Murray St Official Game Thread

[bk8664]

Blaming refs is silly? Did you watch the game? It honestly looked fixed at some points. D'Lo was hit in the face, shoved, and almost knocked to the ground RIGHT in front of the ref! No call. So it came down to 5 points...the last 2 minutes of the 1st half are what lost us this game. The refs let them run wild, then they found a cheat code hitting every 3. What a BS game. I really hope the media points out how terrible the refs were because they just cost a big game. It's infuriating because you know they know they got away with a ton. Every out of bounds play, a 3 followed. It was to the point where they might as well close their eyes, chuck it up, and have it go in as a swish. Now we get killed by a Baylor team and we are suddenly 2-2. Not only should we have won this one, but now we will pay double by drawing an even harder opponent. I'm jealous of all the other major teams playing cupcakes while we play legitimate NCAA teams that can make deep runs. Every loss in OOC play means more pressure to win a lot in the Big East and that's near impossible.

Right; our unforced, cheap turnovers, lack of team offense and inability to identify and match up with shooters, not to mention trotting back on D too many times had nothing to do with the loss; it was the refs. Calls, good and bad are part of the game and our poor play lost the game, period.

We played poorly for sure to end the game - but being angry at the refs for a game called completely unfairly is perfectly fine. Should have we won the game despite the refs? Sure. Can we be angry as heck at the refs? Sure.

 

[logen]

Tonight, we lost a GOLDEN opportunity to really put an exclamation point on the SJ brand. I noticed Harrison was livid tonight, but he had every right to be. If you're in there playing your butt off and they are hitting you in the face and shoving you with no calls it's infuriating. You know the refs really were awful because Lavin almost got a technical for yelling. Lavin is not that kind of guy. What a fake win for Murray State...it's about as artificial as they come. We led for 80% of the game and even DOMINATED a lot of the time. Then it was refs to the rescue and the magic 3 ball. I don't think I'll live past 40 if I watch many more of these types of games.

I would respectfully suggest, in the interests of your good health, you take up knitting.

 

[usguard]

Blaming refs is silly? Did you watch the game? It honestly looked fixed at some points. D'Lo was hit in the face, shoved, and almost knocked to the ground RIGHT in front of the ref! No call. So it came down to 5 points...the last 2 minutes of the 1st half are what lost us this game. The refs let them run wild, then they found a cheat code hitting every 3. What a BS game. I really hope the media points out how terrible the refs were because they just cost a big game. It's infuriating because you know they know they got away with a ton. Every out of bounds play, a 3 followed. It was to the point where they might as well close their eyes, chuck it up, and have it go in as a swish. Now we get killed by a Baylor team and we are suddenly 2-2. Not only should we have won this one, but now we will pay double by drawing an even harder opponent. I'm jealous of all the other major teams playing cupcakes while we play legitimate NCAA teams that can make deep runs. Every loss in OOC play means more pressure to win a lot in the Big East and that's near impossible.

I don't agree with everything you've said, but it seems perfectly legitimate to be angry at the refs during this game. The baloney calls at end of the 1st half killed our momentum, and then the calls in the 2nd half gave the opponent a clear advantage. we didn't play well to close the game - but that doesn't mean we can't be angry at the ref's really bad calling of this game.

Boo WHOO we lost it can depend on refs Coach has to take it for this loss

Guess we haven;t made as much progress as we thought on our outside shooting

 

[RM86]

What happened to our vaunted depth? Lavs gotta get more guys in the game. Marco, Felix, Dom and Jones glued to pine in 2nd half.

 

[bk8664]

Blaming refs is silly? Did you watch the game? It honestly looked fixed at some points. D'Lo was hit in the face, shoved, and almost knocked to the ground RIGHT in front of the ref! No call. So it came down to 5 points...the last 2 minutes of the 1st half are what lost us this game. The refs let them run wild, then they found a cheat code hitting every 3. What a BS game. I really hope the media points out how terrible the refs were because they just cost a big game. It's infuriating because you know they know they got away with a ton. Every out of bounds play, a 3 followed. It was to the point where they might as well close their eyes, chuck it up, and have it go in as a swish. Now we get killed by a Baylor team and we are suddenly 2-2. Not only should we have won this one, but now we will pay double by drawing an even harder opponent. I'm jealous of all the other major teams playing cupcakes while we play legitimate NCAA teams that can make deep runs. Every loss in OOC play means more pressure to win a lot in the Big East and that's near impossible.

I don't agree with everything you've said, but it seems perfectly legitimate to be angry at the refs during this game. The baloney calls at end of the 1st half killed our momentum, and then the calls in the 2nd half gave the opponent a clear advantage. we didn't play well to close the game - but that doesn't mean we can't be angry at the ref's really bad calling of this game.

Boo WHOO we lost it can depend on refs Coach has to take it for this loss

Chill out. I don't deserve that. Our team lost the game for sure - but I want to lose fair and square. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[LINY89]

This just sucks. Now we get Baylor. Why did we pick this kind of tournament so early on with such a young team? It seems to be hurting us more than helping us. While SH, Cincy, Nova, etc. rack up wins over cupcakes, here we are playing March Madness games in November. I'm curious for your thoughts on this.

 

[doodyny33]

I guess this is a preview of what to expect this year

No, it's not. This is the third game for a very young team. They will learn and get better.

Not to take anything away from Murray State, but it's going to be very hard to continue to draw recruits to St. John's when you can't win these games.

The team had a chance to win tonight and play for the tournament championship. Instead, they now have to play Baylor for 3rd place. And let's be honest ... Baylor is not going to lose twice in the Charleston Classic.

 

[1and1sju]

We dominated this game Joe??

What phase of the game did we dominate in the second half?
They didn't turn the ball over as much, they shot better, they played better Defense than us in the second half, and we rebounded about the same.

They played better in the second half than we did.
And yes, I too was thinking wtf isn't Marco in the game down 3 with a minute left.


We need to shoot better, pass the ball more, turn it over less, and play better defense if we want to win.
We did none of that better than them in 2nd half.

 

[bk8664]

This just sucks. Now we get Baylor. Why did we pick this kind of tournament so early on with such a young team? It seems to be hurting us more than helping us. While SH, Cincy, Nova, etc. rack up wins over cupcakes, here we are playing March Madness games in November. I'm curious for your thoughts on this.

Now most of this, i don't agree with.

 

[RM86]

Blaming refs is silly? Did you watch the game? It honestly looked fixed at some points. D'Lo was hit in the face, shoved, and almost knocked to the ground RIGHT in front of the ref! No call. So it came down to 5 points...the last 2 minutes of the 1st half are what lost us this game. The refs let them run wild, then they found a cheat code hitting every 3. What a BS game. I really hope the media points out how terrible the refs were because they just cost a big game. It's infuriating because you know they know they got away with a ton. Every out of bounds play, a 3 followed. It was to the point where they might as well close their eyes, chuck it up, and have it go in as a swish. Now we get killed by a Baylor team and we are suddenly 2-2. Not only should we have won this one, but now we will pay double by drawing an even harder opponent. I'm jealous of all the other major teams playing cupcakes while we play legitimate NCAA teams that can make deep runs. Every loss in OOC play means more pressure to win a lot in the Big East and that's near impossible.

I don't agree with everything you've said, but it seems perfectly legitimate to be angry at the refs during this game. The baloney calls at end of the 1st half killed our momentum, and then the calls in the 2nd half gave the opponent a clear advantage. we didn't play well to close the game - but that doesn't mean we can't be angry at the ref's really bad calling of this game.

Boo WHOO we lost it can depend on refs Coach has to take it for this loss

Chill out. I don't deserve that. Our team lost the game for sure - but I want to lose fair and square. Nothing wrong with that.

We did lose fair and square. We commited turnovers, forced shots and left guys wide open, not much else to say.

 

[mjmaherjr]

16 turnovers???? Can't win with that. 5 three attempts in the last minute; ; we might have won if we could hit one.
Biggest laugh was RedStorm Johnny posts on ESPN's thread "Conversation 367" during the game. He made every fan of StJ sound like a moron and a low life at that with his dozens of taunting posts. The MS fans are still rubbing in the salt now as he continues to foolishly claim that the refs won it an dthat we "won" 80% of the game!

I think that might have been Joe3

 

[mjmaherjr]

We led for 80% of the game and even DOMINATED a lot of the time. Then it was refs to the rescue and the magic 3 ball. I don't think I'll live past 40 if I watch many more of these types of games.

yep it was. lol

 

[logen]

Blaming refs is silly? Did you watch the game? It honestly looked fixed at some points. D'Lo was hit in the face, shoved, and almost knocked to the ground RIGHT in front of the ref! No call. So it came down to 5 points...the last 2 minutes of the 1st half are what lost us this game. The refs let them run wild, then they found a cheat code hitting every 3. What a BS game. I really hope the media points out how terrible the refs were because they just cost a big game. It's infuriating because you know they know they got away with a ton. Every out of bounds play, a 3 followed. It was to the point where they might as well close their eyes, chuck it up, and have it go in as a swish. Now we get killed by a Baylor team and we are suddenly 2-2. Not only should we have won this one, but now we will pay double by drawing an even harder opponent. I'm jealous of all the other major teams playing cupcakes while we play legitimate NCAA teams that can make deep runs. Every loss in OOC play means more pressure to win a lot in the Big East and that's near impossible.

Right; our unforced, cheap turnovers, lack of team offense and inability to identify and match up with shooters, not to mention trotting back on D too many times had nothing to do with the loss; it was the refs. Calls, good and bad are part of the game and our poor play lost the game, period.

We played poorly for sure to end the game - but being angry at the refs for a game called completely unfairly is perfectly fine. Should have we won the game despite the refs? Sure. Can we be angry as heck at the refs? Sure.

I really don't think the game was called completely unfairly. There were bad calls but there are in any game. We lost because of our poor play, plain and simple. I also think Lavin had a very poor game after two good ones.

 

[1and1sju]

I guess this is a preview of what to expect this year

No, it's not. This is the third game for a very young team. They will learn and get better.

Not to take anything away from Murray State, but it's going to be very hard to continue to draw recruits to St. John's when you can't win these games.

The team had a chance to win tonight and play for the tournament championship. Instead, they now have to play Baylor for 3rd place. And let's be honest ... Baylor is not going to lose twice in the Charleston Classic.

Umm..
No.

This was a bad loss, and both coaches and players are to blame. But this won't effect recruiting one bit.

 

[redman#13]

What? Golden opportunity in the third game of the year? How about winning the Big East regular season title or the conf tournament? Thats a real statement, reading some of the stuff on this board is making it really hard to come back. Tough loss for the boys. We need someone other than Dlo to step up. this is a perfect example of when experience comes into play at the end of the games. We don't have much experience and Murray state does.

 

[sirvoo]

The refs sucked. #2 on their team was an absolute wanker. I would have shown him what it's really liked to be fouled by putting a forearm across his face. With that said the guys didn't lose composure until the last 6 or 7 minutes of the game. The refs blew it, but these games build character. It's November no need to panic about 1 loss to a team we are better than. We know we are better so it doesn't bother me as much that we were slighted a bit

 

[mjmaherjr]

This just sucks. Now we get Baylor. Why did we pick this kind of tournament so early on with such a young team? It seems to be hurting us more than helping us. While SH, Cincy, Nova, etc. rack up wins over cupcakes, here we are playing March Madness games in November. I'm curious for your thoughts on this.

Joe this tourney is great for us. We ALMOST won this game and should have and if we did everyone on here would be going nuts with happiness right now.

Kids learn from these games. It was a road game and this is a great experience for these kids. Much better than playing some cr@p teams which wont help us in march

 

[bk8664]

Blaming refs is silly? Did you watch the game? It honestly looked fixed at some points. D'Lo was hit in the face, shoved, and almost knocked to the ground RIGHT in front of the ref! No call. So it came down to 5 points...the last 2 minutes of the 1st half are what lost us this game. The refs let them run wild, then they found a cheat code hitting every 3. What a BS game. I really hope the media points out how terrible the refs were because they just cost a big game. It's infuriating because you know they know they got away with a ton. Every out of bounds play, a 3 followed. It was to the point where they might as well close their eyes, chuck it up, and have it go in as a swish. Now we get killed by a Baylor team and we are suddenly 2-2. Not only should we have won this one, but now we will pay double by drawing an even harder opponent. I'm jealous of all the other major teams playing cupcakes while we play legitimate NCAA teams that can make deep runs. Every loss in OOC play means more pressure to win a lot in the Big East and that's near impossible.

I don't agree with everything you've said, but it seems perfectly legitimate to be angry at the refs during this game. The baloney calls at end of the 1st half killed our momentum, and then the calls in the 2nd half gave the opponent a clear advantage. we didn't play well to close the game - but that doesn't mean we can't be angry at the ref's really bad calling of this game.

Boo WHOO we lost it can depend on refs Coach has to take it for this loss

Chill out. I don't deserve that. Our team lost the game for sure - but I want to lose fair and square. Nothing wrong with that.

We did lose fair and square. We commited turnovers, forced shots and left guys wide open, not much else to say.

No doubt. We 100% lost the game with our play at the end. I have no qualms about that. I completely agree with everyone else on the board about this. I just have a gripe with obvious and multiple homer calls. Maybe things would have turned out differently - it's hard to say - but we'll never know; which makes it frustrating. that's it.
just very frustrating.

 

[Mean Gene]

This just sucks. Now we get Baylor. Why did we pick this kind of tournament so early on with such a young team? It seems to be hurting us more than helping us. While SH, Cincy, Nova, etc. rack up wins over cupcakes, here we are playing March Madness games in November. I'm curious for your thoughts on this.

Joe, we have nine cupcake games coming up after the Baylor game. Even if we lose to Baylor this team will be 11-2 going into the Big East.

 

[1and1sju]

This just sucks. Now we get Baylor. Why did we pick this kind of tournament so early on with such a young team? It seems to be hurting us more than helping us. While SH, Cincy, Nova, etc. rack up wins over cupcakes, here we are playing March Madness games in November. I'm curious for your thoughts on this.

Losses in November mean very little.
Also, big games early in the season provide motivation to keep your team focused in Summer and Fall practices.
If you open up against 10 straight cupcakes nobody has any bulletin board material, or opponents coaches can use to scare their teams into practicing harder. "Do you think your ready for Baylor in 3 weeks?" etc.