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Career Coaching Record 38-60 (.388)
Big East 12-42 (.222)

Coach K is visiting with players all the time and you hear about it.

With our staff all you hear about is players on campus and our head coach is not there.

Supposed insiders even say the same thing.

I find it comical your defense of him.

I am rooting for him to do well next year. But if he does poor he needs to be shown the door.
 
I seriously doubt that anyone on this site knows the whereabouts of Coach K or Jay Wright presently . I will take a wild guess and say Coach K is at Pimlico for Saturday’s Preakness . Maybe he’s talking to potential recruits in the infield ? I do know where Coach K will be in August . He will be entertaining in his Box at Saratoga . Guaranteed there won’t be any recruits in his Box . As for the record of Mullin’s first team , he gets a Pass . Lavin left nothing . Mullin’s job was and is completly different . He started from scratch . He gets a full cycle of his recruits . Ponds, Simon, Clark, Dixon, Figueroa, Keita , Roberts , Trimble , Williams , Ellington , Wright , Carraher , etc . And, who knows we might bring in a Player , transferring or coming in from Europe . I like our team in 2018-19.
 
If you subscribe to any of the recruiting sites you will know where all coaches are.

Patrick Ewing does not take a break that's what makes this situation even sadder.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285399]I seriously doubt that anyone on this site knows the whereabouts of Coach K or Jay Wright presently . I will take a wild guess and say Coach K is at Pimlico for Saturday’s Preakness . Maybe he’s talking to potential recruits in the infield ? I do know where Coach K will be in August . He will be entertaining in his Box at Saratoga . Guaranteed there won’t be any recruits in his Box . As for the record of Mullin’s first team , he gets a Pass . Lavin left nothing . Mullin’s job was and is completly different . He started from scratch . He gets a full cycle of his recruits . Ponds, Simon, Clark, Dixon, Figueroa, Keita , Roberts , Trimble , Williams , Ellington , Wright , Carraher , etc . And, who knows we might bring in a Player , transferring or coming in from Europe . I like our team in 2018-19.[/quote]

He might come up to Saratoga to catch a little racing, but I’m pretty sure he doesn’t have his own box. He might also time it with getting a verbal from JG3. Maybe coach can ride up with him to see where JG3 lives. Lol
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=285399]I seriously doubt that anyone on this site knows the whereabouts of Coach K or Jay Wright presently . I will take a wild guess and say Coach K is at Pimlico for Saturday’s Preakness . Maybe he’s talking to potential recruits in the infield ? I do know where Coach K will be in August . He will be entertaining in his Box at Saratoga . Guaranteed there won’t be any recruits in his Box . As for the record of Mullin’s first team , he gets a Pass . Lavin left nothing . Mullin’s job was and is completly different . He started from scratch . He gets a full cycle of his recruits . Ponds, Simon, Clark, Dixon, Figueroa, Keita , Roberts , Trimble , Williams , Ellington , Wright , Carraher , etc . And, who knows we might bring in a Player , transferring or coming in from Europe . I like our team in 2018-19.[/quote]

Sly, I'm with you on a total pass for CM's first year. He was left with less than nothing. And he's 30 - 36--X-ing out that 1st year.
And I'm with you on the roster looking good, and he's owed 1-full cycle through this roster.
I get a 'bit' edgy that our Staff is undermanned on the recruiting side of things and Chris has not been as visible as other high major Div 1 coaches at recruiting events this Spring.
But, again, I'm with you hoping we get 1 more ready-to-play recruit to fill the now-open scholarship and I know everybody on this Board will root hard for the team to knock the doors off, expectations-wise in 2018-19.
Let's go Johnnies.
 
[quote="Manhattan1" post=285391]Keeping it to results:
Career Coaching Record 38-60 (.388)
Big East 12-42 (.222)

1) Coach K is visiting with players all the time and you hear about it.

2) I find it comical your defense of him.

3) I am rooting for him to do well next year. But if he does poor he needs to be shown the door.[/quote]

Response: 1)  A player from my town, WIllie Dersch was recruited by a bunch of top ten schools.   Coach K showed up ONCE to try to close the deal and was completely boring, speaking only about Duke and not about his interest in the kid.    Bobby Knight showed up once, as did a few others.   He chose Virginia, and
logged a ton of minutes as a starter there.

2) You obviously do not read.  I'm defending his character, not his performance.   I try not to bash the character of people without any real knowledge.   You should do the same

3) It doesn't sound like you are rooting for him at all.   See #2 
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=285406][quote="Manhattan1" post=285391]Keeping it to results:
Career Coaching Record 38-60 (.388)
Big East 12-42 (.222)

1) Coach K is visiting with players all the time and you hear about it.

2) I find it comical your defense of him.

3) I am rooting for him to do well next year. But if he does poor he needs to be shown the door.[/quote]

Response: 1)  A player from my town, WIllie Dersch was recruited by a bunch of top ten schools.   Coach K showed up ONCE to try to close the deal and was completely boring, speaking only about Duke and not about his interest in the kid.    Bobby Knight showed up once, as did a few others.   He chose Virginia, and
logged a ton of minutes as a starter there.

2) You obviously do not read.  I'm defending his character, not his performance.   I try not to bash the character of people without any real knowledge.   You should do the same

3) It doesn't sound like you are rooting for him at all.   See #2 [/quote] Coach K has something like  3 of the top 5 recruits in the 18 class. So it’s hard to criticize his recruiting.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=285411][quote="Beast of the East" post=285406][quote="Manhattan1" post=285391]Keeping it to results:
Career Coaching Record 38-60 (.388)
Big East 12-42 (.222)

1) Coach K is visiting with players all the time and you hear about it.

2) I find it comical your defense of him.

3) I am rooting for him to do well next year. But if he does poor he needs to be shown the door.[/quote]

Response: 1)  A player from my town, WIllie Dersch was recruited by a bunch of top ten schools.   Coach K showed up ONCE to try to close the deal and was completely boring, speaking only about Duke and not about his interest in the kid.    Bobby Knight showed up once, as did a few others.   He chose Virginia, and
logged a ton of minutes as a starter there.

2) You obviously do not read.  I'm defending his character, not his performance.   I try not to bash the character of people without any real knowledge.   You should do the same

3) It doesn't sound like you are rooting for him at all.   See #2 [/quote] Coach K has something like  3 of the top 5 recruits in the 18 class. So it’s hard to criticize his recruiting.[/quote]

What I am saying is that head coaches don't pound the pavement the way assistants do.  They aren't the lead generators, they are the closers.   Coach K has also been coaching for 40 years, built an incredible program in process, with unreal inertia.

His record after 3 years at Duke:  38-47
 
I was hoping we would sign Willie Dersh as his mother worked at ST. J's and thought we had a good chance. Was rated pretty high and appeared to be a more athletic poor man's Chris Mullin. His college career felt short of what most projected it to be but still would have been an asset for us.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=285413][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=285411][quote="Beast of the East" post=285406][quote="Manhattan1" post=285391]Keeping it to results:
Career Coaching Record 38-60 (.388)
Big East 12-42 (.222)

1) Coach K is visiting with players all the time and you hear about it.

2) I find it comical your defense of him.

3) I am rooting for him to do well next year. But if he does poor he needs to be shown the door.[/quote]

Response: 1)  A player from my town, WIllie Dersch was recruited by a bunch of top ten schools.   Coach K showed up ONCE to try to close the deal and was completely boring, speaking only about Duke and not about his interest in the kid.    Bobby Knight showed up once, as did a few others.   He chose Virginia, and
logged a ton of minutes as a starter there.

2) You obviously do not read.  I'm defending his character, not his performance.   I try not to bash the character of people without any real knowledge.   You should do the same

3) It doesn't sound like you are rooting for him at all.   See #2 [/quote] Coach K has something like  3 of the top 5 recruits in the 18 class. So it’s hard to criticize his recruiting.[/quote]

What I am saying is that head coaches don't pound the pavement the way assistants do.  They aren't the lead generators, they are the closers.   Coach K has also been coaching for 40 years, built an incredible program in process, with unreal inertia.

His record after 3 years at Duke:  38-47[/quote]

If Coach K's worst year of his first 3 is excluded (10-17 in 2nd year), his record would be  28 - 30.
He benefited from a decent roster his first year, going 17 - 13.
The fairer way to balance the tally, would be to exclude Coach K's 1st year, which would make his record for his 2nd and 3rd years, 21 - 34.
Obviously, the rest of Coach K's career at Duke is stellar and is daunting for any coach to emulate.
Let's go Johnnies.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=285415]I was hoping we would sign Willie Dersh as his mother worked at ST. J's and thought we had a good chance. Was rated pretty high and appeared to be a more athletic poor man's Chris Mullin. His college career felt short of what most projected it to be but still would have been an asset for us.[/quote]

I remember that. Was bummed he opted for VA.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=285417][quote="bamafan" post=285415]I was hoping we would sign Willie Dersh as his mother worked at ST. J's and thought we had a good chance. Was rated pretty high and appeared to be a more athletic poor man's Chris Mullin. His college career felt short of what most projected it to be but still would have been an asset for us.[/quote]

I remember that. Was bummed he opted for VA.[/quote]


We got Lavar Postell that year. Dersch averaged less than 6 pts a game during his career at Virginia. I would say that we made out pretty well on that deal.
 
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This was Nick Saban yesterday. Today he got a commit from one of the top kids in the country, the Alfano kid from NJ. Comparing what Chris is doing during the off season to what guys like Saban, K, Wright, Cal etc are doing is ridiculous. I could care less if Chris never leaves his living room during the off season if we have a winning program. But until that day comes, fans are going to question and scrutinize his work ethic if they don't feel he's giving 100%. We've done it with other coaches, so why should CM be immune? And this coming from someone who supports CM.
 
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Alfano kid is a real beast, a stud. Reminds me of Joey Bosa formerly of Ohio St. now in NFL.
 
[quote="Monte" post=285428][attachment=172]Saban.jpg[/attachment]

This was Nick Saban yesterday. Today he got a commit from one of the top kids in the country, the Alfano kid from NJ. Comparing what Chris is doing during the off season to what guys like Saban, K, Wright, Cal etc are doing is ridiculous. I could care less if Chris never leaves his living room during the off season if we have a winning program. But until that day comes, fans are going to question and scrutinize his work ethic if they don't feel he's giving 100%. We've done it with other coaches, so why should CM be immune? And this coming from someone who supports CM.[/quote]

BOOM !!!!

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[quote="Chicago Days" post=285416][quote="Beast of the East" post=285413][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=285411][quote="Beast of the East" post=285406][quote="Manhattan1" post=285391]Keeping it to results:
Career Coaching Record 38-60 (.388)
Big East 12-42 (.222)

1) Coach K is visiting with players all the time and you hear about it.

2) I find it comical your defense of him.

3) I am rooting for him to do well next year. But if he does poor he needs to be shown the door.[/quote]

Response: 1)  A player from my town, WIllie Dersch was recruited by a bunch of top ten schools.   Coach K showed up ONCE to try to close the deal and was completely boring, speaking only about Duke and not about his interest in the kid.    Bobby Knight showed up once, as did a few others.   He chose Virginia, and
logged a ton of minutes as a starter there.

2) You obviously do not read.  I'm defending his character, not his performance.   I try not to bash the character of people without any real knowledge.   You should do the same

3) It doesn't sound like you are rooting for him at all.   See #2 [/quote] Coach K has something like  3 of the top 5 recruits in the 18 class. So it’s hard to criticize his recruiting.[/quote]

What I am saying is that head coaches don't pound the pavement the way assistants do.  They aren't the lead generators, they are the closers.   Coach K has also been coaching for 40 years, built an incredible program in process, with unreal inertia.

His record after 3 years at Duke:  38-47[/quote]

If Coach K's worst year of his first 3 is excluded (10-17 in 2nd year), his record would be  28 - 30.
He benefited from a decent roster his first year, going 17 - 13.
The fairer way to balance the tally, would be to exclude Coach K's 1st year, which would make his record for his 2nd and 3rd years, 21 - 34.
Obviously, the rest of Coach K's career at Duke is stellar and is daunting for any coach to emulate.
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=285331]Panther2 wrote: I have absolutely no idea what is going on with Chris and just hope everything works out. All of this speculating serves no purpose.

I remember when Coach Lavin took off a whole year and some on this board were saying that he could have returned but quit on the team. I had a conversation with someone close to him and learned that was not the case. When Lavin learned that he had prostate cancer, he wanted to put any procedure off until after the season since this was his first recruiting class. By trying to wait to have a procedure done, the cancer got worse so when he finally had the procedure it was a lot more complicated and there were residual effects. Some may say that they saw Lavin during that season and he looked ok. I have personally taken that medicine for prostate cancer and what happens is that I felt miserable for a few days, gradually got better, then it was time to take some more. If someone only saw me when I came out, they would have no idea what I was going through.

This is not a defense of Chris or Lavin, only stating that when we begin speculating about another persons personal issues, we do ourselves and them an injustice.

Excellent post Panther2. You are right. We should limit our speculation to the success of the team and our new recruits. Point taken.[/quote]

Good points by Panther as usual.  For what it's worth, I too contacted Lav when he went public with his diagnosis.  I recommended one the best in the City to treat him.  The same doctor treated me and Rudy Giuliani.  He cancelled his appointment and eventually decided to have a much more radical procedure.  The rest is history.  
I'm not sure where the Mullin "personal issues" speculation came from or illness speculation b.s.  What I do know is that after selling his home in Danville in the San Ramon Valley he purchased a home here on the island.  As a few folks know and as was discussed two years ago here, Chris and his wife decided to sell the NY home and his wife and daughter re-settled in the Danville area because his daughter was having difficulty adjusting.  Chris has been a bicoastal commuter ever since.  Hopefully that may change after this coming season.  Coach Richmond is also a bicoastal commuter.  
I'm not sure if the situation affects their ability to recruit as Matt Abdelmassih does all the heavy lifting in that regard but what is fair to question is the results to date and the fact that we have not closed on any of our top targets since Shamorie Ponds when it comes to prep recruits.  Some may have missed Mullin's effort with Jordan Brown.  Chris was able to get a visit from Jordan and did his best.  That contact was the result of Chris visiting his family in the area so it could have turned into a major coup.   Just didn't work out.
This will be a very interesting season in more ways than we can imagine.  Exciting times.
 
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if his name wasn't Mullin, would this be acceptable? Just asking the fans if you'd all be as patient. Im not saying he needs to go, but if he doesn't succeed this year-IMO he needs to go
 
[quote="cappy105" post=285461]if his name wasn't Mullin, would this be acceptable? Just asking the fans if you'd all be as patient. Im not saying he needs to go, but if he doesn't succeed this year-IMO he needs to go[/quote] I think if his name wasn’t Mullin , he should still be given a 4 th year, considering he started w nothing. But if he doesn’t succeed next year the shit should hit the fan.
 
We've got a very talented team (always assuming Shamorie returns) and still have an opportunity to bring in a grad transfer big to shore up our one area of potential weakness. Doesn't have to be a star, just someone to give us 15 minutes and some rebounding and defense. Yes, it's a key year for staff. But at this point, we have no reason not to be optimistic and supportive.
 
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