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[quote="Chicago Days" post=280477]Players are said to read this Board. Does Staff? Boggles my mind, that Mullin was not on campus for Femi's visit. Femi O is our best shot for a quality Grad Big and according to Paultz has two 'other' local schools in the hunt.
What the hell...?[/quote]

Has that ever been confirmed?
 
[quote="RICH KOSIK aka Booksnball KOSIK" post=280480]Well said - chronological commentary. One of the key attributes mentioned when CM was hired and added Mitch R to the staff was that these 2 former NBA greats would be able to use THAT experience to sell recruits on choosing St. John's. I know some mentioned that "todays players" were too young to remember C & M, but serious H.S. players have instant access to video on the Dream Teams, NBA All Star & NBA -Play-off games. Selling THAT should be an ACE in the hole on convincing a recruit "I/WE can get you to the next level". Let's be honest here, The BEST players who the top programs go after have that mind set of getting to that NBA level when they look at what School (ST.JOHN'S) & League (BIG EAST) they will choose.
That said, if you have to be IN IT to WIN IT- then YOU HAVE TO BE ON CAMPUS WHEN A TOP RECRUIT COMES TO VISIT. Unless CM had a family or medical emergency, missed a flight etc., it's hard to come up with a reasonable explanation for his reported recent absence. That GREAT personal practice work ethic, dedication to his game & TEAM while a player will always be respected. He's a COACH now & he's the one who sets the tone for THE PROGRAM. That means leading by words & ACTIONS, not relying on his reputation. St. John's fans are not asking for the impossible when they simply expect you to DO YOUR JOB![/quote]

Great to see you back Rich.
When the handful of of boosters/insiders initiated the firing/hiring of Lavin and Mullin, you knew it was all downhill.
These guys, who haven't been allowed near the program since the Jarvis era, were the kiss of death.
Gonna take forever to clean this up.
I'm too old to be around for that to happen.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=280445]The only thing people should be worried about is Ponds coming back. If he does we will sneak into tourney and everyone can take one year off from worrying and complaining.[/quote]
So that's that's the highest ceiling the fans of this program should aspire too, sneak into one NCAA T (which probably means one and done unless we spring an upset as we would be in a 5-12 or 6-11 game) and then fall back again? You can settle for that while most of the rest of us think we could do better if Mullin just works a little harder at what he promised which was to work hard to bring this program back.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=280501][quote="we are sju" post=280445]The only thing people should be worried about is Ponds coming back. If he does we will sneak into tourney and everyone can take one year off from worrying and complaining.[/quote]
So that's that's the highest ceiling the fans of this program should aspire too, sneak into one NCAA T (which probably means one and done unless we spring an upset as we would be in a 5-12 or 6-11 game) and then fall back again? You can settle for that while most of the rest of us think we could do better if Mullin just works a little harder at what he promised which was to work hard to bring this program back.[/quote]

Bring it back to what? If we make tourney he would duplicate Lavin's body of work. One NCAA in first 4 years. Again I do not care about NIT. I can't name one NIT winner in my lifetime besides us.

If he makes tourney next year he surpasses Norm.

So what we are talking about is bring the program back to the days of the coach everyone around here hates? That is the glory years everyone keeps yipping about? And that was what 16 years ago?

Things have not gone well. Outside of a few outliers, things have not gone well since Louie left. Hiring and firing coaches every 5 years does not seem to work. I think we make tourney next year. Maybe that is the turning point. Otherwise everyone can start ripping Will Brown.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=280482][quote="Chicago Days" post=280477]Players are said to read this Board. Does Staff? Boggles my mind, that Mullin was not on campus for Femi's visit. Femi O is our best shot for a quality Grad Big and according to Paultz has two 'other' local schools in the hunt.
What the hell...?[/quote]

Has that ever been confirmed?[/quote]
 
Yeah you right we are sju. Mullin doing everything right and a fantastic job and this is the best St. John's can do and expect so let's all be ecstatic with the results and cheer cheer for old St. John's, wake up the echoes cheering her name!
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=280508][quote="Mike Zaun" post=280482][quote="Chicago Days" post=280477]Players are said to read this Board. Does Staff? Boggles my mind, that Mullin was not on campus for Femi's visit. Femi O is our best shot for a quality Grad Big and according to Paultz has two 'other' local schools in the hunt.
What the hell...?[/quote]

Has that ever been confirmed?[/quote][/quote]

Yes, i believe that's been the 'feedback': CM was not there..
 
[quote="bamafan" post=280510]Yeah you right we are sju. Mullin doing everything right and a fantastic job and this is the best St. John's can do and expect so let's all be ecstatic with the results and cheer cheer for old St. John's, wake up the echoes cheering her name![/quote]

If you got that from what I posted then you have much bigger problems then your favorite college basketball team disappointing you.
 
We are SJU wrote:Ponds, Clark, Simon!
If Coach Dale were coaching I believe he would say this:

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. These three individuals have made a choice to work, a choice to sacrifice, to put themselves on the line 32 nights for the next 4 months, to represent you the worst fan base in sports history. That kind of commitment and effort deserves and demands your respect. This is your team!

Fully support the team and hoping for the best for them. Having said that, I suspect the three guys you mention above are every bit as anxious that the staff bring in a big man to help as most of us are. Don't want to rest our tournament hopes on the rest of the league getting weaker as the majority of our BE compatriots usually find a way to replace those who leave/graduate.
 
NCJohnnie, to be fair though , you would also miss his frequent early in game 2 fouls in 2 minutes of play leaving him sitting next to Yakwe for 18 minutes ? Or, his non existent rebounding unless the ball found his hands by mistake . I liked Owens as a limited Role player and wished he returned but , at 6’11” he played like a small forward and had no answer for Delgado , Kanter, Govan , Spellman or Paschall . Our fortunes rise and fall with the Ponds, Simon and Clarke trio next season . The new additions will be supporting roles as Owens would have been too. Those 3 have enough to get us to, 9-9 at a minimim or more . They will give other teams fits all season .
 
[quote="we are sju" post=280466]

Obviously going to be perimeter orientated team. Perimeter players will be good enough in a weaker BE to finish at 9-9. Ponds comes back we go 9-9 in BE, Ponds BE POY and we lose 8-9 game in tourney.
Owens was a force on D and that will be missed. But we will have enough to make Tourney.[/quote]

This actually sounds like a crappy season. Losing in 8-9 game isn't good enough at this point.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=280523][quote="we are sju" post=280466]

Obviously going to be perimeter orientated team. Perimeter players will be good enough in a weaker BE to finish at 9-9. Ponds comes back we go 9-9 in BE, Ponds BE POY and we lose 8-9 game in tourney.
Owens was a force on D and that will be missed. But we will have enough to make Tourney.[/quote]

This actually sounds like a crappy season. Losing in 8-9 game isn't good enough at this point.[/quote]

When was our last good season then? Jarvis 2nd season last time we won an NCAA game
 
[quote="we are sju" post=280525][quote="L J S A" post=280523][quote="we are sju" post=280466]

Obviously going to be perimeter orientated team. Perimeter players will be good enough in a weaker BE to finish at 9-9. Ponds comes back we go 9-9 in BE, Ponds BE POY and we lose 8-9 game in tourney.
Owens was a force on D and that will be missed. But we will have enough to make Tourney.[/quote]

This actually sounds like a crappy season. Losing in 8-9 game isn't good enough at this point.[/quote]

When was our last good season then? Jarvis 2nd season last time we won an NCAA game[/quote]

That's irrelevant.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=280530][quote="we are sju" post=280525][quote="L J S A" post=280523][quote="we are sju" post=280466]

Obviously going to be perimeter orientated team. Perimeter players will be good enough in a weaker BE to finish at 9-9. Ponds comes back we go 9-9 in BE, Ponds BE POY and we lose 8-9 game in tourney.
Owens was a force on D and that will be missed. But we will have enough to make Tourney.[/quote]

This actually sounds like a crappy season. Losing in 8-9 game isn't good enough at this point.[/quote]

When was our last good season then? Jarvis 2nd season last time we won an NCAA game[/quote]

That's irrelevant.[/quote]

LJSA indicated he would not be happy with making the NCAA tourney and that in his opinion would be a bad year. Based of the fact that we have not done better than that in 18 years I responded with when was the last time in his opinion we had a good year.
See I was responding to his post responding to my post. Which makes my response the very definition of relevant.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=280531][quote="MJDinkins" post=280530][quote="we are sju" post=280525][quote="L J S A" post=280523][quote="we are sju" post=280466]

Obviously going to be perimeter orientated team. Perimeter players will be good enough in a weaker BE to finish at 9-9. Ponds comes back we go 9-9 in BE, Ponds BE POY and we lose 8-9 game in tourney.
Owens was a force on D and that will be missed. But we will have enough to make Tourney.[/quote]

This actually sounds like a crappy season. Losing in 8-9 game isn't good enough at this point.[/quote]

When was our last good season then? Jarvis 2nd season last time we won an NCAA game[/quote]

That's irrelevant.[/quote]

LJSA indicated he would not be happy with making the NCAA tourney and that in his opinion would be a bad year. Based of the fact that we have not done better than that in 18 years I responded with when was the last time in his opinion we had a good year.
See I was responding to his post responding to my post. Which makes my response the very definition of relevant.[/quote]

Irrelevant to his point.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=280532][quote="we are sju" post=280531][quote="MJDinkins" post=280530][quote="we are sju" post=280525][quote="L J S A" post=280523][quote="we are sju" post=280466]

Obviously going to be perimeter orientated team. Perimeter players will be good enough in a weaker BE to finish at 9-9. Ponds comes back we go 9-9 in BE, Ponds BE POY and we lose 8-9 game in tourney.
Owens was a force on D and that will be missed. But we will have enough to make Tourney.[/quote]

This actually sounds like a crappy season. Losing in 8-9 game isn't good enough at this point.[/quote]

When was our last good season then? Jarvis 2nd season last time we won an NCAA game[/quote]

That's irrelevant.[/quote]

LJSA indicated he would not be happy with making the NCAA tourney and that in his opinion would be a bad year. Based of the fact that we have not done better than that in 18 years I responded with when was the last time in his opinion we had a good year.
See I was responding to his post responding to my post. Which makes my response the very definition of relevant.[/quote]

Irrelevant to his point.[/quote]

Let me explain.
Say a girl is with a guy with a perfectly average penis. If she then one day indicates she wants a guy with a 9 inch penis.... Well there is nothing that guy is going to be able to do for her. She is going to have to try to either get in touch with me or Fran Fraschilla :)
ST John's in it Louie prime is an average penis. In order to get to 9 inches you are going to have to root for someone else.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=280531][quote="MJDinkins" post=280530][quote="we are sju" post=280525][quote="L J S A" post=280523][quote="we are sju" post=280466]

Obviously going to be perimeter orientated team. Perimeter players will be good enough in a weaker BE to finish at 9-9. Ponds comes back we go 9-9 in BE, Ponds BE POY and we lose 8-9 game in tourney.
Owens was a force on D and that will be missed. But we will have enough to make Tourney.[/quote]

This actually sounds like a crappy season. Losing in 8-9 game isn't good enough at this point.[/quote]

When was our last good season then? Jarvis 2nd season last time we won an NCAA game[/quote]

That's irrelevant.[/quote]

LJSA indicated he would not be happy with making the NCAA tourney and that in his opinion would be a bad year. Based of the fact that we have not done better than that in 18 years I responded with when was the last time in his opinion we had a good year.
See I was responding to his post responding to my post. Which makes my response the very definition of relevant.[/quote]

I think we go pretty far if we bring in two serviceable big men. So anything like losing in an 8-9 game -- the tournament game that I'm usually least likely to tune into -- and I'm not happy.

But I guess if we land no big men at all and still sneak into tournament, then I guess a reevaluation would be in order.
 
SLYFOXX1968 wrote: NCJohnnie, to be fair though , you would also miss his frequent early in game 2 fouls in 2 minutes of play leaving him sitting next to Yakwe for 18 minutes ? Or, his non existent rebounding unless the ball found his hands by mistake . I liked Owens as a limited Role player and wished he returned but , at 6’11” he played like a small forward and had no answer for Delgado , Kanter, Govan , Spellman or Paschall . Our fortunes rise and fall with the Ponds, Simon and Clarke trio next season . The new additions will be supporting roles as Owens would have been too. Those 3 have enough to get us to, 9-9 at a minimim or more . They will give other teams fits all season .

Slyfoxx, we can agree to disagree here. While Owens was a role player, he was a very important one. He averaged 38 minutes played and 10 points in our 3 biggest wins (Duke, Nova & Butler). I love Ponds, Simon & Clark but they can't do it alone - witness our record this past year. Team needs another big man to dance next year in my opinion. That was point I was making.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=280523][quote="we are sju" post=280466]

Obviously going to be perimeter orientated team. Perimeter players will be good enough in a weaker BE to finish at 9-9. Ponds comes back we go 9-9 in BE, Ponds BE POY and we lose 8-9 game in tourney.
Owens was a force on D and that will be missed. But we will have enough to make Tourney.[/quote]

This actually sounds like a crappy season. Losing in 8-9 game isn't good enough at this point.[/quote]

It is and it is not the plan. Lavin went 10-8 two years in a row and put 2 players in the NBA and was canned.

The idea that we haven't had an exceptional team since 99-2000 is irrelevant since Mullin came here precisely to move the program out of mediocrity.

9-9 and squeezing into the NCAAs in year 4 as a last 4 in and then falling back to 4-14 is not acceptable and he knows it. The plan is to take a big step next year and be fully relevant in 2 years. Next year can help in recruiting as 2019 is going to be big and can be big. How he does it is ultimately up to CM. Meaning does he tweak the staff, change his approach etc. But I can assure you he did not come here to go 9-9 and then 4-14 and SJU did not make a change to be worse off in 5 years.
 
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