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Einstein’s (yeah that guy) definition of insanity was: “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Kind of the down-side of ‘resolute’ wherein ‘staying the course’ produces the same dismal results.
Been in a funk over this quest for a Big Man that seems mired in mud.
I agree that there’s nothing we can do but “Just let it play out” again Sam—that does sound a bit like Einstein’s insanity definition—but who am I to quibble with a genius?
Let’s go Johnnies.
 
Wouldn’t be ironic if the expected ready to play big man does not materialize, but a staff change does.
 
Mullin not having past college coaching experience has been a stain on the program and we SJU basketball lovers. He has improved each year, in my opinion, as a coach with the exception of recruiting, which may be the most important of all. He need s to apply his gym-rat approach to recruiting, like he did as a player. I think most of us are approaching the limit of our patience with the program under Mullin.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=281585]Wouldn’t be ironic if the expected ready to play big man does not materialize, but a staff change does.[/quote]

Stunningly ironic—and hopefully a’good’ change, I.e., a solid AC with recruiting creds.
 
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Again since no one cares about the NIT and in fact as far as I can tell they didn't even have that tournament last year, if Mullin makes the tourney next season he will be as successful as Steve Lavin was. Lavin a coach that most on here were tired of and wanted gone by the end. Personally based on our pathetic history since Lou left I thought he did enough to warrant an extension. He was fired and they hired the face of the program. I find it funny that people were already jumping off bandwagon after year 2 when we haven't had a coach that the majority has liked since 1992. I jumped on board because well he is Chris Mullin. And yes that does mean something because when he played we were what the younger fans on here can only pipe dream about.

If Mullin makes tourney maybe it helps recruiting and things start to turn around. If we don't than I believe one way or the other he will leave. Now those of you "fans" rooting for 2nd scenario should be aware that no coach that the school is going to hire, who will want to come here is going to turn things around quickly. So you are looking at another 3 or 4 year rebuild that none of you seem to be able to handle which is pretty funny considering outside of a few outlier years we have been rebuilding since 1992.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=281552][quote="Class of 72" post=281502][quote="Paultzman" post=281497][quote="Mike Zaun" post=281495]Paultz, sometimes I wonder if you're secretly Matt A, St. Jean, Mullin, or Goff. Either that or you can tolerate a lot more failure than I can...in a good way. I agree, let's wait and see what the roster looks like and what big we get. That being said, it's pretty clear that Mullin desperately needs a real assistant. That can't be spun into "just wait and see" IMO. Again, he's solidly on the hot seat according to every major college hoops pundit and it's obvious to everyone who isn't biased. There's smoke coming from the windows and there are some in denial of the fire inside the building. Imagine going up to a person watching smoke billowing from the windows of an office building and saying "there's no fire...it's just your imagination". They'd look at you cock-eyed. Mullin gets one more year to show he can have even mild success. I just think fans have seen this movie before and it usually doesn't end as nicely as you seem to imply it will.

Caraher is a good get but I'm not letting that cloud next year's importance or the obvious absence of a solid big transfer and lack of big man development.[/quote]
Frankly I was never a big fan of hiring Chris, but interested in seeing him succeed. Next season to me is very important. I just don’t believe in droning on about the staff shortcomings at this point & will leave that to you.[/quote]

I appreciate your honesty about the Mullin hire. I didn't meet one fan at the time of the hire that was optimistic about hiring a completely inexperienced coach. What gave me and others hope was recruiting over the coaching deficiency by the hiring of Slice and Matt. I believed that Matt would excel at the transfer game as he did at Iowa State and Slice would work all the local talent and high level preps as he did at Pitt and Kentucky. When, in the summer of 2016 that duo and Mullin has a falling out, recruiting talent to cover the staff's inexperience became a long shot and it shows in our difficulty in maintaining relationships with some of the top talent because, as has been mentioned here 100 times, Matt cannot do it all and Mitch Richmond obviously has not filled the void left by Slice. Without reconfiguring roles on the staff or adding someone like Rice this staff will have a very difficult time moving from the bottom 5 to the top 5 five where NCAA consideration becomes automatic. I agree we have no choice but to wait and see and have passed the baton to young Mike Zaun to point out the coaching deficiencies in the 4th year because frankly many of us older fans have bigger and more important issues in our lives than worrying about if Mullin gets it or not.[/quote]

Wrong thread for this but I was enthusiastic about the hire at the point of hire, but also aware of the obviously higher risk of failure that goes with lack of experience.

Out of the gate we all thought that Matt and Slice were great hires that would bring high octane recruiting. The whole notion that we had lifted A great recruiter from Kentucky's staff seemed too good to be true.

I never understood the hire of Richmond into special assistant category. It was created by Lavin for Keady, and Lavin left money on the table to pay for Keady, a 6 time national coach of the year and mentor to Steve. It was a benevolent act by lavin to Keady as Keady had lost his wife and the change of life worked out great for him. That being said he appeared to bring some value (not 400k worth but oh well)

I think without an AD, the board was only too willing to give Mullin the budget he asked for to facilitate success. Fill keadys slot with mitch - sure. Hire Matt A. , no brainer. Pay slice a crazy guaranteed salary to pry him.awa from Kentucky- well, that was the digging deep part.

By midsrason #1, it was apparent something was wrong. Slice appeared to have hijacked in game coaching and he and Mullin hardly spoke on the bench if at all. We all know subsequently what happened and it was well chronicled that Matt and Slice were at odds too. Toxic hire and had to exit.

That debacle and failure to rehire something should focus attention on the role Mitch plays. He appears publicly invisible. He is not vocal or animated on the bench, and doesn't appear to be on the recruiting trail but i don't know. Maybe he is a big factor at practice but that's a ton of money for a practice coach.

That being said to me recruiting is 80% of college coaching and we haven't nailed any huge hs recruit since Ponds. Simon was a great transfer add, and clark owens also solid. Since then we haven't made big noise.

Time is running short. To me, the prospect for year 5 is a lot more important that year 4. Even if we dance, its likely as a low at large seed and early exit. But it would set the stage for growth if we have big time talent coming in the following year.

Anton Goff is a great guy, but is he strong enough to actually tell Mullin what to do in terms of staffing? If he fired Mitch or demanded he be replaced, would Chris balk or walk? 400k could buy a lot of coach, if that's what Mitch brings. At some point soon, greg will get HC opportunities. He and Matt are millenials and could leave at any point.

Bottom line is time is running short to build an impressive roster for 2019-20.[/quote]

Did someone clone old 72 into Beast??;)
I agree with you 110 %! The Mitch Richmond hire and role may be the downfall of Chris Mullin yet. Needs to go back to California and his family and replaced by someone with experience and northeast ties. We didn't hire Mullin to continue the friends and family plan as we did with Jarvis and Lavin. Mullin was supposed to be a breath of fresh air but the air is getting stale. Open the window and smell the roses Chris!!!!
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=281585]Wouldn’t be ironic if the expected ready to play big man does not materialize, but a staff change does.[/quote]

Yeah, Mark Jackson is available, if not offered the Knicks HC job. :)
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=281592]Again since no one cares about the NIT and in fact as far as I can tell they didn't even have that tournament last year, if Mullin makes the tourney next season he will be as successful as Steve Lavin was. Lavin a coach that most on here were tired of and wanted gone by the end. Personally based on our pathetic history since Lou left I thought he did enough to warrant an extension. He was fired and they hired the face of the program. I find it funny that people were already jumping off bandwagon after year 2 when we haven't had a coach that the majority has liked since 1992. I jumped on b oard because well he is Chris Mullin. And yes that does mean something because when he played we were what the younger fans on here can only pipe dream about.

If Mullin makes tourney maybe it helps recruiting and things start to turn around. If we don't than I believe one way or the other he will leave. Now those of you "fans" rooting for 2nd scenario should be aware that no coach that the school is going to hire, who will want to come here is going to turn things around quickly. So you are looking at another 3 or 4 year rebuild that none of you seem to be able to handle which is pretty funny considering outside of a few outlier years we have been rebuilding since 1992.[/quote]

Syria rebuild may be easier job. :)
 
Knight wrote: Mullin not having past college coaching experience has been a stain on the program and we SJU basketball lovers. He has improved each year, in my opinion, as a coach with the exception of recruiting, which may be the most important of all. He need s to apply his gym-rat approach to recruiting, like he did as a player. I think most of us are approaching the limit of our patience with the program under Mullin.

As of today, we have 10 scholarship players, 3 of whom many believe will not be ready to play meaningful minutes next year. Of the remaining 7 rotation players, 5 are guards, one is a natural 3 who will be once again forced to play power forward and only one (Keita) is big enough to play center. Would seem obvious we need an 8th rotation player and that player needs to be 6'8" or taller. I think staff definitely deserves a chance to show it can be successful next year, just don't see how they get there without another big. I know many of us, myself included, are becoming repetitive, so this is my last word on the subject until 2018 recruiting season is completed! Promise!
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=281581]Einstein’s (yeah that guy) definition of insanity was: “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Kind of the down-side of ‘resolute’ wherein ‘staying the course’ produces the same dismal results.
Been in a funk over this quest for a Big Man that seems mired in mud.
I agree that there’s nothing we can do but “Just let it play out” again Sam—that does sound a bit like Einstein’s insanity definition—but who am I to quibble with a genius?
Let’s go Johnnies.[/quote]

Exactly my point...if you have a kid failing tests left and right and skipping classes and you know this and throw your hands up saying "Oh well, just...I don't know hope for the best" you are a terrible parent. You have to find out why they are failing and based on that answer you must react with action whether it be extra help, tutors, a reward system, etc. Same applies to Mullin seemingly refusing to add a real assistant. If he's so stubborn that he constantly fails and knows that but refuses to change course, do we really want him as coach? If anything it sounds more like hijacking the program and holding it hostage. Anyway, that's the last I'll say for now...this is a forum after all not sure what else there is to debate or talk about in the offseason. Blue Point Brewery's new location opening in summer?
 
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SAVE THE DATE: Lou Carnesecca Chris Mullin & Mike Zaun Golf Classic Set For Thursday, June 14 #SJUBB #WeAreNewYorksTeam
 
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[quote="Chicago Days" post=281591][quote="Paultzman" post=281585]Wouldn’t be ironic if the expected ready to play big man does not materialize, but a staff change does.[/quote]

Stunningly ironic—and hopefully a’good’ change, I.e., a solid AC with recruiting creds.[/quote]
When Mullin came on, he talked about hitting all the gyms in the city, but after three years -- and I could be wrong -- it looks likes he hasn't built any strong relationships with local programs (all the more reason to lament Slice's firing), and instead he's filling the roster with transfers and kids not from the tri-state area. Hope that changes with some '19 recruits.
 
One of the posters called Mullin's inexperience a stain on our program history. I think that description is a bit much.
 
[quote="redken" post=281631][quote="Chicago Days" post=281591][quote="Paultzman" post=281585]Wouldn’t be ironic if the expected ready to play big man does not materialize, but a staff change does.[/quote]

Stunningly ironic—and hopefully a’good’ change, I.e., a solid AC with recruiting creds.[/quote]
When Mullin came on, he talked about hitting all the gyms in the city, but after three years -- and I could be wrong -- it looks likes he hasn't built any strong relationships with local programs (all the more reason to lament Slice's firing), and instead he's filling the roster with transfers and kids not from the tri-state area. Hope that changes with some '19 recruits.[/quote]

Here's hoping he realizes that he needs a staff change and we don't read about him in past tense like this remark about Mark Jackson in today's NY Post:
"Jackson admitted after the firing the breaking point came when he refused to revamp his coaching staff upon ownership’s request."
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=281630]St. John's BBall
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SAVE THE DATE: Lou Carnesecca Chris Mullin & Mike Zaun Golf Classic Set For Thursday, June 14 #SJUBB #WeAreNewYorksTeam[/quote] Everyone in attendance gets a free medium t shirt.
 
[quote="SI1996" post=281651][quote="Paultzman" post=281630]St. John's BBall
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SAVE THE DATE: Lou Carnesecca Chris Mullin & Mike Zaun Golf Classic Set For Thursday, June 14 #SJUBB #WeAreNewYorksTeam[/quote] Everyone in attendance gets a free medium t shirt.[/quote]

Wait... MZ is Joe?
 
[quote="frank61" post=281634]One of the posters called Mullin's inexperience a stain on our program history. I think that description is a bit much.[/quote]

My bad, I meant strain.
 
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[quote="rawdognyc" post=281652][quote="SI1996" post=281651][quote="Paultzman" post=281630]St. John's BBall
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SAVE THE DATE: Lou Carnesecca Chris Mullin & Mike Zaun Golf Classic Set For Thursday, June 14 #SJUBB #WeAreNewYorksTeam[/quote] Everyone in attendance gets a free medium t shirt.[/quote]

Wait... MZ is Joe?[/quote]

1. Yes, where have you been?

2. It's Large shirt now and not exactly for the right reasons...summer bod still under construction haha

Also on a side note off topic (not allowed to discuss Mully), I recently started doing Uber on the side the other day and funny enough, I dropped a kid off in Hempstead who went to HS with Harkless and discussed Ponds. Small world.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=281663][quote="rawdognyc" post=281652][quote="SI1996" post=281651][quote="Paultzman" post=281630]St. John's BBall
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SAVE THE DATE: Lou Carnesecca Chris Mullin & Mike Zaun Golf Classic Set For Thursday, June 14 #SJUBB #WeAreNewYorksTeam[/quote] Everyone in attendance gets a free medium t shirt.[/quote]

Wait... MZ is Joe?[/quote]

1. Yes, where have you been?

2. It's Large shirt now and not exactly for the right reasons...summer bod still under construction haha

Also on a side note off topic (not allowed to discuss Mully), I recently started doing Uber on the side the other day and funny enough, I dropped a kid off in Hempstead who went to HS with Harkless and discussed Ponds. Small world.[/quote]

I just cancelled my Uber account. I also bought you a large tee shirt.

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