Murray St Official Game Thread

Just throwing this out there but everyone seems to want to ride Dom because he doesn't average 14 ppg. But how about him not be able to play most of tonight. Ever wonder how the 2nd half would have turned out with him defending the perimeter?

#justsayin
 
Obviously, a very dissapointing end to the game tonight. But, oddly, after a tough loss, I find myself feeling very good about this team. Call me crazy, but this loss reminds me a lot of the Pre-season NIT losses in November of 1998 at the Garden to Stanford and Purdue. You got a glimpse of what this team is capable of, and they were in command of the game against a good opponent. Then, a couple of things didn't go our way and the young talented team responded with a couple of sloppy turnovers and rushed shots to let the game slip away. This team is very talented and very deep. Yes, there are imperfections...especially on the offensive side right now. But, I have a feeling that what we see in January and February will be very different than what we see now and it will have us smiling. The pieces are there. We just need to give it some time.
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Agreed, and while this may be stating the obvious, we're also witnessing one of the greatest Redmen players of all time. D'Angelo Harrison is averaging over 20 points per game against some pretty good early season competition and he's not even shooting well. His drives, hesitation moves and willingness to take every shot if others want to stand around is comendable. His ability to do so and actually convert many of those shots is what makes him special. While we will all look back when he's done here and think highly of his work as a Johnny (and that time may come soon, although I'm still hoping he gives us a third and fourth year), appreciating all he can do as we're watching him is even more fun. We're in for a very good ride this year, and I'm glad we can say that after a very difficult 2011-2012 for Coach and his family (especially), the team and us fans. We are St.John's !!!
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Harrison did not have one of his better games today. 27 points is nice, but the rest of the team stood around because he wasn't looking to pass - at all, in the second half especially.
He was drawing two defenders every time he drove with the ball, and was forcing mid range floaters when he had open teammates under the basket.
He was slow moving on defense at times
And he turned the ball over at least 6 times.
And in the second half when we needed him to hit open shots, he didn't.

He had a good game, but he didn't play as well as some are making it out.

Honestly, no one had a great game - including the staff. I hope a frustrating loss like this motivates them for Sunday.

Lastly, has anyone heard anything about Dom's injury? Just a bruise?
 
We led for 80% of the game and even DOMINATED a lot of the time. Then it was refs to the rescue and the magic 3 ball. I don't think I'll live past 40 if I watch many more of these types of games.
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yep it was. lol
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Are you honestly going to blame me for something else I didn't do? Let's not even start...pretty sure there is more than 1 angry SJ fan. Do you ever watch those conversation sections? Every single game in every single sport there's 500 people like that trolling.
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Joe what are the odds that oldfan would come here complaining about some poster on that other site complaining incessantly and saying we were winning 80% of the game and then all the sudden you post something here about winning 80% of the game.

I mean seriously lets be realistic. What are the odds both that poster and you would use the same exact number 80% ?
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It's actually funny you should bring that up. I saw someone else use that figure on the conversation and I took their word for it because it seemed accurate. In fact the percentage might even be higher. It feels like we led 90% of the game. Hope your witch hunt ends well.
 
Not trying to add any fuel to any fire, but the opposing fans were occasionally complimentary about StJ and our players. They were amusingly ticked off by the refs who they thought were screwing THEM regularly, and they were uniformly riled about RedStorm Johnnys ridiculous taunting. I'd say they were pretty good and smart fans like most in the Big Conferences. Our representative on that board made us look like rookies and poor sports. We should have classes in sportsmanship, the lost art.
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Are you guys serious with all this? It's ESPN conversation. If you think that was bad you haven't gone on too much. There are fans from Murray State that looked like idiots too. It's every team. It's the internet and one team is in a battle vs. the other. What do you expect to hear on the internet, "Oh wow, you are way better than us! We suck...you are awesome! We are overrated and you aren't!"? You have to understand the dynamics of internet posting when it's anonymous. People will always say crazy stuff and lots of people are just trolls. To say that an ESPN conversation section represents the attitude of a fanbase is like saying that Phillies fan who intentionally threw up on a girl represents all Philly fans. Enough. By the way, ESPN conversation is so ridiculous that I used to save some of my favorite sayings and some of the funniest material. It's not something you take seriously at all.
 
Just throwing this out there but everyone seems to want to ride Dom because he doesn't average 14 ppg. But how about him not be able to play most of tonight. Ever wonder how the 2nd half would have turned out with him defending the perimeter?

#justsayin
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I like Dom and have no issue with him. He hasn't scored this year, but I don't expect that to last (he should at least get back to the 7-8 points he had last year). I agree with you. Our defense would have been much better in the second half with Dom in there. One play or two and we had that game.
 
Pointer has not proven himself to be a legitimate scoring threat, but I agree with all of you

In a gritty game, he should be on the court

Too good of a defensive player not to be
 
Pointer has not proven himself to be a legitimate scoring threat, but I agree with all of you

In a gritty game, he should be on the court

Too good of a defensive player not to be
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Too bad he hurt his hip because I think he would have been then even if he had 2 pts on the board.
 
Obviously, a very dissapointing end to the game tonight. But, oddly, after a tough loss, I find myself feeling very good about this team. Call me crazy, but this loss reminds me a lot of the Pre-season NIT losses in November of 1998 at the Garden to Stanford and Purdue. You got a glimpse of what this team is capable of, and they were in command of the game against a good opponent. Then, a couple of things didn't go our way and the young talented team responded with a couple of sloppy turnovers and rushed shots to let the game slip away. This team is very talented and very deep. Yes, there are imperfections...especially on the offensive side right now. But, I have a feeling that what we see in January and February will be very different than what we see now and it will have us smiling. The pieces are there. We just need to give it some time.
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Agreed, and while this may be stating the obvious, we're also witnessing one of the greatest Redmen players of all time. D'Angelo Harrison is averaging over 20 points per game against some pretty good early season competition and he's not even shooting well. His drives, hesitation moves and willingness to take every shot if others want to stand around is comendable. His ability to do so and actually convert many of those shots is what makes him special. While we will all look back when he's done here and think highly of his work as a Johnny (and that time may come soon, although I'm still hoping he gives us a third and fourth year), appreciating all he can do as we're watching him is even more fun. We're in for a very good ride this year, and I'm glad we can say that after a very difficult 2011-2012 for Coach and his family (especially), the team and us fans. We are St.John's !!!
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I agree with you completely but it is not what we want to see. We want our beloved redmen to win and the great DLo to average 15 and not 23. He is shouldering too much of the burden at present and doing too good a job.
I cringe when I think of what he told my boys and I 15 months ago . before he ever played a game at SJU. We need him for at least 3 seasons.
 
Logen: "I really don't think the game was called completely unfairly."

Now that is possible. I definitely was very myopically focused on the game - with my pro SJU lenses on... However, I'm not sure I can stomach re-watching to really see how fairly the game was called; I might get cranky re-watching our less than stellar execution in the 2nd half.

It would have been nice to have Sanchez to keep up on the interior play. I felt the game slipped even further along into the abyss when Obekpa picked up his late foul and our interior defense really seemed slip away, which just opened up things even more on the outside.
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Although we should have won the game despite the refs, just think back to the two charge calls early in the game (on Sampson and Greene), and think about the big guy for Murray State barreling over our guys under the basket three times in the second half. None of those calls went our way. All should have gone our way. The refs were bad.
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Didn't see the early calls so I can't comment. Our "charges" were flops and should not have been called IMO. The refs had nothing to do with the loss; we played and coached poorly, especially down the stretch. We can make all the excuses we want but we played like a poorly coached AAU team down the stretch. Hopefully Branch will be the answer but neither Harrison or Greene are point guards and that hurt big time. Murray State took our D to school and we never adjusted. The lack of substituting, especially in the 2nd half and especially situationally, was disappointing. That game was there and if we even play decently in winning time the game is different; we didn't. You always find answers in the mirror not in excuses.
 
Obviously, a very dissapointing end to the game tonight. But, oddly, after a tough loss, I find myself feeling very good about this team. Call me crazy, but this loss reminds me a lot of the Pre-season NIT losses in November of 1998 at the Garden to Stanford and Purdue. You got a glimpse of what this team is capable of, and they were in command of the game against a good opponent. Then, a couple of things didn't go our way and the young talented team responded with a couple of sloppy turnovers and rushed shots to let the game slip away. This team is very talented and very deep. Yes, there are imperfections...especially on the offensive side right now. But, I have a feeling that what we see in January and February will be very different than what we see now and it will have us smiling. The pieces are there. We just need to give it some time.
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Agreed, and while this may be stating the obvious, we're also witnessing one of the greatest Redmen players of all time. D'Angelo Harrison is averaging over 20 points per game against some pretty good early season competition and he's not even shooting well. His drives, hesitation moves and willingness to take every shot if others want to stand around is comendable. His ability to do so and actually convert many of those shots is what makes him special. While we will all look back when he's done here and think highly of his work as a Johnny (and that time may come soon, although I'm still hoping he gives us a third and fourth year), appreciating all he can do as we're watching him is even more fun. We're in for a very good ride this year, and I'm glad we can say that after a very difficult 2011-2012 for Coach and his family (especially), the team and us fans. We are St.John's !!!
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I agree with you completely but it is not what we want to see. We want our beloved redmen to win and the great DLo to average 15 and not 23. He is shouldering too much of the burden at present and doing too good a job.
I cringe when I think of what he told my boys and I 15 months ago . before he ever played a game at SJU. We need him for at least 3 seasons.
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Harrison was 8 for 21 from the field; 2 for 8 from 3, with 2 assists and 5 turnovers. that is 38% of the teams shots taken by one player. He also had an impressive 9 rebounds, played 40 minutes. Throw in Greene's 2 for 9 and our guards took more than 50% of our shots and shot a collective 10 for 30. with 5 assists and 7 turnovers. You can't take stats at face value all the time but that is not good guard play. You should score points when you take 20+ shots, My point is Harrison is a very good player at this time, not nearly an all-time great Johnnie. He has a lot to learn to become a great player. As someone else pointed out, he (and Greene for that matter) did nothiing down the stretch except pound the ball and look for their own even when double-teamed and that is not a formula for winning basketball.
 
Just to be clear, I didn't make excuses about the foul calls. We should have won the game despite all that. However, when another poster asked, I was pointing out the obvious missed calls. And, those were not flops by our guys in the second half. Too much contact for no calls...even if they called us for blocking fouls it would have made more sense than play on.

As for D'Lo, I complete disagree. This team is learning, but also lacking some key parts. He is not a pg, but has to play the position. Some saying he isn't Dwight Hardy is laughable as he's only theee games into his sophomore year. We won't be remembering him as a pg when we look back on his career, but rather as a scorer and competitor. The hesitation moves in the lane at the end of the game were great and led to 2-3 three point plays. That was smart play and I'll take that all the time. I thought many o
f our other guys stopped moving without the ball in the last few minutes leaving little option other than taking it to the hole. The team was tired. The only thing I would have changed with his play at the end was firing up from 3...that wasn't necessary in a 1-2 possession game.
 
Agree with Logen,was at the game.The defense fell apart in the last 8 minutes after the refs made some non bad charging calls. They did not play as a team both on offense and on defense in the last 8 minutes. They should have won the game ,the refs gave the momentum to MSU at the end and the team was not able to handle it
 
[/quote]Harrison did not have one of his better games today. 27 points is nice, but the rest of the team stood around because he wasn't looking to pass - at all, in the second half especially.
He was drawing two defenders every time he drove with the ball, and was forcing mid range floaters when he had open teammates under the basket.
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I thought the same thing...don't mean to kill a kid who played hard and made a lot of big shots, but everyone has to be involved...we have a lot of guys who can break down a defender and need to use them...

Very high on D-lo...and I know it is premature to judge him but not sure that he has the discipline and patience to be a point guard
 
Just to be clear, I didn't make excuses about the foul calls. We should have won the game despite all that. However, when another poster asked, I was pointing out the obvious missed calls. And, those were not flops by our guys in the second half. Too much contact for no calls...even if they called us for blocking fouls it would have made more sense than play on.

As for D'Lo, I complete disagree. This team is learning, but also lacking some key parts. He is not a pg, but has to play the position. Some saying he isn't Dwight Hardy is lauwn theghable as he's only theee games into his sophomore year. We won't be remembering him as a pg w hen we look back on his career, but rather as a scorer and competitor. The hesitation moves in the lane at the enco n the benchd of the game were great and led to 2-3 three point plays. That was smart play and I'll take that all the time. I thought many o
f our other guys stopped moving without the ball in the last few minutes leaving little option other than taking it to the hole. The team was tired. The only thing I would have changed with his play at the end was firing up from 3...that wasn't necessary in a 1-2 possession game.
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Look obviously Lavin gave him the green light Why? Can only think he felt no one else could hit a 3 As I said he should not have had Marco on the bench in the last60 sec Bad coaching down the end
 
Harrison did not have one of his better games today. 27 points is nice, but the rest of the team stood around because he wasn't looking to pass - at all, in the second half especially.
He was drawing two defenders every time he drove with the ball, and was forcing mid range floaters when he had open teammates under the basket.
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I thought the same thing...don't mean to kill a kid who played hard and made a lot of big shots, but everyone has to be involved...we have a lot of guys who can break down a defender and need to use them...

Very high on D-lo...and I know it is premature to judge him but not sure that he has the discipline and patience to be a point guard[/quote]

Has to be more consistent and shoot Higher % from outside the arc
 
D'Angelo shoots best from outside when he can catch and shoot it from someone else. But when he's the primary ball handler, he rushes his outside shot.

When Branch comes back, I think they should platoon Branch and Greene at PG and D'Angelo should stay at SG.
 
Harrison did not have one of his better games today. 27 points is nice, but the rest of the team stood around because he wasn't looking to pass - at all, in the second half especially.
He was drawing two defenders every time he drove with the ball, and was forcing mid range floaters when he had open teammates under the basket.
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I thought the same thing...don't mean to kill a kid who played hard and made a lot of big shots, but everyone has to be involved...we have a lot of guys who can break down a defender and need to use them...

Very high on D-lo...and I know it is premature to judge him but not sure that he has the discipline and patience to be a point guard[/quote]

Neither Harrison or Greene are point guards and that is not in any way to knock them; they are both good, competitive guards. Hopefully Branch will be the goods.
 
Once again without DLo we get blown out.
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I agree 100%, Bobre
But, I also agree with Section 3
I don't think that D'Lo has the discipline or patience to be a PG
At 6'3", if he has a future in the NBA, it would probably have to be as a PG
There aren't many (if any) SG's his size
Looks like another candidate to head to Europe when he's done at St John's
 
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