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[quote="rawdognyc" post=285579]Are we sure Calipari goes to his players graduations? Wait... They don't graduate[/quote]

I seriously doubt that coaching staffs of every sport attend commencement each year at any school, nor are they required to or expected to be there.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=286030][quote="rawdognyc" post=285579]Are we sure Calipari goes to his players graduations? Wait... They don't graduate[/quote]

I seriously doubt that coaching staffs of every sport attend commencement each year at any school, nor are they required to or expected to be there.[/quote]

Except if Lavin was out on the west coast for some NBA presentation during graduation, you'd have a completely different spin. I digress.

Hope there are things going on beyond the scenes that we are not privy to. Whether it's Rice or someone else with experience, an experienced hire will not only help the players but will also help the coaches.
 
[quote="Moose" post=285932][quote="L J S A" post=285928][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=285926]With regards to Rice, I'm very skeptical that could ever happen given staff's stubbornness and theory that if Matt and Slice couldn't co-exist, how is he going to co-exist with Mike Rice?[/quote]

We need a second recruiter badly. And if Matt doesn't get along with the next one, maybe the person who twice had an issue is the problem.[/quote]

I don't think Matt will have a problem with this one if it comes true.[/quote]

And even if he does Rice will smash a ball off his head
 
[quote="panther2" post=285964][quote="L J S A" post=285928][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=285926]With regards to Rice, I'm very skeptical that could ever happen given staff's stubbornness and theory that if Matt and Slice couldn't co-exist, how is he going to co-exist with Mike Rice?[/quote]

We need a second recruiter badly. And if Matt doesn't get along with the next one, maybe the person who twice had an issue is the problem.[/quote]




Matt did not fire Slice, Chris did. To me, this means that Chris was not happy with the job that Slice was doing. I can't see any positive results that Slice brought to the table. On the recruiting trail, he struck out. Let's stop with the speculation and deal with the facts, Slice was an awful hire. Don't understand why some on here are still trying to defend him.[/quote]

Just to set the record straight Chris did not "fire" Slice. From my understanding Chris wanted Slice to step down which would have annulled his contract. Chris was a great player but a piss poor manager and it backfired. Thus, in year four Slice is on full salary and Chris has been splitting beans with Bobby.
I'm not defending Slice but he attended every function with Chris in his 12 months on the job. I saw him recruiting locally and he made contact with every available 5 star recruit in his first 6 months on the job. He brought on board the only serviceable player in Mullin’s first year while Matt gave us Ron Moulvika or whatever his name was. BTW, most of Matt's recruits have left the farm.
We can argue that Mullin was not happy with the job Slice was supposed to do as "associate head coach" but the "head coach" wasn't even "coaching" the team in those 12 months. A 25 year old kid named Greg St Jean was and the kid who grew up down the block from Chris Mullin was actually the associate head coach. THAT was part of the problem.
No matter how we spin it that "bad hire" is costing St. John's close to $600 grand per year which was more than the salary of coach Musselman at Nevada who still earns half of Chris Mullin's OJT salary with the results not bring anywhere near comparable.
Those are facts and our opinions won't change the record. .......for the record.;)
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=286047][quote="Moose" post=285932][quote="L J S A" post=285928][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=285926]With regards to Rice, I'm very skeptical that could ever happen given staff's stubbornness and theory that if Matt and Slice couldn't co-exist, how is he going to co-exist with Mike Rice?[/quote]

We need a second recruiter badly. And if Matt doesn't get along with the next one, maybe the person who twice had an issue is the problem.[/quote]

I don't think Matt will have a problem with this one if it comes true.[/quote]

And even if he does Rice will smash a ball off his head[/quote]

I think he might throw it over his head
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=286050][quote="panther2" post=285964][quote="L J S A" post=285928][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=285926]With regards to Rice, I'm very skeptical that could ever happen given staff's stubbornness and theory that if Matt and Slice couldn't co-exist, how is he going to co-exist with Mike Rice?[/quote]

We need a second recruiter badly. And if Matt doesn't get along with the next one, maybe the person who twice had an issue is the problem.[/quote]




Matt did not fire Slice, Chris did. To me, this means that Chris was not happy with the job that Slice was doing. I can't see any positive results that Slice brought to the table. On the recruiting trail, he struck out. Let's stop with the speculation and deal with the facts, Slice was an awful hire. Don't understand why some on here are still trying to defend him.[/quote]

Just to set the record straight Chris did not "fire" Slice. From my understanding Chris wanted Slice to step down which would have annulled his contract. Chris was a great player but a piss poor manager and it backfired. Thus, in year four Slice is on full salary and Chris has been splitting beans with Bobby.
I'm not defending Slice but he attended every function with Chris in his 12 months on the job. I saw him recruiting locally and he made contact with every available 5 star recruit in his first 6 months on the job. He brought on board the only serviceable player in Mullin’s first year while Matt gave us Ron Moulvika or whatever his name was. BTW, most of Matt's recruits have left the farm.
We can argue that Mullin was not happy with the job Slice was supposed to do as "associate head coach" but the "head coach" wasn't even "coaching" the team in those 12 months. A 25 year old kid named Greg St Jean was and the kid who grew up down the block from Chris Mullin was actually the associate head coach. THAT was part of the problem.
No matter how we spin it that "bad hire" is costing St. John's close to $600 grand per year which was more than the salary of coach Musselman at Nevada who still earns half of Chris Mullin's OJT salary with the results not bring anywhere near comparable.
Those are facts and our opinions won't change the record. .......for the record.;)[/quote]

Even if the hire was a bad hire that is on Mullin anyway.

But I can tell you I heard similar to the above and more importantly Chris did a bad job managing it and making it work. Regardless the entire sordid episode is on the head coach he screwed that up. Whether Matt had too much influence or Slice was screwed over all of it is the responsibility of the head coach. All of it reflects poorly on him. None of this would happen at a Duke or UK or Nova simply because the HC at those schools would never allow that to happen. Becsuse they are accountable for THEIR program.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=286055][quote="Class of 72" post=286050][quote="panther2" post=285964][quote="L J S A" post=285928][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=285926]With regards to Rice, I'm very skeptical that could ever happen given staff's stubbornness and theory that if Matt and Slice couldn't co-exist, how is he going to co-exist with Mike Rice?[/quote]

We need a second recruiter badly. And if Matt doesn't get along with the next one, maybe the person who twice had an issue is the problem.[/quote]




Matt did not fire Slice, Chris did. To me, this means that Chris was not happy with the job that Slice was doing. I can't see any positive results that Slice brought to the table. On the recruiting trail, he struck out. Let's stop with the speculation and deal with the facts, Slice was an awful hire. Don't understand why some on here are still trying to defend him.[/quote]

Just to set the record straight Chris did not "fire" Slice. From my understanding Chris wanted Slice to step down which would have annulled his contract. Chris was a great player but a piss poor manager and it backfired. Thus, in year four Slice is on full salary and Chris has been splitting beans with Bobby.
I'm not defending Slice but he attended every function with Chris in his 12 months on the job. I saw him recruiting locally and he made contact with every available 5 star recruit in his first 6 months on the job. He brought on board the only serviceable player in Mullin’s first year while Matt gave us Ron Moulvika or whatever his name was. BTW, most of Matt's recruits have left the farm.
We can argue that Mullin was not happy with the job Slice was supposed to do as "associate head coach" but the "head coach" wasn't even "coaching" the team in those 12 months. A 25 year old kid named Greg St Jean was and the kid who grew up down the block from Chris Mullin was actually the associate head coach. THAT was part of the problem.
No matter how we spin it that "bad hire" is costing St. John's close to $600 grand per year which was more than the salary of coach Musselman at Nevada who still earns half of Chris Mullin's OJT salary with the results not bring anywhere near comparable.
Those are facts and our opinions won't change the record. .......for the record.;)[/quote]

Even if the hire was a bad hire that is on Mullin anyway.

But I can tell you I heard similar to the above and more importantly Chris did a bad job managing it and making it work. Regardless the entire sordid episode is on the head coach he screwed that up. Whether Matt had too much influence or Slice was screwed over all of it is the responsibility of the head coach. All of it reflects poorly on him. None of this would happen at a Duke or UK or Nova simply because the HC at those schools would never allow that to happen. Becsuse they are accountable for THEIR program.[/quote]

We now know that Chris was not ready to be a HC in the Big East. He made many mistakes with personnel that first year.
How many of us have made bad hires?
I submit he did 'fire' his buddy Slice. He told him it wasn't working out and Slice had to go.
The fact that Slice is getting paid per his contract is 'normal' if one is let go 'without cause'--a category that does not include under-performance, incompetence, laziness, or simple snarkiness.
Yes,that sorry episode is on Mullin.
But that first year record is not. He 'inherited' a decimated roster.
And it's been a struggle to recover from that vacuum.
However, this roster (with Ponds) is the best St. John's roster in a long time. It offers hope.
My issue with CM is reports of him 'not being there' at myriad events.
If 'family issues' are the reason for that, I hope the buzz that those issues may get resolved over the next year are true.
At this point, we need the Staff to be infused with a new AC. Word/rumor is that may happen.
Fabulous.
Ideally, we also need a 'mystery' Grad Big to provide depth for this team to lead us out of the wilderness into the bright lights of success in the BEC and the NCAAs.
Let's go Johnnies.

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To the Contrary , it would seem that Mullin has earned a lot of credibility and loyalty from several of his Players and , their Parents . Yes, there are exceptions surely . We know some Players felt their Roles should have been higher but, that happens on a great many teams. Additionally , more than a few kudos too, from kids being Recruited and their Parents . I do believe Justin Gaffney’s Dad has commented favorably on Mullin’s attention to his Son . It appears too, that Ponds and his family are quite happy with Mullin’s Coaching . And , appear to value his input for Shamorie’s future .
 
[quote="we are sju" post=286058]3,000. Some get their 3,000 on a homer I am going with a bunt single. It all looks like a line drive the next day.[/quote]

All of a sudden stats matter.
 
[quote="Chris7" post=286031][quote="Beast of the East" post=286030][quote="rawdognyc" post=285579]Are we sure Calipari goes to his players graduations? Wait... They don't graduate[/quote]

I seriously doubt that coaching staffs of every sport attend commencement each year at any school, nor are they required to or expected to be there.[/quote]

Except if Lavin was out on the west coast for some NBA presentation during graduation, you'd have a completely different spin. I digress.

Hope there are things going on beyond the scenes that we are not privy to. Whether it's Rice or someone else with experience, an experienced hire will not only help the players but will also help the coaches.[/quote]

That would be true except for the fact that I periodically exchange warm messages with Lavin, and I was in favor of him being retained. Other than that you are still completely wrong because coaches don't go to commencement.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=286055][quote="Class of 72" post=286050][quote="panther2" post=285964][quote="L J S A" post=285928][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=285926]With regards to Rice, I'm very skeptical that could ever happen given staff's stubbornness and theory that if Matt and Slice couldn't co-exist, how is he going to co-exist with Mike Rice?[/quote]

We need a second recruiter badly. And if Matt doesn't get along with the next one, maybe the person who twice had an issue is the problem.[/quote]




Matt did not fire Slice, Chris did. To me, this means that Chris was not happy with the job that Slice was doing. I can't see any positive results that Slice brought to the table. On the recruiting trail, he struck out. Let's stop with the speculation and deal with the facts, Slice was an awful hire. Don't understand why some on here are still trying to defend him.[/quote]

Just to set the record straight Chris did not "fire" Slice. From my understanding Chris wanted Slice to step down which would have annulled his contract. Chris was a great player but a piss poor manager and it backfired. Thus, in year four Slice is on full salary and Chris has been splitting beans with Bobby.
I'm not defending Slice but he attended every function with Chris in his 12 months on the job. I saw him recruiting locally and he made contact with every available 5 star recruit in his first 6 months on the job. He brought on board the only serviceable player in Mullin’s first year while Matt gave us Ron Moulvika or whatever his name was. BTW, most of Matt's recruits have left the farm.
We can argue that Mullin was not happy with the job Slice was supposed to do as "associate head coach" but the "head coach" wasn't even "coaching" the team in those 12 months. A 25 year old kid named Greg St Jean was and the kid who grew up down the block from Chris Mullin was actually the associate head coach. THAT was part of the problem.
No matter how we spin it that "bad hire" is costing St. John's close to $600 grand per year which was more than the salary of coach Musselman at Nevada who still earns half of Chris Mullin's OJT salary with the results not bring anywhere near comparable.
Those are facts and our opinions won't change the record. .......for the record.;)[/quote]

Even if the hire was a bad hire that is on Mullin anyway.

But I can tell you I heard similar to the above and more importantly Chris did a bad job managing it and making it work. Regardless the entire sordid episode is on the head coach he screwed that up. Whether Matt had too much influence or Slice was screwed over all of it is the responsibility of the head coach. All of it reflects poorly on him. None of this would happen at a Duke or UK or Nova simply because the HC at those schools would never allow that to happen. Becsuse they are accountable for THEIR program.[/quote]

I think that the problem with Slice was the title Associate HC. He got it in his head that since Chris had no experience that everyone, including Chris, was his subordinate, and proceeded to try to take over the team. In process he pissed off Matt, and eventually Chris as well. At 500K per year, it's not a good idea to engage in wars, no less with a kid who already earned his strike at Iowa State and would bust it on the recruiting trail.

In the end Chris should have jumped in sooner, and EVERYONE should have been aware of the guaranteed contract and try to work it out. In the end, maybe Slice was aware of it and thought he was teflon, and financially, he was.
 
Regarding the Slice debacle, I hope the program can move on better than us fans. It was a horrible hire that many (including me) initially thought was strong. It caused a problem which we must now move past. Done.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=286077]Regarding the Slice debacle, I hope the program can move on better than us fans. It was a horrible hire that many (including me) initially thought was strong. It caused a problem which we must now move past. Done.[/quote]

When his SJU contract is up. We can stop talking
 
[quote="Moose" post=286079][quote="JohnnyFan" post=286077]Regarding the Slice debacle, I hope the program can move on better than us fans. It was a horrible hire that many (including me) initially thought was strong. It caused a problem which we must now move past. Done.[/quote]

When his SJU contract is up. We can stop talking[/quote]

Bingo!
Regardless of the source of the funds alma mater is coughing up 600K per year that has been directly affecting the basketball program.
It has hindered the ability of Mullin to hire a "direct replacement" without rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
It has engendered bad blood with few very high profile coaching legends.
It was Mullin who decided to hire Slice as the associate "HEAD COACH". A couple of supporters closer to the situation have said Slice was blindsided by the ultimate role handed to St. Jean. Matt was tangential to the hierarchical dispute as he was super low on the "coaching" totem pole. Salary became the issue with Matt, not Slice's role which was poorly defined during Mullin’s outreach to him.
Had Slice's performance been the issue he would not be on salary as we speak.
This all points to Mullin’s performance in those first 12 months but became convenient for Slice to be the fall guy.
An inexperienced head coach, an inexperienced new College President, a chief counsel that should have been fired, and finally, a lame duck A.D. that no one respected were all factors. As a previous poster adroitly pointed out, in the end it falls on the head coach who should have managed the situation better.
 
Response in general to a substantial number of the above comments:

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[quote="OhioFan" post=286088]Response in general to a substantial number of the above comments:

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[quote="Class of 72" post=286094][quote="OhioFan" post=286088]Response in general to a substantial number of the above comments:

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[quote="OhioFan" post=286099][quote="Class of 72" post=286094][quote="OhioFan" post=286088]Response in general to a substantial number of the above comments:

insert:>> Beating a Dead Horse
 
[quote="OhioFan" post=286099][quote="Class of 72" post=286094][quote="OhioFan" post=286088]Response in general to a substantial number of the above comments:

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