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[quote="Chicago Days" post=281983][quote="NCJohnnie" post=281948]Jerseyshorejohnny wrote: www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2018/4/20/1726...th-issues-rebounding

Thanks for posting, JSJ. Article certainly picked up on two key concerns going forward - rebounding and keeping Keita on the floor. Look forward to reading part 2 next week.[/quote]

Thanks JSJ. Good piece. Particularly loved the comment "...last year's team was one of the worst rebounding teams on both ends of the floor in the country." What distinction![/quote]

We lost 11 straight BE games for a reason.......and it wasn't our back court.
 
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Trimble listed as 6' 3", 190 lbs.? I would have said shorter and heavier.
 
[quote="salty dog" post=284223]I remember when lots of posters on this forum didn’t think winning 20 games was much of an acomplishment any more even though it was a staple of Looie’s teams[/quote]

When Mullin wins that 20th game in a season some here will proclaim him one of the greatest coaches in St. John's basketball history. SlyFox will start a campaign to erect a statue next to that of Joe Lapchick. It will get fully funded by Chris himself and erected in record time. Mission accomplished. Chris moves back to California and his replacement is Tom Pecora who will proclaim it as his dream job. The new St. John's president, Dr. Ravinia Dikshit, formerly of Calcutta Technical College, proclaims him a home run. Carnesecca Arena mysteriously burns to the ground. Witnesses described a short balding white haired male holding a wine glass and smoking a cigar as the last person seen leaving the building.
All home games are rescheduled to be played at York College Health & Physical Education Complex. Ticket prices are reduced to $5 with students admitted free. Jack Williams becomes the first and only student to attend a game until he is mugged.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]

Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]

Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]

This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.
 
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I am not anti Muliin but perhaps we should have hired a more experienced coach.I was for the .Rohressen move however why that did not workout was not all his fault, that aside yes Mullin is here now going on yr 4 ,if something good does not happen this yr
moves will have to be made either with coach or staff.I think we get into the top 4 or 5 and stay out of the bottom half of the league
its progress but I think if we are near the bottom again it is not going to fly
 
[quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]

Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]

This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]

Battling DePaul for last place for the past 3 years is doing a "decent" job? These past 3 years have been some of the worst in program history and they might even be a low water mark in the 100+ year history. If they aren't the actual low water mark, they have to be close. We all knew it was a big task but Mullin was given a grace period. The evidence is that he is in over his head, which is why there are national articles having him firmly on the hot seat. This is a competitive business...you can't let nostalgia cloud reality. We all love Mullin the player. We all love Mullin the person. But he has shown no ability to coach this program to the point of competing for NCAA berths thus far. What is the evidence you are going by to back your claim that he has been doing "decent"? Of course he started with nothing. But guess what? He has something, and he hasn't done anything with that something other than a few shocking OOC wins. No one is talking about year 1. He just finished year 3 and is on to year 4. You can't hide behind his first year when he was afforded honeymoon status. Let's talk about the here and now. The experiment has been an objective failure, however he has 1 more season to prove he can right the ship. I will wish him the best while also trusting my gut based on the evidence thus far.
 
[quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]

Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]

This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]

When a rookie coach is being paid two million, and doesn't have to report to his athletic director, I think many of us expected better results and better energy and effort from the staff.
 
[quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]

Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]


This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]

Hey Logen, I am pro-Mullin and wasn’t criticizing Mullin in any way in the above post. I have questioned some of his recruiting ‘no-shows’ and why our staff remains dysfunctional/undermanned recruiting-wise, but have accepted it is what it is...until it changes.
Sounds Confucian, hey??
We were discussing what would constitute a great season and the necessity—for the program’s future—to get good quality 2019 recruits to come to St. John’s.
That was it.
 
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[quote="Las Vegan" post=284242][quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]

Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]

This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]

When a rookie coach is being paid two million, and doesn't have to report to his athletic director, I think many of us expected better results and better energy and effort from the staff.[/quote]

You are wasting keystrokes on the dozen or so guardians of mediocrity here. There is NO ACCOUNTABILITY as the program is presently constructed. Yes, we expected better recruits but the piss poor records and the coach losing over 10 players he recruited doesn't sell much with handlers. As for the energy, Mullin and Richmond spend more time in the off season accumulating frequent flyer miles visiting family in California than recruiting. The salaries are an embarrassment to the university. Paying an associate head coach over $500K for doing nothing is criminal. Perhaps President Bobby should try to renegotiate Mullin’s contract as he did with Lavin and offer him a pay cut to cover Slice's salary.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=284245][quote="Las Vegan" post=284242][quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]

Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]

This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]

When a rookie coach is being paid two million, and doesn't have to report to his athletic director, I think many of us expected better results and better energy and effort from the staff.[/quote]

You are wasting keystrokes on the dozen or so guardians of mediocrity here. There is NO ACCOUNTABILITY as the program is presently constructed. Yrs, we expected better recruits but the pissed poor records and the coach losing over 10 players he recruited doesn't sell much with handlers. As for the energy, Mullin and Richmond spend more time in the off season accumulating frequent flyer miles visiting family in California than recruiting. The salaries are an embarrassment to the university. Paying an associate head coach over $500K for doing nothing is criminal. Perhaps President Bobby should try to renegotiate Mullin’s contract as he did with Mullin and offer him a pay cut to cover Slice's salary.[/quote]

$2.5 million a year on coaches who aren't even visible on the recruiting trail.

[attachment=139]mediocrity5.jpeg[/attachment]
 
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"The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing."
lmfao this ^ cracks me up, we'll hear the same old bs 3 years from now, "he inherited nothing. Stop making excuses. In year 4 that excuse needs to stop.
Are we forgetting about all the transfers under mullin. Yeah I know, lets not mention that.

"most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly."
Uh huh, only because he's our 'hero'. What exactly has he done that has been seen as phenomenal?
I don't see nothing special? Yeah, I agree to give him his 4th year, but it's put up or shut up time. No BS excuses in year 4.

"But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter."
Why does it come down to one player though? NCAA team with him, 11 straight losses without him.
Just like this year. With Ponds NCAA, without 8th or 9th? It should never come down to one player, it's a team sport. Even if Ponds returns but gets injured, we have to rely on a JC transfer for our scoring?
He's a pro scorer right "again, more hype". I'm not getting suckered into the hype like I used to.
I'll wait and see for him to prove it.

It's put up or shut up in year 4.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=284251][quote="Class of 72" post=284245][quote="Las Vegan" post=284242][quote="Logen" post=284232][quote="Chicago Days" post=284229][quote="NCJohnnie" post=284217]In my view, we should be a little less specific in our expectations in terms of recruits. I think team needs to win 20 games next year, make the dance and sign a couple of approximately 4 star recruits for 2019. Would love for one to be Kofi, but who knows. Anything less than the tournament next year is a major miss.[/quote]

Hi NCJohnnie. Minimum win totals to qualify for the NCAA aren't written in stone, but 20 wins by us may get us in the NIT--not the NCAA. That'd be a major bummer I think and likely a recruiting setback.
I agree it's likely 'healthy' to not 'expect' to get certain recruits--but Kofi and JG are the two most-mentioned of our 2019 top targets.
This Board would erupt like Mt. Kilauea on the Big Island (Hawaii) IF we missed on those two and two very credible alternatives were not 'netted' in a NY minute afterwards.
Can you imagine?!!?[/quote]

This board is an anti-Mullin pile of unrealistic expectations now and has been almost since his hiring. Why, I don’t know. By any measure he has done a decent job but many here obviously think that his yardstick is one that some of the greatest modern coaches didn’t meet. The fact he inherited NOTHING and was COMPLETELY inexperienced means nothing. I would get the criticism if pointed towards his hiring but at the end of the day, he was hired. I will not post the basketball arguments I have previously posted because no Mullin haters will address them because they can’t but most people I talk to outside of this board think Mullin has done a phenomenal job in getting the program to a quasi-respectable level this quickly. I realize that is just not good enough for most here, criticism is easy especially when one ignores context completely.
The two criticisms I agree with are the hiring of Rohressen and the inability to get a big who could play. Emphasis on “who could play.” We have tried and struck out and depth matters, having a flexible roster matters. But the fact remains we missed LoVett last year more than a big and I wonder what the tenor of the board would be had he not turned out to be a quitter.[/quote]

When a rookie coach is being paid two million, and doesn't have to report to his athletic director, I think many of us expected better results and better energy and effort from the staff.[/quote]

You are wasting keystrokes on the dozen or so guardians of mediocrity here. There is NO ACCOUNTABILITY as the program is presently constructed. Yrs, we expected better recruits but the pissed poor records and the coach losing over 10 players he recruited doesn't sell much with handlers. As for the energy, Mullin and Richmond spend more time in the off season accumulating frequent flyer miles visiting family in California than recruiting. The salaries are an embarrassment to the university. Paying an associate head coach over $500K for doing nothing is criminal. Perhaps President Bobby should try to renegotiate Mullin’s contract as he did with Mullin and offer him a pay cut to cover Slice's salary.[/quote]

$2.5 million a year on coaches who aren't even visible on the recruiting trail.

[attachment=139]mediocrity5.jpeg[/attachment][/quote]

Luv the 'Mediocrity' image, Dink. Thanks.
This 'Rumble' thread swung to 'Grumbles' in a NY Minute.
Funny.
 
All players on the team should get a trophy for participating.
 
All we are doing is reacting to the harsh reality of the past 3 years. Enough BS about what he started with. He has his guys now and has for a while...well....those who haven't jumped ship yet. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Just look at all those running away from Mullin and tell yourself what a great job he's done.
 
Wow.....just read in the locked thread that staff changes are unlikely. That officially does it for me. I am sad that Mullin has chosen this path and I wonder if he realizes what he is doing.

I decided after the Owens' transfer that my support would hinge on acquiring a big and/or a staff adjustment. With neither of these materializing, and with the level of effort reaching new levels of embarrassment, I now cast a vote of no confidence.

I'll always love #20, but I hope we don't waste too many more season with this absurd approach.
 
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There are a number of reasons Mullin deserves criticism but IMO the defection of the ten or so who have left the program is way down on the list. Sima and Owens leaving hurt because of the inability of the staff to bring in a big other than Keita.
Wilson may turn out to be a big east talent but the rest of those leaving are not the players that Simon, Clark, Keita and Dixon will prove to be this season. Players transferring in and out of schools has become more and more common for many reasons.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=284307]All we are doing is reacting to the harsh reality of the past 3 years. Enough BS about what he started with. He has his guys now and has for a while...well....those who haven't jumped ship yet. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Just look at all those running away from Mullin and tell yourself what a great job he's done.[/quote]

Reopening a two week old thread just to bitch is just spamming the board. If you want to keep posting here, you need to stop the BS.

Consider this a formal warning.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=284307]All we are doing is reacting to the harsh reality of the past 3 years. Enough BS about what he started with. He has his guys now and has for a while...well....those who haven't jumped ship yet. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Just look at all those running away from Mullin and tell yourself what a great job he's done.[/quote]

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