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[quote="Paultzman" post=280303]Rumors were out there re staff changes, but now doubt it.[/quote]
Wondering why was Rice was the only name linked to the rumors. If Rice is too much of a risk for SJU why not not look at other candidates? It seems that one of the existing coaches was slated to move on to make room for Rice.
Wondering why was Rice was the only name linked to the rumors. If Rice is too much of a risk for SJU why not not look at other candidates? It seems that one of the existing coaches was slated to move on to make room for Rice.
[quote="RedStormNC" post=280338]Instead of these tweets from Vaccaro and Braziller, they should be requesting some on the record sit down interviews with Mullin for an in depth Q&A for his perspective on the state of affairs of his program.[/quote]
Exactly. No one wants to ask the tough questions or get under the covers to really see what many things are ailing this program.
Exactly. No one wants to ask the tough questions or get under the covers to really see what many things are ailing this program.
JohnnyFever
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It's times like these I honestly feel like fans could manage the program better and that's very concerning. Someone needs to light a fire under Mullin's arse above him. I know some will say that's the problem: he was given unlimited power. Will Brown is starting to look like coach K by comparison. The experiment has exploded. Let's be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit? At this point I can't even blame Ponds if he leaves. Sounds like the program is a total mess with zero continuity. Before I'm accused of histrionics, be sure to state what I said that isn't true.
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=280375]It's times like these I honestly feel like fans could manage the program better and that's very concerning. Someone needs to light a fire under Mullin's arse above him. I know some will say that's the problem: he was given unlimited power. Will Brown is starting to look like coach K by comparison. The experiment has exploded. Let's be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit? At this point I can't even blame Ponds if he leaves. Sounds like the program is a total mess with zero continuity. Before I'm accused of histrionics, be sure to state what I said that isn't true.[/quote]
What isn't true is the 4 star comment. Williams is a 4 star. Ponds was a 4 star. Simon was a 4 star. LoVett was a 4 star. Yakwe was a 4 star.
Ahmed, Mussini and Clark were 4 star equivalent when they arrived. The rest were 3 star players.
Talent wasn't the main problem. Keeping that talent and filling key vacancies has been a problem.
That's all on the coaches.
What isn't true is the 4 star comment. Williams is a 4 star. Ponds was a 4 star. Simon was a 4 star. LoVett was a 4 star. Yakwe was a 4 star.
Ahmed, Mussini and Clark were 4 star equivalent when they arrived. The rest were 3 star players.
Talent wasn't the main problem. Keeping that talent and filling key vacancies has been a problem.
That's all on the coaches.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=280375]
Mike Zaun wrote:
............Let’s be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit?
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StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr., a 6’3” shooting guard from Lafayette, La. is rated by Rivals as a 4*.
Mike Zaun wrote:
............Let’s be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit?
[/quote]
StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr., a 6’3” shooting guard from Lafayette, La. is rated by Rivals as a 4*.
tom in salem
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[quote="otis" post=280381][quote="Mike Zaun" post=280375]
Mike Zaun wrote:
............Let’s be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit?
[/quote]
StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr., a 6’3” shooting guard from Lafayette, La. is rated by Rivals as a 4*.[/quote]
https://247sports.com/player/greg-williams-91813
Mike Zaun wrote:
............Let’s be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit?
[/quote]
StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr., a 6’3” shooting guard from Lafayette, La. is rated by Rivals as a 4*.[/quote]
https://247sports.com/player/greg-williams-91813
JohnnyFever
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[quote="otis" post=280381][quote="Mike Zaun" post=280375]
Mike Zaun wrote:
............Let’s be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit?
[/quote]
StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr., a 6’3” shooting guard from Lafayette, La. is rated by Rivals as a 4*.[/quote]
Not consensus. I should have added that. He's a 3 star on 247. Ponds was a clear 4 star anywhere you could look. I also said HS recruits, not transfers like Simon. So again, when was the last time we signed a consensus 4 star recruit out of HS? In order to compete consistently, you can't just go get 1 good HS recruit every 4 year cycle and fill in the rest with JUCOS/transfers. Successful programs consistently either recruit good 4 star players every cycle or find underrated recruits from overseas and elsewhere like Gonzaga. We have done neither. From the Owens comments it sounds like he felt the program had no direction or player development and I honestly agree. Especially with our bigs...imagine how easy it is to negatively recruit us with big men. All you have to say is "Look at all the bigs there...they are all leaving because they don't develop".
It seems we wait until we hit rock bottom of rock bottom before we make a change. UConn just fired a head coach that won a NC. Some programs would never do that. Competent programs like them understand that it's not who you are or what you did years ago...it's what you're doing (or not doing) now. They were mediocre for a few years and they pulled the plug before they were in the AAC basement. Sometimes it feels like our program tolerates too much in terms of mediocrity or failure...more so than other programs. If we do not make huge strides next year, we must pull the plug immediately via begging resignation or firing.
Mike Zaun wrote:
............Let’s be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit?
[/quote]
StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr., a 6’3” shooting guard from Lafayette, La. is rated by Rivals as a 4*.[/quote]
Not consensus. I should have added that. He's a 3 star on 247. Ponds was a clear 4 star anywhere you could look. I also said HS recruits, not transfers like Simon. So again, when was the last time we signed a consensus 4 star recruit out of HS? In order to compete consistently, you can't just go get 1 good HS recruit every 4 year cycle and fill in the rest with JUCOS/transfers. Successful programs consistently either recruit good 4 star players every cycle or find underrated recruits from overseas and elsewhere like Gonzaga. We have done neither. From the Owens comments it sounds like he felt the program had no direction or player development and I honestly agree. Especially with our bigs...imagine how easy it is to negatively recruit us with big men. All you have to say is "Look at all the bigs there...they are all leaving because they don't develop".
It seems we wait until we hit rock bottom of rock bottom before we make a change. UConn just fired a head coach that won a NC. Some programs would never do that. Competent programs like them understand that it's not who you are or what you did years ago...it's what you're doing (or not doing) now. They were mediocre for a few years and they pulled the plug before they were in the AAC basement. Sometimes it feels like our program tolerates too much in terms of mediocrity or failure...more so than other programs. If we do not make huge strides next year, we must pull the plug immediately via begging resignation or firing.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=280398]
Mike Zaun wrote:
.......He's a 3 star on 247. [/quote]
I am sure as a StJohn's fan you will be pleased to learn that in addition to being a 4* Rival recruit, StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr.,. is also rated by ESPN as a 4*.
Mike Zaun wrote:
.......He's a 3 star on 247. [/quote]
I am sure as a StJohn's fan you will be pleased to learn that in addition to being a 4* Rival recruit, StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr.,. is also rated by ESPN as a 4*.
JohnnyFever
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[quote="otis" post=280400][quote="Mike Zaun" post=280398]
Mike Zaun wrote:
.......He's a 3 star on 247. [/quote]
I am sure as a StJohn's fan you will be pleased to learn that in addition to being a 4* Rival recruit, StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr.,. is also rated by ESPN as a 4*.[/quote]
Don't get me wrong, he's a solid recruit but not really hearing that he is a game changer like Ponds, Simon, etc. I actually think Dixon will end up being better. You can't say we've recruited well...we haven't. We are relying on transfers as we cannot get HS kids to come at the moment.
Mike Zaun wrote:
.......He's a 3 star on 247. [/quote]
I am sure as a StJohn's fan you will be pleased to learn that in addition to being a 4* Rival recruit, StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr.,. is also rated by ESPN as a 4*.[/quote]
Don't get me wrong, he's a solid recruit but not really hearing that he is a game changer like Ponds, Simon, etc. I actually think Dixon will end up being better. You can't say we've recruited well...we haven't. We are relying on transfers as we cannot get HS kids to come at the moment.
It doesn't need to be Mike Rice. There are plenty of other reasonable candidates.
And I don't have anything against Mitch or GSJ - to the contrary both seem like really good guys and that they care about the success of the program.
It's about winning and accountability. Even with year over year incremental progress, just don't think we've won enough or had enough convincing success recruiting to justify continuing with status quo re: staff, let alone to continue with a retired NBA player with no prior college coaching experience and a 2013 college graduate with no prior college coaching experience. Don't think that's living in the real world and is lacking in accountability if program is serious about taking this thing as high as it can go.
As others have noted moving Mitch back to advisory role seems like win-win: program can continue to benefit from Mitch being around program including player development, while assistant seat is opened for someone whose core competency is coaching college basketball and recruiting college basketball players. GSJ moving to third assistant who focuses on advance scouting and game prep while he learns how to recruit on this level. Matt second chair and lead recruiter. New hire a well-rounded and experienced associate head coach type.
Still would likely be fair question about whether we could do better, but at least this staff structure is more palatable, in line with industry standards, and making some form of change is likely commensurate with results last 12 months at a minimum.
And I don't have anything against Mitch or GSJ - to the contrary both seem like really good guys and that they care about the success of the program.
It's about winning and accountability. Even with year over year incremental progress, just don't think we've won enough or had enough convincing success recruiting to justify continuing with status quo re: staff, let alone to continue with a retired NBA player with no prior college coaching experience and a 2013 college graduate with no prior college coaching experience. Don't think that's living in the real world and is lacking in accountability if program is serious about taking this thing as high as it can go.
As others have noted moving Mitch back to advisory role seems like win-win: program can continue to benefit from Mitch being around program including player development, while assistant seat is opened for someone whose core competency is coaching college basketball and recruiting college basketball players. GSJ moving to third assistant who focuses on advance scouting and game prep while he learns how to recruit on this level. Matt second chair and lead recruiter. New hire a well-rounded and experienced associate head coach type.
Still would likely be fair question about whether we could do better, but at least this staff structure is more palatable, in line with industry standards, and making some form of change is likely commensurate with results last 12 months at a minimum.
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[quote="SJU1512" post=280404]It doesn't need to be Mike Rice. There are plenty of other reasonable candidates.
And I don't have anything against Mitch or GSJ - to the contrary both seem like really good guys and that they care about the success of the program.
It's about winning and accountability. Even with year over year incremental progress, just don't think we've won enough or had enough convincing success recruiting to justify continuing with status quo re: staff, let alone to continue with a retired NBA player with no prior college coaching experience and a 2013 college graduate with no prior college coaching experience. Don't think that's living in the real world and is lacking in accountability if program is serious about taking this thing as high as it can go.
As others have noted moving Mitch back to advisory role seems like win-win: program can continue to benefit from Mitch being around program including player development, while assistant seat is opened for someone whose core competency is coaching college basketball and recruiting college basketball players. GSJ moving to third assistant who focuses on advance scouting and game prep while he learns how to recruit on this level. Matt second chair and lead recruiter. New hire a well-rounded and experienced associate head coach type.
Still would likely be fair question about whether we could do better, but at least this staff structure is more palatable, in line with industry standards, and making some form of change is likely commensurate with results last 12 months at a minimum.[/quote]
Great & fair post
And I don't have anything against Mitch or GSJ - to the contrary both seem like really good guys and that they care about the success of the program.
It's about winning and accountability. Even with year over year incremental progress, just don't think we've won enough or had enough convincing success recruiting to justify continuing with status quo re: staff, let alone to continue with a retired NBA player with no prior college coaching experience and a 2013 college graduate with no prior college coaching experience. Don't think that's living in the real world and is lacking in accountability if program is serious about taking this thing as high as it can go.
As others have noted moving Mitch back to advisory role seems like win-win: program can continue to benefit from Mitch being around program including player development, while assistant seat is opened for someone whose core competency is coaching college basketball and recruiting college basketball players. GSJ moving to third assistant who focuses on advance scouting and game prep while he learns how to recruit on this level. Matt second chair and lead recruiter. New hire a well-rounded and experienced associate head coach type.
Still would likely be fair question about whether we could do better, but at least this staff structure is more palatable, in line with industry standards, and making some form of change is likely commensurate with results last 12 months at a minimum.[/quote]
Great & fair post
JohnnyFever
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I'd go as far as to say that if there are no major staff changes for next year in terms of assistants, Mullin should resign or be fired. Trying to mix things up and having things not work out is one thing. At least you're trying...but doing the same thing year after year after consistent and clear failure is not acceptable. We are hiring someone then we aren't, then we are, now we aren't. It's maddening how no changes are made as nothing improves.
I dont know what exactly Mullin is doing off scene. But he should have been on campus w Femi,who is a must get. I dont even want to think of next year W/O a grad transfer big.He and Mitch should be busting their arses recruiting. If not, they need to hire another assistant.
Class of 72
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[quote="OLV72" post=280409]Pecora knows how to recruit. Last I read he sent Wright one of his best players[/quote]
Pecora was one of the worst coaches in Fordham history. He didn't send anyone to Wright, he was fired in 2015 and in the process screwed St. John's by blocking us from recruiting Paschall.
The only logical move Mullin can make is reverting Mitch Richmond to his original role as it appears that is all he seems to be doing anyway. He is supposed to be working with developing the players but got a negative review by Owens on his way out the door. He never fully moved to NYC unlike Keady and has his entire family in California while he is in a bachelor pad in NYC. I have never heard him having any interest in recruiting or coaching and as I've said before his PR value has faded
Pecora was one of the worst coaches in Fordham history. He didn't send anyone to Wright, he was fired in 2015 and in the process screwed St. John's by blocking us from recruiting Paschall.
The only logical move Mullin can make is reverting Mitch Richmond to his original role as it appears that is all he seems to be doing anyway. He is supposed to be working with developing the players but got a negative review by Owens on his way out the door. He never fully moved to NYC unlike Keady and has his entire family in California while he is in a bachelor pad in NYC. I have never heard him having any interest in recruiting or coaching and as I've said before his PR value has faded
beast of the east
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[quote="Tom in Salem" post=280396][quote="otis" post=280381][quote="Mike Zaun" post=280375]
Mike Zaun wrote:
............Let’s be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit?
[/quote]
StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr., a 6’3” shooting guard from Lafayette, La. is rated by Rivals as a 4*.[/quote]
https://247sports.com/player/greg-williams-91813[/quote]
Tom, you know how much I value and appreciate you, but why don't we just let this recruiting period play out and see how we do next season. I'm as inclined as anyone to be doom and gloom, but unlike many here, I feel last seasons squad began as the best team we had since the Jarvis era. There were many bright spots - the improvement of Ponds, the performance of Simon and Clark, and the contributions of Owens,Ahmed, and Trimble and the final record, to be encouraged.
I agree with your earlier comments about next season in terms of lowering expectations from NCAA bound to something less, but why don't we just see how things develop instead of forecasting horrible results.
Mike Zaun wrote:
............Let’s be real...who's coming in next year? When's the last time we signed a 4 star HS recruit?
[/quote]
StJohn’s incoming recruit Greg Williams, Jr., a 6’3” shooting guard from Lafayette, La. is rated by Rivals as a 4*.[/quote]
https://247sports.com/player/greg-williams-91813[/quote]
Tom, you know how much I value and appreciate you, but why don't we just let this recruiting period play out and see how we do next season. I'm as inclined as anyone to be doom and gloom, but unlike many here, I feel last seasons squad began as the best team we had since the Jarvis era. There were many bright spots - the improvement of Ponds, the performance of Simon and Clark, and the contributions of Owens,Ahmed, and Trimble and the final record, to be encouraged.
I agree with your earlier comments about next season in terms of lowering expectations from NCAA bound to something less, but why don't we just see how things develop instead of forecasting horrible results.
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[quote="OLV72" post=280409]Pecora knows how to recruit. Last I read he sent Wright one of his best players[/quote]
Pecora would be a perfect hire. He was highly valued by Wright, is a local guy who would live here, would not be looking for the next best deal to come along, and the Big East would be an upgrade from Qunnipiac. He had a pretty good run at Hoftsra before failing at Fordham. I don't think he would be looking for another HC job, and I believe he would be an asset here as an assistant.
Pecora would be a perfect hire. He was highly valued by Wright, is a local guy who would live here, would not be looking for the next best deal to come along, and the Big East would be an upgrade from Qunnipiac. He had a pretty good run at Hoftsra before failing at Fordham. I don't think he would be looking for another HC job, and I believe he would be an asset here as an assistant.
[quote="Beast of the East" post=280433][quote="OLV72" post=280409]Pecora knows how to recruit. Last I read he sent Wright one of his best players[/quote]
Pecora would be a perfect hire. He was highly valued by Wright, is a local guy who would live here, would not be looking for the next best deal to come along, and the Big East would be an upgrade from Qunnipiac. He had a pretty good run at Hoftsra before failing at Fordham. I don't think he would be looking for another HC job, and I believe he would be an asset here as an assistant.[/quote]
I agree on Pecora. As for winning at Fordham, it's not like the coaches before or after Pecora have fared any better. I could care less if he blocked Paschall, that was then and this is now.
Pecora would be a perfect hire. He was highly valued by Wright, is a local guy who would live here, would not be looking for the next best deal to come along, and the Big East would be an upgrade from Qunnipiac. He had a pretty good run at Hoftsra before failing at Fordham. I don't think he would be looking for another HC job, and I believe he would be an asset here as an assistant.[/quote]
I agree on Pecora. As for winning at Fordham, it's not like the coaches before or after Pecora have fared any better. I could care less if he blocked Paschall, that was then and this is now.
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