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[quote="rawdognyc" post=285210][quote="Chicago Days" post=285207][quote="rawdognyc" post=285205]Paultz and some others have more of a finger on the pulse of the team than the rest of us. So my question to Paultz and 72, is would it be best to cut ties with Chris after this next season, no matter the outcome? I like and support Chris, however I just don't think he has the fire in his belly to make this a long time gig. So with that said, and for program continuity, what are the chances that majority of the staff stay on, except for Chris and Mitch? I honestly would love for GSJ to become the next head coach. You can see the fire that burns in his belly. I think Greg as the HC, with Matt as his top assistant wouldn't be all that bad. Especially if they can bring in a couple of other experienced assistants.. 1 more recruiter and a big man coach. I kind of liked when Zendon was helping out. IDK.. Just bored and looking for opinions. Thanks[/quote]

IMO, there's no way the Administration or most posters on this Board, including me, would call for CM to leave after next season IF he has an NCAA Tournament-qualifying season.
I think the hope--if not the gut--is that things break well professionally and personally for Chris , he and his family relocate back East, and he stays through a contract extension.
We shall see.[/quote]

I'm totally fine with that. I feel next year we are easy 20 plus wins. I like having Chris as coach. I guess my only issue is what I take away from the board about him not recruiting and so forth. That's I guess why I posed my original question, about whether or not next year is successful does he walk away, but give the reigns to some of the current staff? Just get worried about some of the noise I hear on here about his personal issues and him not really wanting to do what other head coaches do.[/quote]

I hear you, rawdognyc.
As you intimated initially, only a few have any of the real skinny of what's going on with Chris and his situation and the question of any 'fire in the belly'.
The rest of us are in hoping/praying mode, with most of us rooting for Chris the man and St. John's.
 
Chicago Days wrote: rawdognyc wrote: Paultz and some others have more of a finger on the pulse of the team than the rest of us. So my question to Paultz and 72, is would it be best to cut ties with Chris after this next season, no matter the outcome? I like and support Chris, however I just don't think he has the fire in his belly to make this a long time gig. So with that said, and for program continuity, what are the chances that majority of the staff stay on, except for Chris and Mitch? I honestly would love for GSJ to become the next head coach. You can see the fire that burns in his belly. I think Greg as the HC, with Matt as his top assistant wouldn't be all that bad. Especially if they can bring in a couple of other experienced assistants.. 1 more recruiter and a big man coach. I kind of liked when Zendon was helping out. IDK.. Just bored and looking for opinions. Thanks

IMO, there's no way the Administration or most posters on this Board, including me, would call for CM to leave after next season IF he has an NCAA Tournament-qualifying season.
I think the hope--if not the gut--is that things break well professionally and personally for Chris , he and his family relocate back East, and he stays through a contract extension.
We shall see.

Chicago, agree. It is amazing the extreme positions taken with regard to Mullin. There is a certain group of posters who have the view that he doesn't really care, no fire in the belly, sees his coaching as a favor to the school etc.; another group of posters believe Chris is consumed with a passion to bring SJU back to the glory days and will do whatever he humanly can to get us there. I am of the view that Chris really does want to get us back to where we used to be and can be, but this desire is complicated by his family being unexpectedly across the country and everything that entails, particularly in the offseason. I also take note of Class of 72's point that Chris has a reputation of being stubborn. He did come under criticism for that during his years in NBA management on the west coast. The seeming lack of a second recruiter is troubling, especially since so many seem to recognize it, but nothing is done.
However, there is no question that (i) his core group of players stayed the course under the most adverse circumstances last year; (ii) in game coaching improved markedly last year; and (iii) he has brought in some very good talent that will hopefully get us to the dance in 2018-2019. I think we all agree that getting two very solid recruits in the 2019 class is crucial and the reliance on transfers needs to change as he builds the program going forward. Having said that, another coaching change is the last thing we should be hoping for. Success and continuity generally go hand-in-hand. As you would say Chicago, let's go Johnnies.
 
here is an interesting question and not pertaining to Mullin exclusively. ( I should probably put this on the all things Maher thread )

This years schedule is looking to be significantly weaker than last year. As my good friend OLV72 texted to us last night we might need 22 to 23 wins to make the NCAA.

Personally I loved the schedule last year but this year with what I personally think will be a down big east I'm not crazy about the schedule
 
See how program progresses this year & go from there from winning & recruiting perspective.
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=285214]Chicago Days wrote: rawdognyc wrote: Paultz and some others have more of a finger on the pulse of the team than the rest of us. So my question to Paultz and 72, is would it be best to cut ties with Chris after this next season, no matter the outcome? I like and support Chris, however I just don't think he has the fire in his belly to make this a long time gig. So with that said, and for program continuity, what are the chances that majority of the staff stay on, except for Chris and Mitch? I honestly would love for GSJ to become the next head coach. You can see the fire that burns in his belly. I think Greg as the HC, with Matt as his top assistant wouldn't be all that bad. Especially if they can bring in a couple of other experienced assistants.. 1 more recruiter and a big man coach. I kind of liked when Zendon was helping out. IDK.. Just bored and looking for opinions. Thanks

IMO, there's no way the Administration or most posters on this Board, including me, would call for CM to leave after next season IF he has an NCAA Tournament-qualifying season.
I think the hope--if not the gut--is that things break well professionally and personally for Chris , he and his family relocate back East, and he stays through a contract extension.
We shall see.

Chicago, agree. It is amazing the extreme positions taken with regard to Mullin. There is a certain group of posters who have the view that he doesn't really care, no fire in the belly, sees his coaching as a favor to the school etc.; another group of posters believe Chris is consumed with a passion to bring SJU back to the glory days and will do whatever he humanly can to get us there. I am of the view that Chris really does want to get us back to where we used to be and can be, but this desire is complicated by his family being unexpectedly across the country and everything that entails, particularly in the offseason. I also take note of Class of 72's point that Chris has a reputation of being stubborn. He did come under criticism for that during his years in NBA management on the west coast. The seeming lack of a second recruiter is troubling, especially since so many seem to recognize it, but nothing is done.
However, there is no question that (i) his core group of players stayed the course under the most adverse circumstances last year; (ii) in game coaching improved markedly last year; and (iii) he has brought in some very good talent that will hopefully get us to the dance in 2018-2019. I think we all agree that getting two very solid recruits in the 2019 class is crucial and the reliance on transfers needs to change as he builds the program going forward. Having said that, another coaching change is the last thing we should be hoping for. Success and continuity generally go hand-in-hand. As you would say Chicago, let's go Johnnies.[/quote]

Lol. You nailed it again, NCJohnnie. Thanks man.
 
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=285220]We'll know on November 21st if he gets another.
Strike out again and the ensuing season in inconsequential.[/quote]

So you are not predicting a 30 win season next year?
 
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=285220]We'll know on November 21st if he gets another.
Strike out again and the ensuing season in inconsequential.[/quote]

Okay, the end of the early commitment season.
While I agree, this Board will be gnashing its gums IF we fail to get a key early commitment, it would be way-too-early in the season to write the season or the final recruiting tally off.
But I agree Tom: zeroes on the scoreboard on that date would raise the stress levels mightily on Redmen.com.
 
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After how good the starting 5 was last with no bench, I think Mullins deserves this year, see how he coaches this year with depth. With some key returnees (Ponds, Clark and Simon), to add a capable bench (unlike last year), to me there no excuse why we can't make the NCAA.
If Chris goes 4 yrs and nothing, then he should go.

He didn't want no help from an experience coach, didn't bring in another recruiter.
OK cool, let him do it his way, he thinks he can win with this staff? GREAT.
Time to prove it can work.
 
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=285216]here is an interesting question and not pertaining to Mullin exclusively. ( I should probably put this on the all things Maher thread )

This years schedule is looking to be significantly weaker than last year. As my good friend OLV72 texted to us last night we might need 22 to 23 wins to make the NCAA.

Personally I loved the schedule last year but this year with what I personally think will be a down big east I'm not crazy about the schedule[/quote]

After last year, I'll watch preseason, but really get into it during BE play.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=285139][quote="Mike Zaun" post=285135]Kind of brings to mind the person who walks into the job knowing no one can tell them anything (maybe they are family of the boss or something) vs. the hungry younger guy fighting to move up the ladder. It does seem they see it as a favor to us rather than having standards they must meet. I'm sure we pushed hard to get him to come, but thus far he has not panned out at all. You need to know when to pull the plug or you risk the program becoming more and more irrelevant with each passing year. 1 more year to decide his fate IMO.[/quote]


I ignore 90% of your posts because reading 10% guves you the fkavor. Can you just try to give it a rest[/quote]

My advice would be to keep scrolling and make it 100%. Don't get why that's so hard for so many people. You're the one veering off topic while I stay on topic. My post on JohnnyJungle was when I was brand new and didn't know how to PM or anything...what would you guys do if you paid something like $30 for a shirt and never received it a month later? I asked for a refund and he was acting like a jerk over something that was his problem to begin with (not giving a customer the item he paid for a month ago). Not sure why that's so controversial, but whatever that was like 6 years ago.

I'd like to stay on topic here though...by the way if Mullin does make the tourney next year, I would extend him. Hopefully the recruiting would pick up then.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=284898]Anton Goff and Joe Oliva seem like decent guys, but doubt either provides Chris with any guidance, constructive criticism or evaluation. My guess is our President is the last man standing in that regard. How that works would be interesting to see.

Lastly, it is my impression that administration expected Chris to be consistently involved in fundraising efforts and events, in light of their financial commitment to the program. Hopefully that has occurred.

SJU, from what a number of folks have told me, is facing a number of financial challenges. One example the NYS Excelsior Free College Tuition Program which has adversely effected SJU enrollment. In such trying times, an all hands on deck effort seems prudent. In my opinion, a nationally recognized guy like Chris could really be a key resource meeting this challenge.[/quote]

I've been saying this for a while now, no one on here wanted to buy into it. The school is in financial trouble. Makes me wonder if that's why we have less games at MSG, they don't want to pay. Who knows.

As for Mullin, I'd have no problem with him being as hands off as he is, *IF* he had a supporting staff to do so. By all accounts Matt is out there busting his ass left and right. He can't do it alone. Just like a young kid can't in-game coach alone. The good old Brooklyn stubbornness seems as if it may bite CM in the ass at the end of the day. He needs to get with the program. Now.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=285234]We make the NCAA next year he feels vindicated and mutual retirement[/quote]

I definitely see this as a possible scenario. In order to resurrect a program like St. John's, the head coach needs to eat, sleep and breathe the job 24/7. At this point in his life, I don't think Chris is there. Hopefully, he releases us so we can pursue what we need.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=285262][quote="mjmaherjr" post=285234]We make the NCAA next year he feels vindicated and mutual retirement[/quote]

I definitely see this as a possible scenario. In order to resurrect a program like St. John's, the head coach needs to eat, sleep and breathe the job 24/7. At this point in his life, I don't think Chris is there. Hopefully, he releases us so we can pursue what we need.[/quote]

I hear you guys, but I remain stunned.
It's antithetical to my view of CM that he would do anything 'half-baked'.
Yeah, it seems obvious he's been missing-in-action on the recruiting trail, but I attributed that to family re-lo issues.
I still retain hope that an exciting season in 2018-19, and the resolution of CM's family issues will revive CM's energy level and enthusiasm for St. John's basketball.
That's my sentiment until the verdict is in.
 
Thanks Chicago
Not easy to run a life, interact with family, kids, one's own demons....especially with the tremendous undertaking of a
Div 1 program which has become - like all sports - 52 month a year job.
It seems all or at least most of our chatter on this site is speculation - who really knows what is currently motivating or distracting Chris Mullin.
He has been a winner all of his life. He loves St. Johns and Louie.
I hope this year is his best and we move forward in a solid direction.
As with you I hope for the best. Maybe a surprisingly good year ahead.
We shall see soon enough.
Until then it is all speculation unless someone on board has intimate knowledge of the inner circle workings.
All the best.
 
[quote="Sherman, Sheridan & Grant" post=285269]Thanks Chicago
Not easy to run a life, interact with family, kids, one's own demons....especially with the tremendous undertaking of a
Div 1 program which has become - like all sports - 52 month a year job.
It seems all or at least most of our chatter on this site is speculation - who really knows what is currently motivating or distracting Chris Mullin.
He has been a winner all of his life. He loves St. Johns and Louie.
I hope this year is his best and we move forward in a solid direction.
As with you I hope for the best. Maybe a surprisingly good year ahead.
We shall see soon enough.
Until then it is all speculation unless someone on board has intimate knowledge of the inner circle workings.
All the best.[/quote]

Thanks General. Good sentiments. I agree.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=285265][quote="JohnnyFan" post=285262][quote="mjmaherjr" post=285234]We make the NCAA next year he feels vindicated and mutual retirement[/quote]

I definitely see this as a possible scenario. In order to resurrect a program like St. John's, the head coach needs to eat, sleep and breathe the job 24/7. At this point in his life, I don't think Chris is there. Hopefully, he releases us so we can pursue what we need.[/quote]

I hear you guys, but I remain stunned.
It's antithetical to my view of CM that he would do anything 'half-baked'.
Yeah, it seems obvious he's been missing-in-action on the recruiting trail, but I attributed that to family re-lo issues.
I still retain hope that an exciting season in 2018-19, and the resolution of CM's family issues will revive CM's energy level and enthusiasm for St. John's basketball.
That's my sentiment until the verdict is in.[/quote]
He is going into his 4th season and getting paid 2 million per and he has family relocation issues that are interfering with his ability to do his job? Sorry, not buying that as a legitimate excuse but I am also not saying that is the case as I have no idea what the true story is regarding CM's work ethic or his efforts toward his job.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=285278][quote="Chicago Days" post=285265][quote="JohnnyFan" post=285262][quote="mjmaherjr" post=285234]We make the NCAA next year he feels vindicated and mutual retirement[/quote]

I definitely see this as a possible scenario. In order to resurrect a program like St. John's, the head coach needs to eat, sleep and breathe the job 24/7. At this point in his life, I don't think Chris is there. Hopefully, he releases us so we can pursue what we need.[/quote]

I hear you guys, but I remain stunned.
It's antithetical to my view of CM that he would do anything 'half-baked'.
Yeah, it seems obvious he's been missing-in-action on the recruiting trail, but I attributed that to family re-lo issues.
I still retain hope that an exciting season in 2018-19, and the resolution of CM's family issues will revive CM's energy level and enthusiasm for St. John's basketball.
That's my sentiment until the verdict is in.[/quote]
He is going into his 4th season and getting paid 2 million per and he has family relocation issues that are interfering with his ability to do his job? Sorry, not buying that as a legitimate excuse but I am also not saying that is the case as I have no idea what the true story is regarding CM's work ethic or his efforts toward his job.[/quote]

I don't know either, Bama--but that's the 'buzz'.
Lots of guys with major responsibility under perform in sports and life for less-sensitive issues than family re-lo 3,000 miles across a continent.
Let's hope that it resolves itself, because I do expect to dance in 2018-19 and would enjoy having a revived CM our Head Coach into a contract extension.
We'll know soon enough.
 
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