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He probably has the best stamina in the league. Guy never stops moving. I keep dreaming the staff finds a kid who turns into another Klay.
 
It's interesting to compare this team to the 14-15 Lavin team. On paper we honestly had a chance to win the Big East that year. We had ridiculous depth, plenty of bigs, and plenty of guards. The problem was that our offense wasn't really that potent and we relied on Harrison too much. We had pretty good defense under Lavin but offense was usually an issue. These Mullin teams have been ok defensively, but there seems to be more talent offensively. We have more Harrison level guards who can really score instead of relying on 1 main guard. Now we have 3. Part of what gives me reservation going into this season with so much hype is the fact that going into the 14-15 season there was the same amount of hype. And that was after Lavin already proved he could win here. Mullin has yet to even have a .500 year or better. If we really breakout in a big way, I think many Mullin critics like myself will concede that maybe he's not the worst coach, he just didn't have the players until now. If we somehow make the Sweet 16 and then still don't get any major recruits for 2019 though, we will be rebuilding again. By the way, glad to hear student season tickets are sold out for the first time in I think 10+ yrs! That's what we will need big time.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=299601]It's interesting to compare this team to the 14-15 Lavin team. On paper we honestly had a chance to win the Big East that year. We had ridiculous depth, plenty of bigs, and plenty of guards. The problem was that our offense wasn't really that potent and we relied on Harrison too much. We had pretty good defense under Lavin but offense was usually an issue. These Mullin teams have been ok defensively, but there seems to be more talent offensively. We have more Harrison level guards who can really score instead of relying on 1 main guard. Now we have 3. Part of what gives me reservation going into this season with so much hype is the fact that going into the 14-15 season there was the same amount of hype. And that was after Lavin already proved he could win here. Mullin has yet to even have a .500 year or better. If we really breakout in a big way, I think many Mullin critics like myself will concede that maybe he's not the worst coach, he just didn't have the players until now. If we somehow make the Sweet 16 and then still don't get any major recruits for 2019 though, we will be rebuilding again. By the way, glad to hear student season tickets are sold out for the first time in I think 10+ yrs! That's what we will need big time.[/quote]

I don't think we had great depth or bigs in 14-15. We had maybe 6 players who were ready to contribute that year and only one big man that could do anything of worth. You saw what happened when Obekpa would get into foul trouble (Duke, Villanova) or suspended (NCAA Tournament). We definitely have a more balanced attack this year, still lacking big men but hopefully our depth will negate that.
 
Mike Zaun wrote: t's interesting to compare this team to the 14-15 Lavin team. On paper we honestly had a chance to win the Big East that year. We had ridiculous depth, plenty of bigs, and plenty of guards. The problem was that our offense wasn't really that potent and we relied on Harrison too much. We had pretty good defense under Lavin but offense was usually an issue. These Mullin teams have been ok defensively, but there seems to be more talent offensively. We have more Harrison level guards who can really score instead of relying on 1 main guard. Now we have 3. Part of what gives me reservation going into this season with so much hype is the fact that going into the 14-15 season there was the same amount of hype. And that was after Lavin already proved he could win here. Mullin has yet to even have a .500 year or better. If we really breakout in a big way, I think many Mullin critics like myself will concede that maybe he's not the worst coach, he just didn't have the players until now. If we somehow make the Sweet 16 and then still don't get any major recruits for 2019 though, we will be rebuilding again. By the way, glad to hear student season tickets are sold out for the first time in I think 10+ yrs! That's what we will need big time.

If you are going to compare any Lavin team to this one it would be his first team that he inherited from Norm. That team had depth and clutch players like DJ and Hardy. If not for Kennedy's injury, they might have won a few games in the tournament. The 14-15 team was anything but deep, they basically played a six man rotation with Branch coming off bench to join Jordan, Greene, Harrison, Pointer & Obekpa (plus both Obekpa & Jordan missed a few games for various reasons). There was no way that team was winning the BE, they finished 6 gams behind Nova. In my view this year's team should be no worse than top 4 in BE regular season and could easily see them winning a game or two in NCAAs. We'll see.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=299604]Mike Zaun wrote: t's interesting to compare this team to the 14-15 Lavin team. On paper we honestly had a chance to win the Big East that year. We had ridiculous depth, plenty of bigs, and plenty of guards. The problem was that our offense wasn't really that potent and we relied on Harrison too much. We had pretty good defense under Lavin but offense was usually an issue. These Mullin teams have been ok defensively, but there seems to be more talent offensively. We have more Harrison level guards who can really score instead of relying on 1 main guard. Now we have 3. Part of what gives me reservation going into this season with so much hype is the fact that going into the 14-15 season there was the same amount of hype. And that was after Lavin already proved he could win here. Mullin has yet to even have a .500 year or better. If we really breakout in a big way, I think many Mullin critics like myself will concede that maybe he's not the worst coach, he just didn't have the players until now. If we somehow make the Sweet 16 and then still don't get any major recruits for 2019 though, we will be rebuilding again. By the way, glad to hear student season tickets are sold out for the first time in I think 10+ yrs! That's what we will need big time.

If you are going to compare any Lavin team to this one it would be his first team that he inherited from Norm. That team had depth and clutch players like DJ and Hardy. If not for Kennedy's injury, they might have won a few games in the tournament. The 14-15 team was anything but deep, they basically played a six man rotation with Branch coming off bench to join Jordan, Greene, Harrison, Pointer & Obekpa (plus both Obekpa & Jordan missed a few games for various reasons). There was no way that team was winning the BE, they finished 6 gams behind Nova. In my view this year's team should be no worse than top 4 in BE regular season and could easily see them winning a game or two in NCAAs. We'll see.[/quote]

The yeae before had the deep roster. Rysheed as a freshmen plus Jakarr, Sanchez, and Gods gift up front. That was the biggest disappointment during lavins time.
 
I agree completely with Amase - the 13-14 season was Lavin's deepest and most talented team. Harrison, Jordan, Pointer, Phil, Branch and Obekpa plus Sampson and Sanchez up front. Very disappointing not to make the Dance with that team.
 
This is where character and chemistry trumps everything. Get a couple of me-first guys and being an under-achieving disappointment is pretty much set in stone. The beginning and end of the 13-14 season was poetic truth. Also my lowest point ever as a fan, bar none.
 
[quote="RedmanMike" post=299613]I agree completely with Amase - the 13-14 season was Lavin's deepest and most talented team. Harrison, Jordan, Pointer, Phil, Branch and Obekpa plus Sampson and Sanchez up front. Very disappointing not to make the Dance with that team.[/quote]

Also compares very favorably on the rankings front with 6 RSCI top 100 guys on the roster. Agree with Paul, that season was a more than a bit depressing starting with the NYE loss to Xavier at a bar somewhere in CT before my niece's wedding, 0-5 start in BET, losing essentially what was a play in game at the BET to Prov and then the Robert Morris embarrassment. Reminds me a bit of last year in fact, even though they won 20 games.
 
The stubbornness from Mullin would be much more tolerable if he was actually winning and seemed to know what he was doing pretty well. If you consistently fail AND you are stubborn, then that's major problem that can't be remedied. Let's hope he gets it together this year. Still concerned this year after URI and that exhibition last night. I don't think I've watched a St. John's game yet where I can say Mullin outcoached the opposing coach. It just always seems that the opponent has a plan and plays as a team while we look like we just put a team together on the first day. That's okay in year 1 not year 4.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=300097]The stubbornness from Mullin would be much more tolerable if he was actually winning and seemed to know what he was doing pretty well. If you consistently fail AND you are stubborn, then that's major problem that can't be remedied. Let's hope he gets it together this year. Still concerned this year after URI and that exhibition last night. I don't think I've watched a St. John's game yet where I can say Mullin outcoached the opposing coach. It just always seems that the opponent has a plan and plays as a team while we look like we just put a team together on the first day. That's okay in year 1 not year 4.[/quote]

Can you point to a single undeniable issue where Mullin was stubborn? Maybe I've missed something by being away, or maybe you are just speculating mostly on hearsay posted here?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=300104][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300097]The stubbornness from Mullin would be much more tolerable if he was actually winning and seemed to know what he was doing pretty well. If you consistently fail AND you are stubborn, then that's major problem that can't be remedied. Let's hope he gets it together this year. Still concerned this year after URI and that exhibition last night. I don't think I've watched a St. John's game yet where I can say Mullin outcoached the opposing coach. It just always seems that the opponent has a plan and plays as a team while we look like we just put a team together on the first day. That's okay in year 1 not year 4.[/quote]

Can you point to a single undeniable issue where Mullin was stubborn? Maybe I've missed something by being away, or maybe you are just speculating mostly on hearsay posted here?[/quote]

Well we shall see what we shall see - ONCE - the new seemingly talented AD and our HC Mullin start to work together - or apart - if there is progress to include e.g. a better staff and more scrutiny of work ethics -
well then Chris Mullin and Mike Cragg will be creating synergy, music and there is a dearth of stubbornness.

I hope they both stay for the long, successful haul.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=300104][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300097]The stubbornness from Mullin would be much more tolerable if he was actually winning and seemed to know what he was doing pretty well. If you consistently fail AND you are stubborn, then that's major problem that can't be remedied. Let's hope he gets it together this year. Still concerned this year after URI and that exhibition last night. I don't think I've watched a St. John's game yet where I can say Mullin outcoached the opposing coach. It just always seems that the opponent has a plan and plays as a team while we look like we just put a team together on the first day. That's okay in year 1 not year 4.[/quote]

Can you point to a single undeniable issue where Mullin was stubborn? Maybe I've missed something by being away, or maybe you are just speculating mostly on hearsay posted here?[/quote]

It's just Zaun being Zaun.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=300104][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300097]The stubbornness from Mullin would be much more tolerable if he was actually winning and seemed to know what he was doing pretty well. If you consistently fail AND you are stubborn, then that's major problem that can't be remedied. Let's hope he gets it together this year. Still concerned this year after URI and that exhibition last night. I don't think I've watched a St. John's game yet where I can say Mullin outcoached the opposing coach. It just always seems that the opponent has a plan and plays as a team while we look like we just put a team together on the first day. That's okay in year 1 not year 4.[/quote]

Can you point to a single undeniable issue where Mullin was stubborn? Maybe I've missed something by being away, or maybe you are just speculating mostly on hearsay posted here?[/quote]

Mullin walked up to me the other day, announced "I, Chris Mullin, am stubborn" and signed a document for me reviewed by lawyers. Is that enough proof for ya? I also had someone record it on video.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=300104][quote="Mike Zaun" post=300097]The stubbornness from Mullin would be much more tolerable if he was actually winning and seemed to know what he was doing pretty well. If you consistently fail AND you are stubborn, then that's major problem that can't be remedied. Let's hope he gets it together this year. Still concerned this year after URI and that exhibition last night. I don't think I've watched a St. John's game yet where I can say Mullin outcoached the opposing coach. It just always seems that the opponent has a plan and plays as a team while we look like we just put a team together on the first day. That's okay in year 1 not year 4.[/quote]

Can you point to a single undeniable issue where Mullin was stubborn? Maybe I've missed something by being away, or maybe you are just speculating mostly on hearsay posted here?[/quote]

We've been having a dialogue in the Mitch Richmond thread that touched on doing things "the Mullin way". The single undeniable issue where Mullin's way (stubbornness? ) has been a problem is the Slice contract issue. As a result, fans have been debating the school’s financial ability to replace Slice when Mullin chose to mysteriously end his relationship with his hand chosen associate head coach. THAT is not hearsay.
What is also not hearsay is a long list of critical reviews of Mullin's NBA management style and decision making. They are attached for your reading enjoyment.
Over 8 years ago a poster not happy with the selection of Steve Lavin as coach posted a blog by a disgruntled UCLA fan that was used constantly when justifying the steady downfall of the Lavin era. Perhaps we will do a better job of vetting future coaches if we read between the lines of many critiques about our candidates.
Mullin's management style was fairly easy to research for anyone really interested. So, don't blame Mike Zaun, me or Paultzman when that information is posted. There is fake news and there is hearsay. None of it applies to Chris Mullin in his current role. Only the final record will speak for itself.


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I have been taking a wait and see approach with regard to Mullin and this staff from the beginning. But, now I have to say, with this roster , with this schedule and with the Big East being in a sort of transition year, if Mullin and the staff can't win 25 games with this team under these circumstances something needs to change.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=300286]I have been taking a wait and see approach with regard to Mullin and this staff from the beginning. But, now I have to say, with this roster , with this schedule and with the Big East being in a sort of transition year, if Mullin and the staff can't win 25 games with this team under these circumstances something needs to change.[/quote] totally get your point. This is the year for domination ( anything can happen in the tourney but the season should show the progress )
 
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