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Beast of the East wrote: You guys are total hypocrites. There was not a soul on here, not a single one of you, who didn't think that out of the gate Mullin ate Calipari's lunch by snaring Slice. Is that Mullin's fault, or Slice's fault for thinking he was the head coach and not Mullin. I'm pretty sure Matt couldn't stand Slice either. Slice would have been sent packing by Cal if he behaved like that in Ky. And he wouldn't dare try it. Was it a mistake? Yes. Does chris own it? Yes. But don't think for a second that you guys aren't hypocrites because not one of you had a single negative thing to say when we "stole" Cals ace recruiter. In fact, only Cal knew we overpaid , because only a coach and his staff knows who is doing the heavy lifting in recruiting, and not a single one of us.

I agree this board (which I read but wasn't yet posting on) was virtually unanimously enthusiastic about the hire of Slice. I don't know enough to begin to guess who, if anyone, was at fault for that hiring. It is water under the bridge and not worth wasting time on at this point.
 
If the name calling goes up from here, this thread will be closed and people will start being relegated to the Rookie Forum.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=284784][quote="41ndone" post=284781][quote="Class of 72" post=284688][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=284681][quote="JohnnyFan" post=284678][quote="Manhattan1" post=284671]It should be NCAA or bust. If they do not make the tournament he needs to get out of here and fast. No excuses.[/quote]

I agree.

Mullin chose "my way or the highway". So, if this season doesn't work out......hit the road.[/quote]

exactly. Agree 100%
No staff changes, which means the staff is 100% fine to him.
No big man, so it's gonna be launch and a pray.

He want it his way? Fine. Lets see how his way works out next year, and we'll have debt so no excuses.
If he fails, I agree it's time for him to go.[/quote]

You said "we'll have debt so no excuses.". I disagree. We have debt because of Slice's salary.:p The team on the other hand has good depth and I still think that a player change will happen.[/quote]

Didn't Mullin hire Slice? And if so isn't He ultimately responsible?[/quote]

You guys are total hypocrites. There was not a soul on here, not a single one of you, who didn't think that out of the gate Mullin ate Calipari's lunch by snaring Slice. Is that Mullin's fault, or Slice's fault for thinking he was the head coach and not Mullin. I'm pretty sure Matt couldn't stand Slice either. Slice would have been sent packing by Cal if he behaved like that in Ky. And he wouldn't dare try it. Was it a mistake? Yes. Does chris own it? Yes. But don't think for a second that you guys aren't hypocrites because not one of you had a single negative thing to say when we "stole" Cals ace recruiter. In fact, only Cal knew we overpaid , because only a coach and his staff knows who is doing the heavy lifting in recruiting, and not a single one of us.

Respectfully, kind of[/quote]



Sorry Beast, I said from the beginning that Slice was a bad hire. Slice was able to recruit New York when he was at Pitt because of his relationships with Catholic league coaches. He helped Jack Alesi at Xaverian get a sneaker contract with Adidas which sponsored Pitt at the time. In return Alesi encouraged his kids to go to Pitt. Slice was unable to connect with the AAU coaches who are now in control of the kids. As a head coach at Manhattan, he was a disaster.

A lot of posters were talking about what a great recruiter Slice was. They missed the point. A good recruiter is able to establish relationships with AAU coaches. Slice on the other hand was more of a deal maker than a recruiter. Chris and those who encouraged him to hire Slice did not take the time to reach out to the people who could give them relevant feedback regarding Slice.
 
[quote="panther2" post=284796][quote="Beast of the East" post=284784][quote="41ndone" post=284781][quote="Class of 72" post=284688][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=284681][quote="JohnnyFan" post=284678][quote="Manhattan1" post=284671]It should be NCAA or bust. If they do not make the tournament he needs to get out of here and fast. No excuses.[/quote]

I agree.

Mullin chose "my way or the highway". So, if this season doesn't work out......hit the road.[/quote]

exactly. Agree 100%
No staff changes, which means the staff is 100% fine to him.
No big man, so it's gonna be launch and a pray.

He want it his way? Fine. Lets see how his way works out next year, and we'll have debt so no excuses.
If he fails, I agree it's time for him to go.[/quote]

You said "we'll have debt so no excuses.". I disagree. We have debt because of Slice's salary.:p The team on the other hand has good depth and I still think that a player change will happen.[/quote]

Didn't Mullin hire Slice? And if so isn't He ultimately responsible?[/quote]

You guys are total hypocrites. There was not a soul on here, not a single one of you, who didn't think that out of the gate Mullin ate Calipari's lunch by snaring Slice. Is that Mullin's fault, or Slice's fault for thinking he was the head coach and not Mullin. I'm pretty sure Matt couldn't stand Slice either. Slice would have been sent packing by Cal if he behaved like that in Ky. And he wouldn't dare try it. Was it a mistake? Yes. Does chris own it? Yes. But don't think for a second that you guys aren't hypocrites because not one of you had a single negative thing to say when we "stole" Cals ace recruiter. In fact, only Cal knew we overpaid , because only a coach and his staff knows who is doing the heavy lifting in recruiting, and not a single one of us.

Respectfully, kind of[/quote]



Sorry Beast, I said from the beginning that Slice was a bad hire. Slice was able to recruit New York when he was at Pitt because of his relationships with Catholic league coaches. He helped Jack Alesi at Xaverian get a sneaker contract with Adidas which sponsored Pitt at the time. In return Alesi encouraged his kids to go to Pitt. Slice was unable to connect with the AAU coaches who are now in control of the kids. As a head coach at Manhattan, he was a disaster.

A lot of posters were talking about what a great recruiter Slice was. They missed the point. A good recruiter is able to establish relationships with AAU coaches. Slice on the other hand was more of a deal maker than a recruiter. Chris and those who encouraged him to hire Slice did not take the time to reach out to the people who could give them relevant feedback regarding Slice.[/quote]

Thanks for that, Panther2. I know that I didn’t know that and drank the KoolAid on Slice’s KY imprimatur. Wasn’t he credited with prying Briscoe from us? Maybe that was another KY recruiter. Dunno.
 
You guys remember how great the Mullin years were at St. John’s?
I apologize for the dumb question. We were 108-26 over those years.
The only damned team we couldn’t beat regularly was G*town (which ironically is why I get the willies re the now Ewing-led Hoyas).
Geech, I’ll take 100-34 in spades for the next 4.
Who among us wouldn’t?
Let’s hope Chris gets us there.
Let’s go Johnnies.
 
[quote="OhioFan" post=284792]If the name calling goes up from here, this thread will be closed and people will start being relegated to the Rookie Forum.[/quote]

You are way off base and out of bonds. This is exactly what i was referring to in responding to your threatening assertion that folks would be suspended.

Calling out hypocritical users who are now bashing Mullins hire of Slice is based in reality. The overwhelming sentiment on the Slice hire at the time on here was positive and enthusiastic.

Admit it, you didn't like me responding to your post by warning against thethreatening tone of it. You even deleted my first response because you did not like the content, not because it violated a rule.

The board rules say the purpose is to support the school, coaches, and players, but we routinely allow every coach since Carnesecca to be characterized as inept, lazy, stubborn, stupid, you name it. The Carnesecca statue thread bashes the school. Can we not be critical in this manner, or can we?

Calling out hypocritical behavior is a far cry from the often profane, defamatory, and even threatening rhetoric that was permitted for years here. I applauded the mods for regulating that sort of thing.

I don't know who you are, but recent posts do not remotely approach the type of thing we are trying to avoid here. You are likely offended by this response but if you think it compares to the ludicrous taunts to mods for years as he persisted in antisocial behavior, you are dead wrong.
 
[quote="panther2" post=284796][quote="Beast of the East" post=284784][quote="41ndone" post=284781][quote="Class of 72" post=284688][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=284681][quote="JohnnyFan" post=284678][quote="Manhattan1" post=284671]It should be NCAA or bust. If they do not make the tournament he needs to get out of here and fast. No excuses.[/quote]

I agree.

Mullin chose "my way or the highway". So, if this season doesn't work out......hit the road.[/quote]

exactly. Agree 100%
No staff changes, which means the staff is 100% fine to him.
No big man, so it's gonna be launch and a pray.

He want it his way? Fine. Lets see how his way works out next year, and we'll have debt so no excuses.
If he fails, I agree it's time for him to go.[/quote]

You said "we'll have debt so no excuses.". I disagree. We have debt because of Slice's salary.:p The team on the other hand has good depth and I still think that a player change will happen.[/quote]

Didn't Mullin hire Slice? And if so isn't He ultimately responsible?[/quote]

You guys are total hypocrites. There was not a soul on here, not a single one of you, who didn't think that out of the gate Mullin ate Calipari's lunch by snaring Slice. Is that Mullin's fault, or Slice's fault for thinking he was the head coach and not Mullin. I'm pretty sure Matt couldn't stand Slice either. Slice would have been sent packing by Cal if he behaved like that in Ky. And he wouldn't dare try it. Was it a mistake? Yes. Does chris own it? Yes. But don't think for a second that you guys aren't hypocrites because not one of you had a single negative thing to say when we "stole" Cals ace recruiter. In fact, only Cal knew we overpaid , because only a coach and his staff knows who is doing the heavy lifting in recruiting, and not a single one of us.

Respectfully, kind of[/quote]



Sorry Beast, I said from the beginning that Slice was a bad hire. Slice was able to recruit New York when he was at Pitt because of his relationships with Catholic league coaches. He helped Jack Alesi at Xaverian get a sneaker contract with Adidas which sponsored Pitt at the time. In return Alesi encouraged his kids to go to Pitt. Slice was unable to connect with the AAU coaches who are now in control of the kids. As a head coach at Manhattan, he was a disaster.

A lot of posters were talking about what a great recruiter Slice was. They missed the point. A good recruiter is able to establish relationships with AAU coaches. Slice on the other hand was more of a deal maker than a recruiter. Chris and those who encouraged him to hire Slice did not take the time to reach out to the people who could give them relevant feedback regarding Slice.[/quote]

Panther, you are one of the fair and thoughtful posters here. While you may have disagreed with the Slice hire, i don't recall you or anyone else being vehemently against it. The truth is that Kentucky year after year had been reeling in 4 or 5 super blue chip players at a time and Slice was considered part of that juggernaut. You may be dead on about his diminished capacity to successfully recruit nyc as he did for Pitt, but Kentucky recruits everywhere and seemingly got every top 10 prospect they wanted. That was the perception at the time of the Slice hire, and it was also expressed here that his long term friendship with Mullin and his local roots, (along w sju bolding paying an assistant hc money to bolster an inexperienced coach) wooed a top notch recruiter away from Cal. It was all wrong but that was the overwhelming sentiment.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=284800][quote="OhioFan" post=284792]If the name calling goes up from here, this thread will be closed and people will start being relegated to the Rookie Forum.[/quote]

You are way off base and out of bonds. This is exactly what i was referring to in responding to your threatening assertion that folks would be suspended.

Calling out hypocritical users who are now bashing Mullins hire of Slice is based in reality. The overwhelming sentiment on the Slice hire at the time on here was positive and enthusiastic.

Admit it, you didn't like me responding to your post by warning against thethreatening tone of it. You even deleted my first response because you did not like the content, not because it violated a rule.

The board rules say the purpose is to support the school, coaches, and players, but we routinely allow every coach since Carnesecca to be characterized as inept, lazy, stubborn, stupid, you name it. The Carnesecca statue thread bashes the school. Can we not be critical in this manner, or can we?

Calling out hypocritical behavior is a far cry from the often profane, defamatory, and even threatening rhetoric that was permitted for years here. I applauded the mods for regulating that sort of thing.

I don't know who you are, but recent posts do not remotely approach the type of thing we are trying to avoid here. You are likely offended by this response but if you think it compares to the ludicrous taunts to mods for years as he persisted in antisocial behavior, you are dead wrong.[/quote]

I agree with Beast. Far as I recall, ‘bout everybody lauded the Slice hiring.
So, to now rail against Chris for hiring the guy, is ‘hypocritical’.
It s not name calling.
It’s a fact.
I totally support being civil and engaging in proper debate among rabid fans.
But Beast calling his adversaries ‘hypocritical’ is not insulting, threatening, or ‘name-calling’, it happens to be an accurate label in this ‘context’.
Thanks.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=284802][quote="Beast of the East" post=284800][quote="OhioFan" post=284792]If the name calling goes up from here, this thread will be closed and people will start being relegated to the Rookie Forum.[/quote]

You are way off base and out of bonds. This is exactly what i was referring to in responding to your threatening assertion that folks would be suspended.

Calling out hypocritical users who are now bashing Mullins hire of Slice is based in reality. The overwhelming sentiment on the Slice hire at the time on here was positive and enthusiastic.

Admit it, you didn't like me responding to your post by warning against thethreatening tone of it. You even deleted my first response because you did not like the content, not because it violated a rule.

The board rules say the purpose is to support the school, coaches, and players, but we routinely allow every coach since Carnesecca to be characterized as inept, lazy, stubborn, stupid, you name it. The Carnesecca statue thread bashes the school. Can we not be critical in this manner, or can we?

Calling out hypocritical behavior is a far cry from the often profane, defamatory, and even threatening rhetoric that was permitted for years here. I applauded the mods for regulating that sort of thing.

I don't know who you are, but recent posts do not remotely approach the type of thing we are trying to avoid here. You are likely offended by this response but if you think it compares to the ludicrous taunts to mods for years as he persisted in antisocial behavior, you are dead wrong.[/quote]

I agree with Beast. Far as I recall, ‘bout everybody lauded the Slice hiring.
So, to now rail against Chris for hiring the guy, is ‘hypocritical’.
It s not name calling.
It’s a fact.
I totally support being civil and engaging in proper debate among rabid fans.
But Beast calling his adversaries ‘hypocritical’ is not insulting, threatening, or ‘name-calling’, it happens to be an accurate label in this ‘context’.
Thanks.[/quote]

Thanks, CD. Coming from you as a very respected poster, i really appreciate it
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=284804][quote="Chicago Days" post=284802][quote="Beast of the East" post=284800][quote="OhioFan" post=284792]If the name calling goes up from here, this thread will be closed and people will start being relegated to the Rookie Forum.[/quote]

You are way off base and out of bonds. This is exactly what i was referring to in responding to your threatening assertion that folks would be suspended.

Calling out hypocritical users who are now bashing Mullins hire of Slice is based in reality. The overwhelming sentiment on the Slice hire at the time on here was positive and enthusiastic.

Admit it, you didn't like me responding to your post by warning against thethreatening tone of it. You even deleted my first response because you did not like the content, not because it violated a rule.

The board rules say the purpose is to support the school, coaches, and players, but we routinely allow every coach since Carnesecca to be characterized as inept, lazy, stubborn, stupid, you name it. The Carnesecca statue thread bashes the school. Can we not be critical in this manner, or can we?

Calling out hypocritical behavior is a far cry from the often profane, defamatory, and even threatening rhetoric that was permitted for years here. I applauded the mods for regulating that sort of thing.

I don't know who you are, but recent posts do not remotely approach the type of thing we are trying to avoid here. You are likely offended by this response but if you think it compares to the ludicrous taunts to mods for years as he persisted in antisocial behavior, you are dead wrong.[/quote]

I agree with Beast. Far as I recall, ‘bout everybody lauded the Slice hiring.
So, to now rail against Chris for hiring the guy, is ‘hypocritical’.
It s not name calling.
It’s a fact.
I totally support being civil and engaging in proper debate among rabid fans.
But Beast calling his adversaries ‘hypocritical’ is not insulting, threatening, or ‘name-calling’, it happens to be an accurate label in this ‘context’.
Thanks.[/quote]

Thanks, CD. Coming from you as a very respected poster, i really appreciate it[/quote]
Sure thing, Beast. Funny, I scanned the thread looking for ‘insults or threats’ and it seemed to be just you calling guys that once lauded the Slice hire and who now rail against Chris ‘hypocrites’ and that’s the fact jack! (The first half of Stripes one of the best comedies ever.)
The Mods have a tough gig—but perspective and proportion is a wise atribute to have—for all of us to have.
God knows, I’ve slipped at times.
But we should all aspire to it.
 
Makes you question Mullin's ability to lead if his "interview" of Slice was nothing more than a call to an acquaintance/friend who he knew was at Kentucky and had assumed reputation of being able to recruit anywhere.

Did Mullin even know the right type of questions to ask about AAU recruiting / HS etc.or did Slice just talk his ear off about what he could do.

As a Mullin and SJU fan/alum, I had no reason to question at the time with no inside info. Still hope the best, but my biggest issue with Mullin is that I continue to get perception that while he is a great guy, good with kids, knows game, etc he is just does not come across as a leader.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=284801][quote="panther2" post=284796][quote="Beast of the East" post=284784][quote="41ndone" post=284781][quote="Class of 72" post=284688][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=284681][quote="JohnnyFan" post=284678][quote="Manhattan1" post=284671]It should be NCAA or bust. If they do not make the tournament he needs to get out of here and fast. No excuses.[/quote]

I agree.

Mullin chose "my way or the highway". So, if this season doesn't work out......hit the road.[/quote]

exactly. Agree 100%
No staff changes, which means the staff is 100% fine to him.
No big man, so it's gonna be launch and a pray.

He want it his way? Fine. Lets see how his way works out next year, and we'll have debt so no excuses.
If he fails, I agree it's time for him to go.[/quote]

You said "we'll have debt so no excuses.". I disagree. We have debt because of Slice's salary.:p The team on the other hand has good depth and I still think that a player change will happen.[/quote]

Didn't Mullin hire Slice? And if so isn't He ultimately responsible?[/quote]

You guys are total hypocrites. There was not a soul on here, not a single one of you, who didn't think that out of the gate Mullin ate Calipari's lunch by snaring Slice. Is that Mullin's fault, or Slice's fault for thinking he was the head coach and not Mullin. I'm pretty sure Matt couldn't stand Slice either. Slice would have been sent packing by Cal if he behaved like that in Ky. And he wouldn't dare try it. Was it a mistake? Yes. Does chris own it? Yes. But don't think for a second that you guys aren't hypocrites because not one of you had a single negative thing to say when we "stole" Cals ace recruiter. In fact, only Cal knew we overpaid , because only a coach and his staff knows who is doing the heavy lifting in recruiting, and not a single one of us.

Respectfully, kind of[/quote]



Sorry Beast, I said from the beginning that Slice was a bad hire. Slice was able to recruit New York when he was at Pitt because of his relationships with Catholic league coaches. He helped Jack Alesi at Xaverian get a sneaker contract with Adidas which sponsored Pitt at the time. In return Alesi encouraged his kids to go to Pitt. Slice was unable to connect with the AAU coaches who are now in control of the kids. As a head coach at Manhattan, he was a disaster.

A lot of posters were talking about what a great recruiter Slice was. They missed the point. A good recruiter is able to establish relationships with AAU coaches. Slice on the other hand was more of a deal maker than a recruiter. Chris and those who encouraged him to hire Slice did not take the time to reach out to the people who could give them relevant feedback regarding Slice.[/quote]

Panther, you are one of the fair and thoughtful posters here. While you may have disagreed with the Slice hire, i don't recall you or anyone else being vehemently against it. The truth is that Kentucky year after year had been reeling in 4 or 5 super blue chip players at a time and Slice was considered part of that juggernaut. You may be dead on about his diminished capacity to successfully recruit nyc as he did for Pitt, but Kentucky recruits everywhere and seemingly got every top 10 prospect they wanted. That was the perception at the time of the Slice hire, and it was also expressed here that his long term friendship with Mullin and his local roots, (along w sju bolding paying an assistant hc money to bolster an inexperienced coach) wooed a top notch recruiter away from Cal. It was all wrong but that was the overwhelming sentiment.[/quote]

Yes I was going to say something similar. I thought Slice proved at Kentucky how valuable he was. Maybe that was a mirage since he had the Kentucky machine. Maybe Calipari wasn't sad to see him go.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=284802][quote="Beast of the East" post=284800][quote="OhioFan" post=284792]If the name calling goes up from here, this thread will be closed and people will start being relegated to the Rookie Forum.[/quote]

You are way off base and out of bonds. This is exactly what i was referring to in responding to your threatening assertion that folks would be suspended.

Calling out hypocritical users who are now bashing Mullins hire of Slice is based in reality. The overwhelming sentiment on the Slice hire at the time on here was positive and enthusiastic.

Admit it, you didn't like me responding to your post by warning against thethreatening tone of it. You even deleted my first response because you did not like the content, not because it violated a rule.

The board rules say the purpose is to support the school, coaches, and players, but we routinely allow every coach since Carnesecca to be characterized as inept, lazy, stubborn, stupid, you name it. The Carnesecca statue thread bashes the school. Can we not be critical in this manner, or can we?

Calling out hypocritical behavior is a far cry from the often profane, defamatory, and even threatening rhetoric that was permitted for years here. I applauded the mods for regulating that sort of thing.

I don't know who you are, but recent posts do not remotely approach the type of thing we are trying to avoid here. You are likely offended by this response but if you think it compares to the ludicrous taunts to mods for years as he persisted in antisocial behavior, you are dead wrong.[/quote]

I agree with Beast. Far as I recall, ‘bout everybody lauded the Slice hiring.
So, to now rail against Chris for hiring the guy, is ‘hypocritical’.
It s not name calling.
It’s a fact.
I totally support being civil and engaging in proper debate among rabid fans.
But Beast calling his adversaries ‘hypocritical’ is not insulting, threatening, or ‘name-calling’, it happens to be an accurate label in this ‘context’.
Thanks.[/quote]

I have nothing against the mods and appreciate their hard work here, but I'd hope we can find a way to avoid banning Beast of the East. A highly respected poster and one of my favorite to read his opinion here.
 
I'm one who has knocked Mullin for the Slice debacle. I was for the Slice hiring so if I was trying to say he shouldn't have hired him that would absolutely be hypocritical of me so I dont have a problem at all with Beast defending Mullin on calling out people who were for and then against a Slice hiring ( maybe John Kerry is a fan )

Info like Panther2 have in regards to why he didnt like the hiring only he and a few others on this board would have been privy to before Mullin hired him so I totally believe Panther when he says it because he is big time connected locally

For me personally the reason why I knocked Mullin in regards to Slice is that it's almost unheard of for something like this to happen with a contract that big and long after only one year and I think he should have been a better manager of egos and of the program and finding a way to make it work and stop the sniping behind peoples back within the staff
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=284809]Makes you question Mullin's ability to lead if his "interview" of Slice was nothing more than a call to an acquaintance/friend who he knew was at Kentucky and had assumed reputation of being able to recruit anywhere.

Did Mullin even know the right type of questions to ask about AAU recruiting / HS etc.or did Slice just talk his ear off about what he could do.

As a Mullin and SJU fan/alum, I had no reason to question at the time with no inside info. Still hope the best, but my biggest issue with Mullin is that I continue to get perception that while he is a great guy, good with kids, knows game, etc he is just does not come across as a leader.[/quote]

I think it's totally fair to criticize his decision making but from the very first time i met him , through observations and many interactions with him, he has a strength of character, is not a pushover, and is a leader by all means.

I was reading an account of the prep leading up to the sweater game, which had all the pregame hype of Frazier Ali, at least in the college basketball sense.

A local reporter approached Chris during a shootaround a few days before the game in alumni hall. He asked Mullin a few questions. Mullin stopped him and asked his own question. "Who do you think is going to win this game?" The reporter replied, "Georgetown." Chris then looked at him and said, "If you think that then you can get out of my gym".

Reading that 30 years later i had to laugh. Even then, Chris, soft spoken, smiley mop bn haired Chris, wasn't taking crap from anyone.

Decisions? Open to discussion. Leadership , absolutely as far as I'm concerned
 
Fair points Beast.

Leadership might have been wrong choice from a desire, character and ability to inspire perspective...but part of strong leadership is ability to make good decisions, ensure you are staffed appropriately etc.

He was after all an NBA executive....and would hope he got that gig in part for his leadership ability, not just his playing resume, who he knew and being a recognized name/face.

Not being able to effectively staff a college team after three years is questionable.

Having your best buddy ride shotgun, not requiring him to be on road, recruit and seemingly MIA since last game of season is maddening for a half million $ salary that is equivalent of many academic scholarships.
 
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Weighing in with my 2 cents....

Think most (just about all including myself) fans strongly supported and loved the hire of Slice based on his recruiting prowess at Pitt and assumption that he was doing same at KY.

Certainly didn’t know what Panther2 shared re: his success at Pitt. I recall reading that, at Kentucky, Slice was # 2 recruiter (believe Kenny Payne was #1). Think Cal carried most recruiting weight including the kid we lost at the 11th hour. Nonetheless, fact that he was at Kentucky, prior experience at Pitt and assumed NYC relationships made us swoon. Even at Manhattan, he brought in some decent kids (just wasn’t a good coach). Who knew his lone claim to fame at SJ would be Durand Johnson. So don’t think it is out of bounds to call out folks who are hypercritical of the Slice hire - without acknowledging it being based on what we know now.

As for what happened after the hire and the breakdown, I’m sure a few know what actually went down and who owns culpability. Could be Mullin, Slice, Matt or combination thereof.
 
Was going to stay out of this discussion because I really don't get the back and forth points being made. Sure most were for the Slice hire and I don't think posters are retrospectively being critical of the hire but of the DEBACLE it turned into. CM has to take some culpability in it not working out and whoever was responsible for giving a six year guaranteed contract at a half a million per or more to an assistant coach who we really couldn't get rid of if we wanted to because the spector of his contract remained for its's duration.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=284813]I'm one who has knocked Mullin for the Slice debacle. I was for the Slice hiring so if I was trying to say he shouldn't have hired him that would absolutely be hypocritical of me so I dont have a problem at all with Beast defending Mullin on calling out people who were for and then against a Slice hiring ( maybe John Kerry is a fan )

Info like Panther2 have in regards to why he didnt like the hiring only he and a few others on this board would have been privy to before Mullin hired him so I totally believe Panther when he says it because he is big time connected locally

For me personally the reason why I knocked Mullin in regards to Slice is that it's almost unheard of for something like this to happen with a contract that big and long after only one year and I think he should have been a better manager of egos and of the program and finding a way to make it work and stop the sniping behind peoples back within the staff[/quote]

I will obviously defer to Panther on the AAU insight and agree that Slice was more of a deal maker than a recruiter. He was a used car salesman par excellence but for high end recruits when the incentive was Pitt or Kentucky. It is hard to sell St. John's given its track record. I also agree that it was a couple of St. John's supporters who "inspired" Mullin in the hire. THEY are and have alway been the hypocrites in this debacle.
That said, it is painfully obvious that Chris is going down the same path he did at Golden State where he was often criticized for both bad decisions and not working well with management. At St. John's that has been reflected in his unwillingness to report to a lowly A.D. or in keeping dead weight like Richmond on the staff.
In the end it will be what his team does on the court next year and the recruits he signs to keep the program viable from year 5 forward. Unlike the lower end supporters that ushered Chris to the throne there are a few big ticket donors that are getting frustrated with the r.o.i.
In the end, at St. John's it is about dollars and common sense.
 
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I understand that Rohrssen is being paid to sit at home, but is this guy going to return to the game?

No one in their right mind will hire him as a head coach after seeing that he coached Manhattan to a 6-25 record with his players and five years into his regime.

I guess with that money he can retire and work at a bar or something similar to what he did before becoming a recruiter.
 
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