Next Head Coach

[quote="we are sju" post=317923][quote="MJDinkins" post=317922][quote="we are sju" post=317920][quote="MJDinkins" post=317916][quote="SJU61982" post=317913]If a new coach comes in, he has to be able to win right away, like in year 1. That's why, the more I think about it, if a change is made, an older guy like Cluess or Mihalic might not be the worst thing in the world.[/quote]

Hell no to Cluess![/quote]

Who then?[/quote]

There's a lot of other viable candidates. There could some that I'm not exactly aware of who are more viable options.[/quote]

I am not saying if things don't turn we don't need a new coach. What I am saying is tired of doing it every 5 years. ST John's does not exactly get to pick from the cream of the crop.[/quote]

It doesn't matter whether they get to pick from the "cream of the crop." That's a cop out. You do it till you get it right as I stated earlier.

This team could very well be without Ponds, Heron, Simon and Clark (who is a senior) next season. IMO, next year's team has 9th or 10th (last) place written all over it. Adam recently posted a question.... Do you want this team starting over with a new coach or what's already at the helm? Easy answer for me after what I've witnessed to date. Maybe, my answer is different in another month. Right now, it's easily the former.
 
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Why would Nate Oats roll his eyes at us? This is a way better job than Buffalo. Who else that much more high profile than us is looking for a coach? Not challenging as much as genuinely asking, because I don't know.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=317932]Why would Nate Oats roll his eyes at us? This is a way better job than Buffalo. Who else that much more high profile than us is looking for a coach? Not challenging as much as genuinely asking, because I don't know.[/quote]

I love when "fans" who complain about everything think ST John's is a better spot then somewhere else.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=317930][quote="we are sju" post=317923][quote="MJDinkins" post=317922][quote="we are sju" post=317920][quote="MJDinkins" post=317916][quote="SJU61982" post=317913]If a new coach comes in, he has to be able to win right away, like in year 1. That's why, the more I think about it, if a change is made, an older guy like Cluess or Mihalic might not be the worst thing in the world.[/quote]

Hell no to Cluess![/quote]

Who then?[/quote]

There's a lot of other viable candidates. There could some that I'm not exactly aware of who are more viable options.[/quote]

I am not saying if things don't turn we don't need a new coach. What I am saying is tired of doing it every 5 years. ST John's does not exactly get to pick from the cream of the crop.[/quote]

It doesn't matter whether they get to pick from the "cream of the crop." That's a cop out. You do it till you get it right as I stated earlier.

This team could very well be without Ponds, Heron, Simon and Clark (who is a senior) next season. IMO, next year's team has 9th or 10th (last) place written all over it. Adam recently posted a question.... Do you want this team starting over with a new coach or what's already at the helm? Easy answer for me after what I've witnessed to date. Maybe, my answer is different in another month. Right now, it's easily the former.[/quote]

That is a copout? Again throw a candidate at me that most can get behind. Easy part firing a guy. ST John's is great at it. It is the next part where problems comes in.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=317932]Why would Nate Oats roll his eyes at us? This is a way better job than Buffalo. Who else that much more high profile than us is looking for a coach? Not challenging as much as genuinely asking, because I don't know.[/quote]

Well, to answer your second question, UCLA for starters, and there's always about 4 or so that open up after every season.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=317937][quote="MJDinkins" post=317930][quote="we are sju" post=317923][quote="MJDinkins" post=317922][quote="we are sju" post=317920][quote="MJDinkins" post=317916][quote="SJU61982" post=317913]If a new coach comes in, he has to be able to win right away, like in year 1. That's why, the more I think about it, if a change is made, an older guy like Cluess or Mihalic might not be the worst thing in the world.[/quote]

Hell no to Cluess![/quote]

Who then?[/quote]

There's a lot of other viable candidates. There could some that I'm not exactly aware of who are more viable options.[/quote]

I am not saying if things don't turn we don't need a new coach. What I am saying is tired of doing it every 5 years. ST John's does not exactly get to pick from the cream of the crop.[/quote]

It doesn't matter whether they get to pick from the "cream of the crop." That's a cop out. You do it till you get it right as I stated earlier.

This team could very well be without Ponds, Heron, Simon and Clark (who is a senior) next season. IMO, next year's team has 9th or 10th (last) place written all over it. Adam recently posted a question.... Do you want this team starting over with a new coach or what's already at the helm? Easy answer for me after what I've witnessed to date. Maybe, my answer is different in another month. Right now, it's easily the former.[/quote]

That is a copout? Again throw a candidate at me that most can get behind. Easy part firing a guy. ST John's is great at it. It is the next part where problems comes in.[/quote]

I don't have to throw any candidate at you. That's irrelevant. They may screw up the next hire, but I'd rather take my chances based on what I've been witnessing.
 
MJ
If we don't make tourney he has to and will most likely go, But that does not solve the bigger problem. Why do you think our last two hires were from TV and 1985?
 
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[quote="ErickTheRed" post=317866]Wish list?[/quote]
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Unfortunately making lists for potential hires for head men's basketball coach has become all too frequent for St. John's fans.

Although i am not advocating for a change at this point (still hoping for a mariculous end to the season) I will start the list of candidates which AD Cregg should consider making contact with through agent (in no particular order) to gauge interest:

* Chris Collins (N'western University)
* Chris Carrawell (Assistant @ Duke)
* Kevin Keats (UNC Wilmington)
* Bobby Hurley (ASU)
* Mark Schmidt (JPM University)
* Fred Holberg (unemployed)
* Eric Musselman (Nevada)
* Chris Beard (Texas Tech)
* Jamie Dixon (TCU)
* Mick Cronin (Cincy)
* Travis DeCuire (Montana)

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Before anyone mentions Billy Donovan as a candidate it should be noted that in December 2018 the Oklahoma City Thunder have picked up the option on his contract for the 2019-20 season, the final year of his original five-year deal.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=317912][quote="bamafan" post=317907][quote="Adam" post=317872]Thread came a few hours later than I expected lol.

Nate Oates would obviously be the best choice, though he seems unlikely.

For now hoping we can still turn things around... but not very optimistic.[/quote]
Not advocating for a coaching change one way or the other but just curious about Nate Oates. I know he has coached Buffalo the past 2 seasons after taking over for Bobby Hurley and is having a great season but he has like 5 seniors doing the heavy lifting so who knows if he can recruit or attract (with good recruiting assistants) good recruits. I'm sure he will look to bolt this year if he harbors higher aspirations than coaching at Buffalo because it is highly doubtful he will have the level of success next year that he has had this year. Obviously not a sure thing in my opinion. Think best option at this point would be to convince CM he needs to revamp his staff. We do have some fairly nice players in the pipeline. Hopefully this is our new AD's opinion and he can accomplish this task.[/quote]
Getting way ahead of myself, but conjecture gut says if no NCAA Tourney, Cragg will push Chis to alter staff & it if it happens, will be interesting to see how he responds. Just my sense after a glass of wine at my favorite Cuban restaurant. :)

Here’s to surprising us all & beating Creighton and getting back in the heat of things.[/quote]

I'd like to think that getting a new assistant or two (something that should've been done last year) would be the bare minimum.

Just my personal take, I'd hope Mullin would step aside. In terms of public perception, HC is of course far more important than ACs. I can name all 9 other BE head coaches, but am struggling to name any ACs. Incoming/future recruits need to rely on their HC, and who could rely on Mullin after this year if we don't make it? I'm not accusing you of this Paultz (as you didn't imply the following in your post), but I feel like hiring a new AC would be a cop out and ignoring the real problem. In sports, people very rarely blame a team's problems on an assistant rather than the head coach.

As for Oats, I do expect him to leave Buffalo after this year. I also expect a team with a higher profile than ours to offer him. Not really sure who else would be available/desirable.
 
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IMO Oats coming here first rather than jumping to a UCLA would make much more sense. To go from Buffalo with only a little experience right to them? UCLA fans will protest you if you don't make Sweet 16's. Our fanbase will build a statue for you if you can regularly make the tourney 6-7 times in a decade and maybe get a few NCAA wins. We are also much more of a logical step IMO. If he succeeds here then yes he would probably be poached by a UCLA type. Does he want to go on West Coast or stay in NY? Also a factor.

Redmannorth, just curious but how could we pull a Beard or the like from a major conference? Dixon would be great too, but why would he leave TCU? Both guys have their teams playing great basketball overall. I thought we can't poach from the F5 due to lower funds.
 
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..... I thought we can't poach from the F5 due to lower funds.[/quote]
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Published accounts indicate that St. John's pays Coach Mullin in excess of $2M per year.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=317951]IMO Oats coming here first rather than jumping to a UCLA would make much more sense. To go from Buffalo with only a little experience right to them? UCLA fans will protest you if you don't make Sweet 16's. Our fanbase will build a statue for you if you can regularly make the tourney 6-7 times in a decade and maybe get a few NCAA wins. We are also much more of a logical step IMO. If he succeeds here then yes he would probably be poached by a UCLA type. Does he want to go on West Coast or stay in NY? Also a factor.

Redmannorth, just curious but how could we pull a Beard or the like from a major conference? Dixon would be great too, but why would he leave TCU? Both guys have their teams playing great basketball overall. I thought we can't poach from the F5 due to lower funds.[/quote]

Don't see either of those two guys leaving their current jobs anytime soon.

Remember, Beard went to Texas Tech after being on the job at UNLV for one week. He is a Lubbock native, and Tech is his dream job. Dixon is also a TCU alum. We'd have to grossly overpay for Dixon, would be my guess, and I don't think Beard's leaving Tech for any other college job.

Those two guys, at their current schools, fall under that "perfect fit" category. I don't know if there's a single, reasonable coaching candidate out there, who would fall under that category for us.
 
To me I guess it doesn't really matter who coaches us next year. I do feel a good/great coach can do more with the roster we'll have then the current one as constructed would. I am getting frustrated with Mullin as time goes on. I am not him, so I don't know whether he really enjoys this gig or not, but from his actions it feels like he doesn't have his heart totally into this. You see the fire and intensity in St. Jean that you would hope to see in Mullin. Let's also be honest, who can say they see Mullin here for any extended amount of time, whether it be by his choice or admins choice? I'm honestly starting to feel that no matter the outcome of this year it may be that time to mutually part ways.
 
Where is Matt Doherty these days? Maybe he has some life left, last I heard he’s in A10 front offices
 
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I’m as disappointed and frustrated as everybody else, but as “the General” wisely says: “Lets let the season play out.”
Even with this deflating loss, there are 10 BE games left.
Who knows what’ll happen, since nobody saw this careen into the ditch?
That said, as stjohnnie75 says above, I doubt the University would buy CM’s last year out.
And I do not know if CM would resign and leave $2mm+ on the table.
So, let’s see this out and root like hell for the team to right itself.
And yes, NY baseball is on the horizon...for relief.
 
I have a hunch Mullin will resign after this season. He can't be having fun and he is clearly not willing to put in all the work it truly takes. He also doesn't want to hire anyone. I'd be extremely happy with Dixon or Beard but they aren't going anywhere and their schools can give way more than we can. Don't see us luring any F5 coach. Think we have a much better shot with Oats than them anyway. Oats and a really solid recruiter would do wonders IMO.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=317972]I have a hunch Mullin will resign after this season. He can't be having fun and he is clearly not willing to put in all the work it truly takes. He also doesn't want to hire anyone. I'd be extremely happy with Dixon or Beard but they aren't going anywhere and their schools can give way more than we can. Don't see us luring any F5 coach. Think we have a much better shot with Oats than them anyway. Oats and a really solid recruiter would do wonders IMO.[/quote]


2-1 odds Zaun hates next coach by year 2
 
[quote="adavis1" post=317977]Kyle Smith[/quote]

He'd definitely be in my top few candidates should the need arise.
 
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