Next Coach?

The guy is Cleuss. He would bring something here that we have not had in a long, long time. Local guy who can recruit locally; proven winner and team builder. We need a guy who can and is willing to build a PROGRAM, not just a guy who brings a big name and rep. We need a guy who knows bb and will work to install a system and recruit bb players to play within that system, not just athletic guys who are not a coherent group.
 
I'm sorry.....but when was it announced that Lavin was going to be fired this year? Could someone please post the link.....

Relax... the natives do this whenever we hit a rough patch.. makes everyone feel better, so go with it.

hardly, this native does it because we have had countless "rough patches" over the last 5 years; both on and off the court. Poor recruiting effort, shoddy or no due diligence on those recruits interested or planning on attending SJU, poor development and/or complete non-use of players HE recruited and then talked up, inane game and substitution strategies, etc, etc., etc. My opinion has nothing to do with losing a couple of games, this team has achieved all that can be expected IMO and I enjoy watching them and respect them. I do not consider my feelings about Lavin to be in "conflict" with anyone who feels differently and it does not make me feel better at all that we potentially face another coaching change but nothing, and I mean nothing, Lavin has done makes me feel he is the guy to lead us into the future. In 5 years. He had a good initial recruiting class (albeit with issues even after recruits were committed) and then a highly rated player he can't even begin to control; other than that zero. I hope we make the tourney and go deep and we might but even if we do it won't change my opinion of Lavin one bit; to me he conjures up memories of Jarvis, no substance, a lot of lazy and arrogant.

Look, you can't do a damned thing about it except post incessantly about how Lavin sucks, so if it doesn't affect change, and doesn't make you feel better, than just don't post the same stuff repeatedly and enjoy the season. And if you can't enjoy the season, pick a team that is at the top of whatever sport you like, and follow them. Think of how ridiculous this stupid crap is. All it took was three games - THREE FRICKIN GAMES OUT OF 15 - for the mob to come out with pitchforks. IF they win three straight, SOME GUYS will shut up for a while. Others will continue to blabber the same stuff, and some will just wait till we lose a few more. Worse than this crappy school, with a crappy athletic department, is our crappy alumni who contribute at a rate far too low to make a difference in athletic budgets.
 
The guy is Cleuss. He would bring something here that we have not had in a long, long time. Local guy who can recruit locally; proven winner and team builder. We need a guy who can and is willing to build a PROGRAM, not just a guy who brings a big name and rep. We need a guy who knows bb and will work to install a system and recruit bb players to play within that system, not just athletic guys who are not a coherent group.

* Cluess.
 
There was commentary (maybe from Francesa) at the time Jarvis was fired that Jarvis had intentionally failed to attend the President's dinner in order to provoke the firing, not wanting to take responsibility for the losing record and no recruits disaster that loomed in front of him.
 
Lavin is, and should be on the hot seat. The body of work is not there, and he's had plenty of time. SJU is simply not a good fit for him. With one recruit, and a bus load of seniors, this is probably the best time for Lav and SJU to part ways. Hopefully one or both of them are thinking that same thought.
 
Here is the criteria I would use to grade Coach Lavin (or any Coach):

Wins/Losses 56% C
Conference wins 53% C
NCAA bids 1 in 5 yrs (1-1) C
NIT bids 2 in 5 (1-2) D

Recruiting B-
Continuity D
Roster depth C
Player development B
Player management B

Game management B-
Strategy & Tactics B
Coaching B-

Media relations A
Integrity A
Staffing B

Program Stability B

Return on Investment C (6 yrs @ $1.45MM per)

Highly subjective, let's revisit in April.
 
Here is the criteria I would use to grade Coach Lavin (or any Coach):

Wins/Losses 56% C
Conference wins 53% C
NCAA bids 1 in 5 yrs (1-1) C
NIT bids 2 in 5 (1-2) D

Recruiting B-
Continuity D
Roster depth C
Player development B
Player management B

Game management B-
Strategy & Tactics B
Coaching B-

Media relations A
Integrity A
Staffing B

Program Stability B

Return on Investment C (6 yrs @ $1.45MM per)

Highly subjective, let's revisit in April.

Your compensation number is off. He was paid $1.98 million in the 2011-2012 season. I doubt that's gone down since.
 
Here is the criteria I would use to grade Coach Lavin (or any Coach):

Wins/Losses 56% C
Conference wins 53% C
NCAA bids 1 in 5 yrs (1-1) C
NIT bids 2 in 5 (1-2) D

Recruiting B-
Continuity D
Roster depth C
Player development B
Player management B

Game management B-
Strategy & Tactics B
Coaching B-

Media relations A
Integrity A
Staffing B

Program Stability B

Return on Investment C (6 yrs @ $1.45MM per)

Highly subjective, let's revisit in April.

Player Development is more like a C-
 
Here is the criteria I would use to grade Coach Lavin (or any Coach):

Wins/Losses 56% C
Conference wins 53% C
NCAA bids 1 in 5 yrs (1-1) C
NIT bids 2 in 5 (1-2) D

Recruiting B-
Continuity D
Roster depth C
Player development B
Player management B

Game management B-
Strategy & Tactics B
Coaching B-

Media relations A
Integrity A
Staffing B

Program Stability B

Return on Investment C (6 yrs @ $1.45MM per)

Highly subjective, let's revisit in April.

Big East Tournament: 1-4
 
The guy is Cleuss. He would bring something here that we have not had in a long, long time. Local guy who can recruit locally; proven winner and team builder. We need a guy who can and is willing to build a PROGRAM, not just a guy who brings a big name and rep. We need a guy who knows bb and will work to install a system and recruit bb players to play within that system, not just athletic guys who are not a coherent group.


Sounds like McKillop's resume.
 
The guy is Cleuss. He would bring something here that we have not had in a long, long time. Local guy who can recruit locally; proven winner and team builder. We need a guy who can and is willing to build a PROGRAM, not just a guy who brings a big name and rep. We need a guy who knows bb and will work to install a system and recruit bb players to play within that system, not just athletic guys who are not a coherent group.

Why are you so insistent on the need to recruit locally? The talent locally is not what it used to be, and there is so much greater talent all over the country.
 
The guy is Cleuss. He would bring something here that we have not had in a long, long time. Local guy who can recruit locally; proven winner and team builder. We need a guy who can and is willing to build a PROGRAM, not just a guy who brings a big name and rep. We need a guy who knows bb and will work to install a system and recruit bb players to play within that system, not just athletic guys who are not a coherent group.

Why are you so insistent on the need to recruit locally? The talent locally is not what it used to be, and there is so much greater talent all over the country.

Seton Hall took 1 year to get ranked with a ton of New York kids on their roster
 
Here is the criteria I would use to grade Coach Lavin (or any Coach):

Wins/Losses 56% C
Conference wins 53% C
NCAA bids 1 in 5 yrs (1-1) C
NIT bids 2 in 5 (1-2) D

Recruiting B-
Continuity D
Roster depth C
Player development B
Player management B

Game management B-
Strategy & Tactics B
Coaching B-

Media relations A
Integrity A
Staffing B

Program Stability B

Return on Investment C (6 yrs @ $1.45MM per)

Highly subjective, let's revisit in April.

Overall pretty fair except I'm a little mystified by the "B" for "Program Stability" especially when you gave a D for Continuity. And before I gave an A (or an F) what are the standards that you are using to judge Integrity?
 
The guy is Cleuss. He would bring something here that we have not had in a long, long time. Local guy who can recruit locally; proven winner and team builder. We need a guy who can and is willing to build a PROGRAM, not just a guy who brings a big name and rep. We need a guy who knows bb and will work to install a system and recruit bb players to play within that system, not just athletic guys who are not a coherent group.

Why are you so insistent on the need to recruit locally? The talent locally is not what it used to be, and there is so much greater talent all over the country.

There is a recurring theme that pops up on the board from time to time about local kids. The two things that bother me the most are when I hear that "there is not as much talent locally as there used to be" and "local kids want to get out of the city"...yes, some want to get far away from their situation, but there's also a lot of kids that would stay if they were recruited properly. There's a TON of talent in NY/NJ, and we are rarely in the mix.
 
The guy is Cleuss. He would bring something here that we have not had in a long, long time. Local guy who can recruit locally; proven winner and team builder. We need a guy who can and is willing to build a PROGRAM, not just a guy who brings a big name and rep. We need a guy who knows bb and will work to install a system and recruit bb players to play within that system, not just athletic guys who are not a coherent group.

Why are you so insistent on the need to recruit locally? The talent locally is not what it used to be, and there is so much greater talent all over the country.

There is a recurring theme that pops up on the board from time to time about local kids. The two things that bother me the most are when I hear that "there is not as much talent locally as there used to be" and "local kids want to get out of the city"...yes, some want to get far away from their situation, but there's also a lot of kids that would stay if they were recruited properly. There's a TON of talent in NY/NJ, and we are rarely in the mix.

Its akin to living in Brazil but choosing to travel the globe in search of hot women
 
The guy is Cleuss. He would bring something here that we have not had in a long, long time. Local guy who can recruit locally; proven winner and team builder. We need a guy who can and is willing to build a PROGRAM, not just a guy who brings a big name and rep. We need a guy who knows bb and will work to install a system and recruit bb players to play within that system, not just athletic guys who are not a coherent group.

Why are you so insistent on the need to recruit locally? The talent locally is not what it used to be, and there is so much greater talent all over the country.

Seton Hall took 1 year to get ranked with a ton of New York kids on their roster

They wouldn't be ranked without Gibbs. Grabbing transfers has really helped SHU.
 
The guy is Cleuss. He would bring something here that we have not had in a long, long time. Local guy who can recruit locally; proven winner and team builder. We need a guy who can and is willing to build a PROGRAM, not just a guy who brings a big name and rep. We need a guy who knows bb and will work to install a system and recruit bb players to play within that system, not just athletic guys who are not a coherent group.

My issue is total lack of focus on defense which you can get away playing St. Peter's but that won't fly against BE teams. 130-120 games would be fun to watch though especially if he could convince elite players they can score 25+ a year
 
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