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[quote="Chicago Days" post=284400][quote="JohnnyFan" post=284362]Many are lauding this year's roster as the most talented under Mullin. That may be true. However, I would make the case that we essentially have three very good players and a host of question marks. The remaining eight active players offer no guarantees.
Dixon -1 yr experience in a mid major conference.
Keita -1 yr experience with limited minutes and production
Trimble -1 yr experience. Solid play, conditioning concerns
LJF -1 yr in Junior College
Gregg Williams -Freshman
Josh Roberts -Freshman
M. Ellington -Freshman
Diakite -Freshman/Injury
I think a few of these players may be ready to contribute to a Big East team. But, it's a fact that we really don't know for sure.[/quote]
Hey JohnnyFan, i hear you and agree on Keita, but wasn't Dixon Freshman of the year in the MAAC and hasn't the 'word' on him in practice been very good: 'steady player, good shooter'?
Also agree, we don't know what to fully expect from LJF following 1 year in JUCO--but what a year: 1st team JUCO AA as a frosh and deadly shooting and very good assist stats.
Just sayin'.[/quote]
Agree there are some decent signs. Just making the point that we really don't know.
Also, even under the best circumstances, freshman and JUCO transfers usually take some time before they flourish.
Dixon -1 yr experience in a mid major conference.
Keita -1 yr experience with limited minutes and production
Trimble -1 yr experience. Solid play, conditioning concerns
LJF -1 yr in Junior College
Gregg Williams -Freshman
Josh Roberts -Freshman
M. Ellington -Freshman
Diakite -Freshman/Injury
I think a few of these players may be ready to contribute to a Big East team. But, it's a fact that we really don't know for sure.[/quote]
Hey JohnnyFan, i hear you and agree on Keita, but wasn't Dixon Freshman of the year in the MAAC and hasn't the 'word' on him in practice been very good: 'steady player, good shooter'?
Also agree, we don't know what to fully expect from LJF following 1 year in JUCO--but what a year: 1st team JUCO AA as a frosh and deadly shooting and very good assist stats.
Just sayin'.[/quote]
Agree there are some decent signs. Just making the point that we really don't know.
Also, even under the best circumstances, freshman and JUCO transfers usually take some time before they flourish.
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redfan259999888
Active member
[quote="Chicago Days" post=284400][quote="JohnnyFan" post=284362]Many are lauding this year's roster as the most talented under Mullin. That may be true. However, I would make the case that we essentially have three very good players and a host of question marks. The remaining eight active players offer no guarantees.
Dixon -1 yr experience in a mid major conference.
Keita -1 yr experience with limited minutes and production
Trimble -1 yr experience. Solid play, conditioning concerns
LJF -1 yr in Junior College
Gregg Williams -Freshman
Josh Roberts -Freshman
M. Ellington -Freshman
Diakite -Freshman/Injury
I think a few of these players may be ready to contribute to a Big East team. But, it's a fact that we really don't know for sure.[/quote]
Hey JohnnyFan, i hear you and agree on Keita, but wasn't Dixon Freshman of the year in the MAAC and hasn't the 'word' on him in practice been very good: 'steady player, good shooter'?
Also agree, we don't know what to fully expect from LJF following 1 year in JUCO--but what a year: 1st team JUCO AA as a frosh and deadly shooting and very good assist stats.
Just sayin'.[/quote]
A Marcus Hatten type would help.
Dixon -1 yr experience in a mid major conference.
Keita -1 yr experience with limited minutes and production
Trimble -1 yr experience. Solid play, conditioning concerns
LJF -1 yr in Junior College
Gregg Williams -Freshman
Josh Roberts -Freshman
M. Ellington -Freshman
Diakite -Freshman/Injury
I think a few of these players may be ready to contribute to a Big East team. But, it's a fact that we really don't know for sure.[/quote]
Hey JohnnyFan, i hear you and agree on Keita, but wasn't Dixon Freshman of the year in the MAAC and hasn't the 'word' on him in practice been very good: 'steady player, good shooter'?
Also agree, we don't know what to fully expect from LJF following 1 year in JUCO--but what a year: 1st team JUCO AA as a frosh and deadly shooting and very good assist stats.
Just sayin'.[/quote]
A Marcus Hatten type would help.
tom in salem
Well-known member
[quote="OLV72" post=284411]Had anybody analyzed the other 2018/19 big east rosters? I’m too lazy but I think we’re probably pretty favorable outside of nova, Marquette and maybe a couple of others.
It’s not as if we’re facing the big east of the past couple of seasons.[/quote]
Add Butler and Creighton and likely PC.
The bottom 5 are all pretty bad, save G'Town..
It’s not as if we’re facing the big east of the past couple of seasons.[/quote]
Add Butler and Creighton and likely PC.
The bottom 5 are all pretty bad, save G'Town..
[quote="Tom in Salem" post=284438][quote="OLV72" post=284411]Had anybody analyzed the other 2018/19 big east rosters? I’m too lazy but I think we’re probably pretty favorable outside of nova, Marquette and maybe a couple of others.
It’s not as if we’re facing the big east of the past couple of seasons.[/quote]
Add Butler and Creighton and likely PC.
The bottom 5 are all pretty bad, save G'Town..[/quote]
If you add those 3 to the first two that;s 5 and you say save Gtown that's 6. Then you say the bottom 5 (only 4 left) are pretty bad that has to include us.
It’s not as if we’re facing the big east of the past couple of seasons.[/quote]
Add Butler and Creighton and likely PC.
The bottom 5 are all pretty bad, save G'Town..[/quote]
If you add those 3 to the first two that;s 5 and you say save Gtown that's 6. Then you say the bottom 5 (only 4 left) are pretty bad that has to include us.
Class of 72
Active member
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=284361]Are we really threatening people now who post unpopular opinions, even if they do so repeatedly? This program has been dysfunctional for nearly two decades. What exactly should be people be posting about on this message board? If you don't want to read about it, just skip over the topic.[/quote]
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.
redfan259999888
Active member
[quote="Class of 72" post=284444][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=284361]Are we really threatening people now who post unpopular opinions, even if they do so repeatedly? This program has been dysfunctional for nearly two decades. What exactly should be people be posting about on this message board? If you don't want to read about it, just skip over the topic.[/quote]
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.[/quote]
Yeah well I tried yankee chat in baseball, that was a month and a week ago.
Mj tried met chat there, on the same day.
No replies, and we aren't going to reply to ourselves, so I guess this will be the place to discuss baseball.
You don't like it, then don't look.
It's right there in the title what the thread is about, so no surprises.
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.[/quote]
Yeah well I tried yankee chat in baseball, that was a month and a week ago.
Mj tried met chat there, on the same day.
No replies, and we aren't going to reply to ourselves, so I guess this will be the place to discuss baseball.
You don't like it, then don't look.
It's right there in the title what the thread is about, so no surprises.
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=284361]Are we really threatening people now who post unpopular opinions, even if they do so repeatedly? .......[/quote]
1. Please re-read the Rules.
2. No one has ever "threatened" (your phrase) for posting "unpopular opinions".
3. If you disagree with the Rules then you should perhaps find an alternate site. Redmen.com will refund your annual subscription.
4. If you have any objections then please feel free to send me a "private message"
5. capiche?
1. Please re-read the Rules.
2. No one has ever "threatened" (your phrase) for posting "unpopular opinions".
3. If you disagree with the Rules then you should perhaps find an alternate site. Redmen.com will refund your annual subscription.
4. If you have any objections then please feel free to send me a "private message"
5. capiche?
JohnnyFever
Active member
“This is a formal warning” is an implied threat of censorship if you go back to see context. The mods can run this site however they want, but why run it like a military boot camp? Relax, it’s sports...this is where we come to escape and talk SJ hoops. I mean, are you going to buy software that bans people after detecting (god forbid) that the same topic was discussed more than once? As someone else said, just skip over posts you don’t agree with or care for. Are we not grown men who know how to scroll in 1 second? I’m not posting ridiculous pictures or trying to spread some virus or random letters over and over. Everyone repeats their points because that’s what debates are. How about politely PMing a poster “Hey man I know you probably don’t do it intentionally, but can you please avoid posting _________ in this thread? Thanks!” instead of public lashing?
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=284238][quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]
Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]
This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]
Battling DePaul for last place for the past 3 years is doing a "decent" job? These past 3 years have been some of the worst in program history and they might even be a low water mark in the 100+ year history. If they aren't the actual low water mark, they have to be close. We all knew it was a big task but Mullin was given a grace period. The evidence is that he is in over his head, which is why there are national articles having him firmly on the hot seat. This is a competitive business...you can't let nostalgia cloud reality. We all love Mullin the player. We all love Mullin the person. But he has shown no ability to coach this program to the point of competing for NCAA berths thus far. What is the evidence you are going by to back your claim that he has been doing "decent"? Of course he started with nothing. But guess what? He has something, and he hasn't done anything with that something other than a few shocking OOC wins. No one is talking about year 1. He just finished year 3 and is on to year 4. You can't hide behind his first year when he was afforded honeymoon status. Let's talk about the here and now. The experiment has been an objective failure, however he has 1 more season to prove he can right the ship. I will wish him the best while also trusting my gut based on the evidence thus far.[/quote]
Again, still you and others don’t recognize or acknowledge any context to Mullin’s three years. You are the type of “fan” who would have looked for Jay Wright’s, K’s, or Calhoun’s job after a similar time span as Mullin. You offer the “battling DePaul” nonsense when all it does for me is show me how little you know about the game, program building, or just basketball in general. But don’t feel bad, this board is full of people with as little knowledge or perspective as you. So keep posting, I can use the laughs. It breaks up the monotony of trying to figure out how a staff that doesn’t recruit has a full roster.
Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]
This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]
Battling DePaul for last place for the past 3 years is doing a "decent" job? These past 3 years have been some of the worst in program history and they might even be a low water mark in the 100+ year history. If they aren't the actual low water mark, they have to be close. We all knew it was a big task but Mullin was given a grace period. The evidence is that he is in over his head, which is why there are national articles having him firmly on the hot seat. This is a competitive business...you can't let nostalgia cloud reality. We all love Mullin the player. We all love Mullin the person. But he has shown no ability to coach this program to the point of competing for NCAA berths thus far. What is the evidence you are going by to back your claim that he has been doing "decent"? Of course he started with nothing. But guess what? He has something, and he hasn't done anything with that something other than a few shocking OOC wins. No one is talking about year 1. He just finished year 3 and is on to year 4. You can't hide behind his first year when he was afforded honeymoon status. Let's talk about the here and now. The experiment has been an objective failure, however he has 1 more season to prove he can right the ship. I will wish him the best while also trusting my gut based on the evidence thus far.[/quote]
Again, still you and others don’t recognize or acknowledge any context to Mullin’s three years. You are the type of “fan” who would have looked for Jay Wright’s, K’s, or Calhoun’s job after a similar time span as Mullin. You offer the “battling DePaul” nonsense when all it does for me is show me how little you know about the game, program building, or just basketball in general. But don’t feel bad, this board is full of people with as little knowledge or perspective as you. So keep posting, I can use the laughs. It breaks up the monotony of trying to figure out how a staff that doesn’t recruit has a full roster.
[quote="Class of 72" post=284444][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=284361]Are we really threatening people now who post unpopular opinions, even if they do so repeatedly? This program has been dysfunctional for nearly two decades. What exactly should be people be posting about on this message board? If you don't want to read about it, just skip over the topic.[/quote]
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.[/quote] leave the Mets and yanks alone and especially the all things Maher thread because my thread covers all topics including sju hoops
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.[/quote] leave the Mets and yanks alone and especially the all things Maher thread because my thread covers all topics including sju hoops
[quote="Logen" post=284459][quote="Mike Zaun" post=284238][quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]
Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]
This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]
Battling DePaul for last place for the past 3 years is doing a "decent" job? These past 3 years have been some of the worst in program history and they might even be a low water mark in the 100+ year history. If they aren't the actual low water mark, they have to be close. We all knew it was a big task but Mullin was given a grace period. The evidence is that he is in over his head, which is why there are national articles having him firmly on the hot seat. This is a competitive business...you can't let nostalgia cloud reality. We all love Mullin the player. We all love Mullin the person. But he has shown no ability to coach this program to the point of competing for NCAA berths thus far. What is the evidence you are going by to back your claim that he has been doing "decent"? Of course he started with nothing. But guess what? He has something, and he hasn't done anything with that something other than a few shocking OOC wins. No one is talking about year 1. He just finished year 3 and is on to year 4. You can't hide behind his first year when he was afforded honeymoon status. Let's talk about the here and now. The experiment has been an objective failure, however he has 1 more season to prove he can right the ship. I will wish him the best while also trusting my gut based on the evidence thus far.[/quote]
Again, still you and others don’t recognize or acknowledge any context to Mullin’s three years. You are the type of “fan” who would have looked for Jay Wright’s, K’s, or Calhoun’s job after a similar time span as Mullin. You offer the “battling DePaul” nonsense when all it does for me is show me how little you know about the game, program building, or just basketball in general. But don’t feel bad, this board is full of people with as little knowledge or perspective as you. So keep posting, I can use the laughs. It breaks up the monotony of trying to figure out how a staff that doesn’t recruit has a full roster.[/quote]
To be fair, I think the unrest is not an issue of being impatient about results. It's more about the perception of effort, strategy and the flawed make-up of the staff. I would guess Wright, K and Calhoun were not using the hands-off, unorthodox approach that we are seeing with Mullin.
Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]
This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]
Battling DePaul for last place for the past 3 years is doing a "decent" job? These past 3 years have been some of the worst in program history and they might even be a low water mark in the 100+ year history. If they aren't the actual low water mark, they have to be close. We all knew it was a big task but Mullin was given a grace period. The evidence is that he is in over his head, which is why there are national articles having him firmly on the hot seat. This is a competitive business...you can't let nostalgia cloud reality. We all love Mullin the player. We all love Mullin the person. But he has shown no ability to coach this program to the point of competing for NCAA berths thus far. What is the evidence you are going by to back your claim that he has been doing "decent"? Of course he started with nothing. But guess what? He has something, and he hasn't done anything with that something other than a few shocking OOC wins. No one is talking about year 1. He just finished year 3 and is on to year 4. You can't hide behind his first year when he was afforded honeymoon status. Let's talk about the here and now. The experiment has been an objective failure, however he has 1 more season to prove he can right the ship. I will wish him the best while also trusting my gut based on the evidence thus far.[/quote]
Again, still you and others don’t recognize or acknowledge any context to Mullin’s three years. You are the type of “fan” who would have looked for Jay Wright’s, K’s, or Calhoun’s job after a similar time span as Mullin. You offer the “battling DePaul” nonsense when all it does for me is show me how little you know about the game, program building, or just basketball in general. But don’t feel bad, this board is full of people with as little knowledge or perspective as you. So keep posting, I can use the laughs. It breaks up the monotony of trying to figure out how a staff that doesn’t recruit has a full roster.[/quote]
To be fair, I think the unrest is not an issue of being impatient about results. It's more about the perception of effort, strategy and the flawed make-up of the staff. I would guess Wright, K and Calhoun were not using the hands-off, unorthodox approach that we are seeing with Mullin.
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bamafan wrote:Tom in Salem wrote:
OLV72 wrote: Had anybody analyzed the other 2018/19 big east rosters? I’m too lazy but I think we’re probably pretty favorable outside of nova, Marquette and maybe a couple of others.
It’s not as if we’re facing the big east of the past couple of seasons.
Add Butler and Creighton and likely PC.
The bottom 5 are all pretty bad, save G'Town..
If you add those 3 to the first two that;s 5 and you say save Gtown that's 6. Then you say the bottom 5 (only 4 left) are pretty bad that has to include us.
It's difficult to predict the strength of other BE teams next year as in most cases rosters shown are from last year and while 2018 freshman recruits are listed on ESPN, grad transfers are still in flux. Having said that, I expect PC to be very good next year. They used a 10 man rotation last year and return 7 of those guys including Diallo, who should have a breakout year. They also get back Emit Holt, a medical redshirt big who would have been a starter last year if healthy and 2 ESPN top 60 freshman guards. I will be very surprised if they are not in top 3 of BE next year along with Marquette and Nova. Seems like we should be competing for 4th or 5th place along with Butler & Creighton. Of course a lot can change between now and November so who the heck knows?
OLV72 wrote: Had anybody analyzed the other 2018/19 big east rosters? I’m too lazy but I think we’re probably pretty favorable outside of nova, Marquette and maybe a couple of others.
It’s not as if we’re facing the big east of the past couple of seasons.
Add Butler and Creighton and likely PC.
The bottom 5 are all pretty bad, save G'Town..
If you add those 3 to the first two that;s 5 and you say save Gtown that's 6. Then you say the bottom 5 (only 4 left) are pretty bad that has to include us.
It's difficult to predict the strength of other BE teams next year as in most cases rosters shown are from last year and while 2018 freshman recruits are listed on ESPN, grad transfers are still in flux. Having said that, I expect PC to be very good next year. They used a 10 man rotation last year and return 7 of those guys including Diallo, who should have a breakout year. They also get back Emit Holt, a medical redshirt big who would have been a starter last year if healthy and 2 ESPN top 60 freshman guards. I will be very surprised if they are not in top 3 of BE next year along with Marquette and Nova. Seems like we should be competing for 4th or 5th place along with Butler & Creighton. Of course a lot can change between now and November so who the heck knows?
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=284461][quote="Logen" post=284459][quote="Mike Zaun" post=284238][quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]
Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]
This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]
Battling DePaul for last place for the past 3 years is doing a "decent" job? These past 3 years have been some of the worst in program history and they might even be a low water mark in the 100+ year history. If they aren't the actual low water mark, they have to be close. We all knew it was a big task but Mullin was given a grace period. The evidence is that he is in over his head, which is why there are national articles having him firmly on the hot seat. This is a competitive business...you can't let nostalgia cloud reality. We all love Mullin the player. We all love Mullin the person. But he has shown no ability to coach this program to the point of competing for NCAA berths thus far. What is the evidence you are going by to back your claim that he has been doing "decent"? Of course he started with nothing. But guess what? He has something, and he hasn't done anything with that something other than a few shocking OOC wins. No one is talking about year 1. He just finished year 3 and is on to year 4. You can't hide behind his first year when he was afforded honeymoon status. Let's talk about the here and now. The experiment has been an objective failure, however he has 1 more season to prove he can right the ship. I will wish him the best while also trusting my gut based on the evidence thus far.[/quote]
Again, still you and others don’t recognize or acknowledge any context to Mullin’s three years. You are the type of “fan” who would have looked for Jay Wright’s, K’s, or Calhoun’s job after a similar time span as Mullin. You offer the “battling DePaul” nonsense when all it does for me is show me how little you know about the game, program building, or just basketball in general. But don’t feel bad, this board is full of people with as little knowledge or perspective as you. So keep posting, I can use the laughs. It breaks up the monotony of trying to figure out how a staff that doesn’t recruit has a full roster.[/quote]
To be fair, I think the unrest is not an issue of being impatient about results. It's more about the perception of effort, strategy and the flawed make-up the of staff. I would guess Wright, K and Calhoun were not using the hands-off, unorthodox approach that we are seeing with Mullin.[/quote]
To add: Jay Wright, Coach K, and Calhoun all had coaching experience before they were head coaches. They were also young coaches, and neither were multi-millionaires and likely had a fire burning in their bellies to make it work on the sidelines. Not to mention, each of those coaches also took their respective teams to the NIT (Wright went his first three seasons at 'Nova, Coach K went his first season at Duke, and Calhoun won the NIT during his second season at UConn) in their first couple seasons. I've heard Wright and Coach K stating how they knew they had to "win' in their 4th season, if they wanted to stick around.
For every Wright, Coach K and Calhoun, there are also lots of other coaches who never "got it." Again, our complaint is about effort on the recruiting trail and the unsound staff make up. How many people are openly calling for Mullin's head? Lastly, I highly doubt this team would have the same look if it wasn't for Matt.
Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]
This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]
Battling DePaul for last place for the past 3 years is doing a "decent" job? These past 3 years have been some of the worst in program history and they might even be a low water mark in the 100+ year history. If they aren't the actual low water mark, they have to be close. We all knew it was a big task but Mullin was given a grace period. The evidence is that he is in over his head, which is why there are national articles having him firmly on the hot seat. This is a competitive business...you can't let nostalgia cloud reality. We all love Mullin the player. We all love Mullin the person. But he has shown no ability to coach this program to the point of competing for NCAA berths thus far. What is the evidence you are going by to back your claim that he has been doing "decent"? Of course he started with nothing. But guess what? He has something, and he hasn't done anything with that something other than a few shocking OOC wins. No one is talking about year 1. He just finished year 3 and is on to year 4. You can't hide behind his first year when he was afforded honeymoon status. Let's talk about the here and now. The experiment has been an objective failure, however he has 1 more season to prove he can right the ship. I will wish him the best while also trusting my gut based on the evidence thus far.[/quote]
Again, still you and others don’t recognize or acknowledge any context to Mullin’s three years. You are the type of “fan” who would have looked for Jay Wright’s, K’s, or Calhoun’s job after a similar time span as Mullin. You offer the “battling DePaul” nonsense when all it does for me is show me how little you know about the game, program building, or just basketball in general. But don’t feel bad, this board is full of people with as little knowledge or perspective as you. So keep posting, I can use the laughs. It breaks up the monotony of trying to figure out how a staff that doesn’t recruit has a full roster.[/quote]
To be fair, I think the unrest is not an issue of being impatient about results. It's more about the perception of effort, strategy and the flawed make-up the of staff. I would guess Wright, K and Calhoun were not using the hands-off, unorthodox approach that we are seeing with Mullin.[/quote]
To add: Jay Wright, Coach K, and Calhoun all had coaching experience before they were head coaches. They were also young coaches, and neither were multi-millionaires and likely had a fire burning in their bellies to make it work on the sidelines. Not to mention, each of those coaches also took their respective teams to the NIT (Wright went his first three seasons at 'Nova, Coach K went his first season at Duke, and Calhoun won the NIT during his second season at UConn) in their first couple seasons. I've heard Wright and Coach K stating how they knew they had to "win' in their 4th season, if they wanted to stick around.
For every Wright, Coach K and Calhoun, there are also lots of other coaches who never "got it." Again, our complaint is about effort on the recruiting trail and the unsound staff make up. How many people are openly calling for Mullin's head? Lastly, I highly doubt this team would have the same look if it wasn't for Matt.
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[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=284450][quote="Class of 72" post=284444][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=284361]Are we really threatening people now who post unpopular opinions, even if they do so repeatedly? This program has been dysfunctional for nearly two decades. What exactly should be people be posting about on this message board? If you don't want to read about it, just skip over the topic.[/quote]
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.[/quote]
Yeah well I tried yankee chat in baseball, that was a month and a week ago.
Mj tried met chat there, on the same day.
No replies, and we aren't going to reply to ourselves, so I guess this will be the place to discuss baseball.
You don't like it, then don't look.
It's right there in the title what the thread is about, so no surprises.[/quote]
Well rules are rules and they must be followed!
I was just breaking coglioni.
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.[/quote]
Yeah well I tried yankee chat in baseball, that was a month and a week ago.
Mj tried met chat there, on the same day.
No replies, and we aren't going to reply to ourselves, so I guess this will be the place to discuss baseball.
You don't like it, then don't look.
It's right there in the title what the thread is about, so no surprises.[/quote]
Well rules are rules and they must be followed!
I was just breaking coglioni.
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[quote="mjmaherjr" post=284460][quote="Class of 72" post=284444][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=284361]Are we really threatening people now who post unpopular opinions, even if they do so repeatedly? This program has been dysfunctional for nearly two decades. What exactly should be people be posting about on this message board? If you don't want to read about it, just skip over the topic.[/quote]
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.[/quote] leave the Mets and yanks alone and especially the all things Maher thread because my thread covers all topics including sju hoops[/quote]
You of all people took me seriously? You know I don't give a crapola about rules! Just highlighting what it would be like if everything is taken literally. Most of the mods use discretion.
Yes and it is by means of camouflage using the old spamming mantra. Ironically a "Mullin" thread is on the Forum to discuss all opinions "Mullin". Many, if not most of us, get suckered into discussing Mullin and staff under every other topic as soon as one fan opens the door. If the mods truly are miffed about repetitive Mullin posts then lock the thread.
OTIS may have us a favor by reposting the code of conduct because it was either missing or hidden with the updated format. Nothing against Mets or Yankees fans but that topic doesn't belong in the basketball forum. Neither do the Knicks. I appreciate a well ordered and maintained Forum so unless something changes on the recruiting or staff front, there really isn't that much new here to discuss unless it is in the Players Lounge.
There are three major issues that are worth discussing in the next few weeks: 1. Ponds, 2. Recruiting/player changes, 3. Staff changes.
Hopefully everyone has gotten over the personal insults as it is the only area that is annoying to most.[/quote] leave the Mets and yanks alone and especially the all things Maher thread because my thread covers all topics including sju hoops[/quote]
You of all people took me seriously?
You know I don't give a crapola about rules! Just highlighting what it would be like if everything is taken literally. Most of the mods use discretion.
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[quote="JohnnyFan" post=284461][quote="Logen" post=284459][quote="Mike Zaun" post=284238][quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]
Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]
This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]
Battling DePaul for last place for the past 3 years is doing a "decent" job? These past 3 years have been some of the worst in program history and they might even be a low water mark in the 100+ year history. If they aren't the actual low water mark, they have to be close. We all knew it was a big task but Mullin was given a grace period. The evidence is that he is in over his head, which is why there are national articles having him firmly on the hot seat. This is a competitive business...you can't let nostalgia cloud reality. We all love Mullin the player. We all love Mullin the person. But he has shown no ability to coach this program to the point of competing for NCAA berths thus far. What is the evidence you are going by to back your claim that he has been doing "decent"? Of course he started with nothing. But guess what? He has something, and he hasn't done anything with that something other than a few shocking OOC wins. No one is talking about year 1. He just finished year 3 and is on to year 4. You can't hide behind his first year when he was afforded honeymoon status. Let's talk about the here and now. The experiment has been an objective failure, however he has 1 more season to prove he can right the ship. I will wish him the best while also trusting my gut based on the evidence thus far.[/quote]
Again, still you and others don’t recognize or acknowledge any context to Mullin’s three years. You are the type of “fan” who would have looked for Jay Wright’s, K’s, or Calhoun’s job after a similar time span as Mullin. You offer the “battling DePaul” nonsense when all it does for me is show me how little you know about the game, program building, or just basketball in general. But don’t feel bad, this board is full of people with as little knowledge or perspective as you. So keep posting, I can use the laughs. It breaks up the monotony of trying to figure out how a staff that doesn’t recruit has a full roster.[/quote]
To be fair, I think the unrest is not an issue of being impatient about results. It's more about the perception of effort, strategy and the flawed make-up the of staff. I would guess Wright, K and Calhoun were not using the hands-off, unorthodox approach that we are seeing with Mullin.[/quote]
Bingo!
Comparisons to the early years of coach K, Wright and Calhoun are an insult to those coaches. I don't know of any staff that would be comparable to our bold experiment.
Those three coaches were not only much younger than Chris but made long term commitments to Duke, Villanova and Uconn. They didn't start their careers firing their hand picked associate head coach and abruptly selling their home on Long Island and moving the family homestead back to the Bay area. Everything about the experiment has been unorthodox. Most fans here were/are seeking stability and a winning record. That has been elusive in the first three years. If Ponds returns this team should challenge for the top 5 in the Big East. Hopefully, if this thread is still active we will all become pollyannas.:cheer:
Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]
This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]
Battling DePaul for last place for the past 3 years is doing a "decent" job? These past 3 years have been some of the worst in program history and they might even be a low water mark in the 100+ year history. If they aren't the actual low water mark, they have to be close. We all knew it was a big task but Mullin was given a grace period. The evidence is that he is in over his head, which is why there are national articles having him firmly on the hot seat. This is a competitive business...you can't let nostalgia cloud reality. We all love Mullin the player. We all love Mullin the person. But he has shown no ability to coach this program to the point of competing for NCAA berths thus far. What is the evidence you are going by to back your claim that he has been doing "decent"? Of course he started with nothing. But guess what? He has something, and he hasn't done anything with that something other than a few shocking OOC wins. No one is talking about year 1. He just finished year 3 and is on to year 4. You can't hide behind his first year when he was afforded honeymoon status. Let's talk about the here and now. The experiment has been an objective failure, however he has 1 more season to prove he can right the ship. I will wish him the best while also trusting my gut based on the evidence thus far.[/quote]
Again, still you and others don’t recognize or acknowledge any context to Mullin’s three years. You are the type of “fan” who would have looked for Jay Wright’s, K’s, or Calhoun’s job after a similar time span as Mullin. You offer the “battling DePaul” nonsense when all it does for me is show me how little you know about the game, program building, or just basketball in general. But don’t feel bad, this board is full of people with as little knowledge or perspective as you. So keep posting, I can use the laughs. It breaks up the monotony of trying to figure out how a staff that doesn’t recruit has a full roster.[/quote]
To be fair, I think the unrest is not an issue of being impatient about results. It's more about the perception of effort, strategy and the flawed make-up the of staff. I would guess Wright, K and Calhoun were not using the hands-off, unorthodox approach that we are seeing with Mullin.[/quote]
Bingo!
Comparisons to the early years of coach K, Wright and Calhoun are an insult to those coaches. I don't know of any staff that would be comparable to our bold experiment.
Those three coaches were not only much younger than Chris but made long term commitments to Duke, Villanova and Uconn. They didn't start their careers firing their hand picked associate head coach and abruptly selling their home on Long Island and moving the family homestead back to the Bay area. Everything about the experiment has been unorthodox. Most fans here were/are seeking stability and a winning record. That has been elusive in the first three years. If Ponds returns this team should challenge for the top 5 in the Big East. Hopefully, if this thread is still active we will all become pollyannas.:cheer:
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[quote="OhioFan" post=284478]72. Don't you mean Hoden?[/quote]
lol! Unfortunately my hoden have shrunk with age.
lol! Unfortunately my hoden have shrunk with age.
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