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[quote="Marillac" post=311920]SH kills the argument of the weak schedule posters.

They've played Miami, Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, Kentucky, St. John's, Xavier, Louisville, Hawaii, and St. Louis and they are only #46!!!!

We've played way less and we are #23.[/quote]

That appears to be the case concerning the NET metric and rankings. However, the committee is another thing all together. We will need to secure at least 3 Q1 wins and several more Q2 wins in order to receive an at-large. Last year, these teams failed to receive at-large bids.

Middle Tenn
23-7, 16-2 ConfUSA
RPI: 33 on selection sunday

USC
23-11, 12-6 PAC12
RPI: 34

Louisville
20-13, 9-9 ACC
RPI: 38

St. Mary's
28-5, 16-2 WCC
RPI: 40

I used RPI since that was last year's version of the NET rankings. That said, it does appear that the NET rankings value winning more than strength of schedule. But, that is only half of the equation. We still need to build a solid resume. The screw job last Sat, likely took away a Q1 win for us.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=311440]Don’t forget. That OOC Duke game win or lose will help us statistically in all rankings. Most teams don’t wedge juggernaut opponents into their conference schedules like that.[/quote]

I believe that we will need to keep this competitive. Beating up on Wagner and Sacred Heart didn't hurt us. So, logic would make me think that getting killed by Duke likewise will not help us. Need the final to be within 10 or so...even if its a late comeback.
 
[quote="weathermannyc" post=311935][quote="MCNPA" post=311440]Don’t forget. That OOC Duke game win or lose will help us statistically in all rankings. Most teams don’t wedge juggernaut opponents into their conference schedules like that.[/quote]

I believe that we will need to keep this competitive. Beating up on Wagner and Sacred Heart didn't hurt us. So, logic would make me think that getting killed by Duke likewise will not help us. Need the final to be within 10 or so...even if its a late comeback.[/quote]

I spoke to a couple of Duke fans that watched the Marquette game. They were actually concerned. They feel like we have good upperclassmen for leadership, don't turn the ball over a lot, and can score with anyone.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=311920]SH kills the argument of the weak schedule posters.

They've played Miami, Nebraska, Maryland, Rutgers, Kentucky, St. John's, Xavier, Louisville, Hawaii, and St. Louis and they are only #46!!!!

We've played way less and we are #23.[/quote]

True, but at the same time Hall appears to be a major outlier. I believe the reason is because they have had very low margins of victory.

Impressive wins:
Rutgers +6
Maryland +4
Miami +2
St. John's +2
Kentucky +1

ALL of their impressive wins are within 6 points.

We've at least blown out a couple teams, such as @ Rutgers and vs Marquette. Further, we also blew out all the cupcakes (besides Bowling Green) by 10+ points.

I agree that Hall is absolutely undervalued by NET, but there's a reason for it.
 
[quote="Adam" post=313121]Up to #20 (+4)! First in the Big East.

[URL][URL]https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings[/URL][/URL]

That's through January 5, so I expect the January 6 update shortly.[/quote]

I think we would have actually lost a spot or two with the narrow win had it not been did some past opponents flying up the rankings.

BG rose 40 spots to 166 and Princeton 27 spots to 189. VCU rose 9 spots to 44 and they are now a Quad 1 win. Ga Tech rose 15 spots to 100. Gtown rose 8 spots to 94.
 
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[quote="Marillac" post=313126][quote="Adam" post=313121]Up to #20 (+4)! First in the Big East.

[URL][URL]https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings[/URL][/URL]

That's through January 5, so I expect the January 6 update shortly.[/quote]

I think we would have actually lost a spot or two with the narrow win had it not been did some past opponents flying up the rankings.

BG rose 40 spots to 166 and Princeton 27 spots to 189. VCU rose 9 spots to 44 and they are now a Quad 1 win. Ga Tech rose 15 spots to 100. Gtown rose 8 spots to 94.[/quote]

Thanks. Certainly possible, I'm not sure we would've lost spots with the game being away, but regardless great to see another increase!
 
[quote="Adam" post=313127][quote="Marillac" post=313126][quote="Adam" post=313121]Up to #20 (+4)! First in the Big East.

[URL][URL]https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings[/URL][/URL]

That's through January 5, so I expect the January 6 update shortly.[/quote]

I think we would have actually lost a spot or two with the narrow win had it not been did some past opponents flying up the rankings.

BG rose 40 spots to 166 and Princeton 27 spots to 189. VCU rose 9 spots to 44 and they are now a Quad 1 win. Ga Tech rose 15 spots to 100. Gtown rose 8 spots to 94.[/quote]

Thanks. Certainly possible, I'm not sure we would've lost spots with the game being away, but regardless great to see another increase![/quote]

We also get hurt, a bit, by the overtime in this game. NET recognizes that as a 1-point win (and 1-point loss for Georgetown), irregardless of the actual final score. But, the fact that we won on the road should more then cancel that out.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=313129][quote="Adam" post=313127][quote="Marillac" post=313126][quote="Adam" post=313121]Up to #20 (+4)! First in the Big East.

[URL][URL]https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings[/URL][/URL]

That's through January 5, so I expect the January 6 update shortly.[/quote]

I think we would have actually lost a spot or two with the narrow win had it not been did some past opponents flying up the rankings.

BG rose 40 spots to 166 and Princeton 27 spots to 189. VCU rose 9 spots to 44 and they are now a Quad 1 win. Ga Tech rose 15 spots to 100. Gtown rose 8 spots to 94.[/quote]

Thanks. Certainly possible, I'm not sure we would've lost spots with the game being away, but regardless great to see another increase![/quote]

We also get hurt, a bit, by the overtime in this game. NET recognizes that as a 1-point win (and 1-point loss for Georgetown), irregardless of the actual final score. But, the fact that we won on the road should more then cancel that out.[/quote]

As if I need another reason to think the formula was stupid.
 
20. Johnnies
22. Marquette
34. Villanova
38. Seton Hall
48. Creighton
Latest NET
 
[quote="Adam" post=313127][quote="Marillac" post=313126][quote="Adam" post=313121]Up to #20 (+4)! First in the Big East.

[URL][URL]https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings[/URL][/URL]

That's through January 5, so I expect the January 6 update shortly.[/quote]

I think we would have actually lost a spot or two with the narrow win had it not been did some past opponents flying up the rankings.

BG rose 40 spots to 166 and Princeton 27 spots to 189. VCU rose 9 spots to 44 and they are now a Quad 1 win. Ga Tech rose 15 spots to 100. Gtown rose 8 spots to 94.[/quote]

Thanks. Certainly possible, I'm not sure we would've lost spots with the game being away, but regardless great to see another increase![/quote]

We get the points for the road win, but only 1 pt margin of victory and our efficiency #s took a hit.

BG flew up 40 spots by beating the brakes off Kent St. Margin of victory is just weighted too heavy in this metric--and half of that is indirect. I like the RPI better.
 
[quote="SJU14" post=313397]Just noticed that Purdue at 9-5 is 1 spot ahead of us[/quote]

That is because they destroyed lesser teams. They beat Robert Morris by 38, Ohio by 28, Fairfield by 33, and a few other lesser schools by more than 20.

This metric awards blowouts. A 45 point win over a scrub is waaaaaay too close to the same value a one point win over a team like Duke provides.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=313402][quote="SJU14" post=313397]Just noticed that Purdue at 9-5 is 1 spot ahead of us[/quote]

That is because they destroyed lesser teams. They beat Robert Morris by 38, Ohio by 28, Fairfield by 33, and a few other lesser schools by more than 20.

This metric awards blowouts. A 45 point win over a scrub is waaaaaay too close to the same value a one point win over a team like Duke provides.[/quote]

They probably get some credit for playing in what IMO is the strongest conference this year.
 
[quote="ron s m" post=313403][quote="Marillac" post=313402][quote="SJU14" post=313397]Just noticed that Purdue at 9-5 is 1 spot ahead of us[/quote]

That is because they destroyed lesser teams. They beat Robert Morris by 38, Ohio by 28, Fairfield by 33, and a few other lesser schools by more than 20.

This metric awards blowouts. A 45 point win over a scrub is waaaaaay too close to the same value a one point win over a team like Duke provides.[/quote]

They probably get some credit for playing in what IMO is the strongest conference this year.[/quote]

They've only played three conference games so far and two of them have been at home. The other was a lopsided loss to Michigan.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=313402][quote="SJU14" post=313397]Just noticed that Purdue at 9-5 is 1 spot ahead of us[/quote]

That is because they destroyed lesser teams. They beat Robert Morris by 38, Ohio by 28, Fairfield by 33, and a few other lesser schools by more than 20.

This metric awards blowouts. A 45 point win over a scrub is waaaaaay too close to the same value a one point win over a team like Duke provides.[/quote]

I believe all 10+ point wins count the same. So whether you win by 11 or 40, they count the same.
 
[quote="SJU14" post=313450][quote="Marillac" post=313402][quote="SJU14" post=313397]Just noticed that Purdue at 9-5 is 1 spot ahead of us[/quote]

That is because they destroyed lesser teams. They beat Robert Morris by 38, Ohio by 28, Fairfield by 33, and a few other lesser schools by more than 20.

This metric awards blowouts. A 45 point win over a scrub is waaaaaay too close to the same value a one point win over a team like Duke provides.[/quote]

I believe all 10+ point wins count the same. So whether you win by 11 or 40, they count the same.[/quote]

Unfortunately this not true. While the total deficit is capped at ten in one category, efficiency #s are not and don't take quality of opponent into account. So .5 points per possession on offenses against Duke is the same as .5 points per possession against Maryland Eastern Shore.
 
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