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[quote="fordham96" post=306134]Even with a solid if unspectacular conference season they should make NCAA's as long as they don't lose any non-con's that don't have the name Duke next to the game. Then the next issue will be seeding. They will get a weak seed though unless they can have a blowout conference season, 13/14 wins.

That is where those Sagarin, BPI and RPI numbers will hurt them.[/quote]

How is a comparison to 99-00 silly? That team lost to Stamford and Depaul in a similar OOC slate as this year--with a late game v. Duke. They played only seven guys and had only eight scholarship players...the 8th being Heath freaking Orvis. After that it was walkons. The starting center was a 6'4 freshman and the only guy above a realistic 6'6 was a sophomore Donald Emanuel. And it was arguably the weakest year for the conference this century, only 5 bids, nobody got past the Sweet 16, and only two teams were ranked in the top 25 for several weeks before the tournament.

This team is actually bigger and, believe it or not, deeper. 12-0 looks like a foregone conclusion at this point. Who is to say they can't go 12-6 in conference and then make a run in the tournament?
 
Realizing now everyone’s gripes about the schedule. Very happy with the season thus far but we have 3 power 5 victories against arguably the 3 worst Power 5 teams. That can’t be argued at this point but a strong BE campaign will have them in great position mid-March.
 
We've moved up to Quad 1 (#29)!

As I said in the OP, eating up cupcakes doesn't seem to negatively impact the rankings like it did for RPI. :)
 
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Per Brandom Tierney
#Johnnies jump 3 spots from 32 to 29 in updated #NET rankings following last night's 14 point win. Inconsistencies aside, soft scheduling not penalizing #SJUBB as they've won 3 x's on neutral site, are 1-1 on the road and have four wins by 14 points or more.

Math adding up.

Updated #SJUBB resume as of 12/6

- WINS -

Quadrant 1:
(A) Rutgers

Quadrant 2:
(N) VCU
(N) Georgia Tech

Quadrant 4:
(N) California
(H) Bowling Green
(H) Loyola Maryland
(H) UMES
(H) Mount St. Mary’s

- LOSSES - 0
 
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About time somebody said it. With VCU win over Texas we should have three top 100 wins already ( all on the road or a neutral site).

Rank SJU you cowards.
 
Duke was our only KenPom projected pre-season top 100 game (aside from Temple, who we didn't even play). As of today (NET):
#3 Duke (away)
#68 VCU (neutral)
#70 Rutgers (away)
#85 Georgia Tech (neutral)

What a lot of the AP doesn't realize is that ALL 3 of the biggest teams we beat have played significantly above expectations. That absolutely changes the narrative regarding our SOS. I agree, time to rank us. Our resume is great and the NET agrees.
 
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[quote="Adam" post=306796]Duke was our only KenPom projected pre-season top 100 game (aside from Temple, who we didn't even play). As of today (NET):
#3 Duke (away)
#68 VCU (neutral)
#70 Rutgers (away)
#85 Georgia Tech (neutral)

What a lot of the AP doesn't realize is that ALL 3 of the biggest teams we beat have played significantly above expectations. That absolutely changes the narrative regarding our SOS. I agree, time to rank us. Our resume is great and the NET agrees.[/quote]

Even if Rutgers and Georgia Tech take beatings once conference season comes around, the ACC and the Big 10 both appear to be very strong leagues this year, so their rankings can only fall so far.

They may fall out of the top 100, but I doubt they fall below 200.
 
[quote="Adam" post=306770]We've moved up to Quad 1 (#29)!

As I said in the OP, eating up cupcakes doesn't seem to negatively impact the rankings like it did for RPI. :)[/quote]

Very true. Last night's win dropped STJ 30 spots in the RPI per Realtime RPI. On the plus side in the RPI VCU is now top 50, not that any of this matters.
 
SJU moves up from #32 to #30 after yesterday's 10+ point home win vs #297 Princeton.

Once again, we are not being penalized for beating mediocre teams.

This is huge in regards to our schedule.
 
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[quote="Adam" post=307563]SJU moves up from #32 to #30 after yesterday's 10+ point home win vs #297 Princeton.

Once again, we are not being penalized for beating mediocre teams.

This is huge in regards to our schedule.[/quote]

RealtimeRPI has us at 42 and KenPom has us at 53.
 
The AP poll is entirely subjective and in this day antiquated.

Good 50+ years ago... that's about it.

Hope it starts to get less publicity as all these other metrics refine themselves.
 
[quote="Room112" post=307584][quote="Adam" post=307563]SJU moves up from #32 to #30 after yesterday's 10+ point home win vs #297 Princeton.

Once again, we are not being penalized for beating mediocre teams.

This is huge in regards to our schedule.[/quote]

RealtimeRPI has us at 42 and KenPom has us at 53.[/quote]

Fortunately the committee is just looking at NET this year. Our RPI will no doubt end up worse than NET, since that factors in SOS a lot more heavily. KenPom doesn't like us due to weak margins, but NET caps the margins at 10.

At least in terms of non-conference, NET seems to be working out pretty well for us this year.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=307591]The AP poll is entirely subjective and in this day antiquated.
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You're probably right but it is kind of a glamor shot so still relevant and impactful. I like the media having a Top 25 voice rather than the NCAA being all powerful final word on everything. Checks and Balances.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=307595][quote="RedStormNC" post=307591]The AP poll is entirely subjective and in this day antiquated.
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You're probably right but it is kind of a glamor shot so still relevant and impactful. I like the media having a Top 25 voice rather than the NCAA being all powerful final word on everything. Checks and Balances.[/quote]

Kinda like the Grammys/Oscars etc.....
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=307591]The AP poll is entirely subjective and in this day antiquated.

Good 50+ years ago... that's about it.

Hope it starts to get less publicity as all these other metrics refine themselves.[/quote]

Yep, I think for the college football rankings, once the playoff committee rankings are revealed mid season those overtake the AP rankings as the new top 25. I could be wrong about that since I don't follow much.

If true, I'd like to see the same done for college basketball. Use NET for the top 25 after the first month or so.

I've said it before but I'll say it again. St. John's deserves to be ranked. It's ridiculous that a team like Kentucky is ranked despite having beaten absolutely nobody of significance (no power conference teams or great mid majors) and losing twice already.

Oh well, we'll be ranked in 2-3 weeks as long as we keep winning. Definitely would be ranked if we win @ Hall.

Far more important IMO is watching NET over the next 3 games. That will determine if we need to get 11/12 Ws during conference play, or just 9/10. May completely change the narrative heading into the season.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=307599]Paul - good point on keeping the NCAA in check... didn't think of that.[/quote]

I think that's a valid concern as long as the NET formula is private. They really need to make it 100% public.

NET does have a lot of advantages over the AP though:
1. It is a metric, so shouldn't be biased (unless manipulated)
2. Doesn't favor undeserving teams like UK
3. Best represents where teams actually stand, since NET is the committee's main tool while AP is irrelevant
 
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If we stay undefeated and beat Seton Hall on that Saturday, we will be ranked the next monday and have a potential top 25 showdown on tuesday at CA against Marquette
 
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