the AD has a voice but does not have the authority to fire the coach. By the way, that is not a SJU thing, at basically all power conference schools football or basketball coaches may report to an AD on a day-to-day basis but hiring and firing decisions run through the school president and BOT.

I think the best one can hope for is some staff changes, and in that regard I have hope Cragg can be helpful. It might not be the solution people crave but I suspect some staff changes would improve things and personally I'll take it.[/quote]

I personally don't see Mullin making any staff changes unless perhaps louie asks him to. it should have been done last summer but we will see how the season plays out.
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=318119]Every time I've discussed Mullin with the people that I know that have bearing on a decision on the coach I have been told Mullin is not in any danger at all. None. Also, the AD has a voice but does not have the authority to fire the coach. By the way, that is not a SJU thing, at basically all power conference schools football or basketball coaches may report to an AD on a day-to-day basis but hiring and firing decisions run through the school president and BOT.

I think the best one can hope for is some staff changes, and in that regard I have hope Cragg can be helpful. It might not be the solution people crave but I suspect some staff changes would improve things and personally I'll take it.[/quote]

How? We were told that Cragg has legitimate authority when he was hired. And if Mullin isn't in danger of losing his job at this point, our program is in danger of losing the fanbase once again and seeing a huge decrease in season tickets. We just had 18,000 mostly SJ fans at the Garden yesterday. We are constantly brow beaten and told the fans don't come out. This year our fans have been fantastic compared to the results on the court. Us fans have done our job...if the program isn't doing theirs, expect people to stay home. The bare minimum this offseason should be Cragg forcing Mullin to ditch the Mitch and get a real veteran assistant coach with lots of experience. If he says no, kindly ask him to resign. Anything less than that is complete incompetence.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318123][quote="IDRAFT" post=318119]Every time I've discussed Mullin with the people that I know that have bearing on a decision on the coach I have been told Mullin is not in any danger at all. None. Also, the AD has a voice but does not have the authority to fire the coach. By the way, that is not a SJU thing, at basically all power conference schools football or basketball coaches may report to an AD on a day-to-day basis but hiring and firing decisions run through the school president and BOT.

I think the best one can hope for is some staff changes, and in that regard I have hope Cragg can be helpful. It might not be the solution people crave but I suspect some staff changes would improve things and personally I'll take it.[/quote]

How? We were told that Cragg has legitimate authority when he was hired. And if Mullin isn't in danger of losing his job at this point, our program is in danger of losing the fanbase once again and seeing a huge decrease in season tickets. We just had 18,000 mostly SJ fans at the Garden yesterday. We are constantly brow beaten and told the fans don't come out. This year our fans have been fantastic compared to the results on the court. Us fans have done our job...if the program isn't doing theirs, expect people to stay home. The bare minimum this offseason should be Cragg forcing Mullin to ditch the Mitch and get a real veteran assistant coach with lots of experience. If he says no, kindly ask him to resign. Anything less than that is complete incompetence.[/quote]

Legitimate authority is one thing, total autonomy is something else. Look, believe what you want and freak out all you want too, it is your right as a fan. And yes, I agree, if the team does poorly fans will stay home. And this is not my opinion on what I would do if I owned the University, I'm just passing along information. Feel free to dismiss it, maybe I will be wrong.

I just can't get all worked up about who the next coach will be when the team has a coach and I have no reason to think a coaching change is being considered.
 
Why stop at the next coach? Who do you guys want when that guy is fired in 4 years? That will be more important...just a little more so than the guy that gets hired after he's canned in 3-4 years. We'll be the youngest team in the country by 2027, but we should be a bubble team soon after right around the time that coach will be on the hot seat.

We made a Final Four in 1985...tournament berths alone equal pink slips. Mediocrity will not be tolerated...as a result we will force ourselves into a perpetual state of inferiority.

We are...the Pink Storm!!!!
 
[quote="Marillac" post=318127]Why stop at the next coach? Who do you guys want when that guy is fired in 4 years? That will be more important...just a little more so than the guy that gets hired after he's canned in 3-4 years. We'll be the youngest team in the country by 2027, but we should be a bubble team soon after right around the time that coach will be on the hot seat.

We made a Final Four in 1985...tournament berths alone equal pink slips. Mediocrity will not be tolerated...as a result we will force ourselves into a perpetual state of inferiority.

We are...the Pink Storm!!!![/quote]

So we shouldn't get rid of coaches who stink just because...we want continuity? Sounds like the girl who stays in a toxic relationship just because she settles and finds an odd comfort in it. I'd suggest getting rid of the toxic situation and moving on rather than perpetuating it. Continuity for continuity sake makes no sense. You should only want continuity if it's working.

By the way I looked up Dixon's salary and he's making 3.2 million. Would we really be able to do that? Highly doubt it but maybe I'm wrong. This is why I don't think we can lure a F5 coach. They routinely pay much more than we do.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318130][quote="Marillac" post=318127]Why stop at the next coach? Who do you guys want when that guy is fired in 4 years? That will be more important...just a little more so than the guy that gets hired after he's canned in 3-4 years. We'll be the youngest team in the country by 2027, but we should be a bubble team soon after right around the time that coach will be on the hot seat.

We made a Final Four in 1985...tournament berths alone equal pink slips. Mediocrity will not be tolerated...as a result we will force ourselves into a perpetual state of inferiority.

We are...the Pink Storm!!!![/quote]

So we shouldn't get rid of coaches who stink just because...we want continuity? Sounds like the girl who stays in a toxic relationship just because she settles and finds an odd comfort in it. I'd suggest getting rid of the toxic situation and moving on rather than perpetuating it. Continuity for continuity sake makes no sense. You should only want continuity if it's working.

By the way I looked up Dixon's salary and he's making 3.2 million. Would we really be able to do that? Highly doubt it but maybe I'm wrong. This is why I don't think we can lure a F5 coach. They routinely pay much more than we do.[/quote]

Correct. So the stupid argument of the day is now you don't make coaching changes because the next coach may not work out either.

Look I don't think Coach is getting fired anyway but this argument is so ridiculous it stretches the bounds.

BTW-Norm Roberts called, he wants his 2010-11 season back...
 
While I hesitate to engage in the absurd mob frenzy that manifests itself every four years as reliably as the goddamn Olympics, I think any discussion of unproven up-and-comers like Oates is absurd.

Oates himself has said that he was just lucky to add a player like Massinhurg--who is a superior talent to anyone else in the MAC. For a Big East school to have someone THAT much better than the average conference starter they would need a current NBA player like Luka Doncic.

If Mullin leaves (he won't be fired) and you can't get a Hurley, the discussion begins and ends with Howland, Pearl, and Musselman.

The better option, IMO would be having Mullin add a veteran like Jim Calhoun and moving Mitch back to an advisory position.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=318060]On paper when was our starting 5 this good. The problem isn't Matt. 1 guy cant do it all[/quote]

Mullin can't recruit I keep hearing. Matt is his top recruiter. Therefore Matt can't recruit.
Let's be fair here.
 
[quote="cappy105" post=318108]man i think fran was a great coach...what could of been[/quote]

Players hated him. Straight from one of the horses mouth.
 
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