Mullin Stepping Down

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[quote="bamafan" post=339045][quote="we are sju" post=339027][quote="RedStormNC" post=339018]Mullin memories

St. Thomas Aquinas exhibition
Sitting on scorer's table
Slice fiasco
Recruiting (Zach Brown anyone ?)
Beating Syracuse two years in a row
Beating Nova & Duke
Marcus Lovett saga
Anything Mitch
St. Jean clipboard & huddles
NCAA selection relief
Love for Shamorie Ponds[/quote]

Played in a Final Four game for ST John's and coached ST John's in a NCAA tourney game.
One accomplishment that will never be done again, another that happens once every 5 years and combined something that was never done or will be done ever again.[/quote]
You call out others for being too negative yet you state we will never make the Final 4 again. As Lou C once said "We're going Mo", just not with Mo the next time.[/quote]

There is negative and then there is realistic. I do think we will eventually make a tourney sometime in next 5 years.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=339006][URL]https://www.nj.com/rutgersbask...lace-chris-mullin-what-about-rick-pitino.html[/URL]

BOBBY HURLEY, Arizona State:

RICK PITINO, Panathinaikos

BILLY DONOVAN, Oklahoma City Thunder: Donovan has the Thunder headed back to the NBA playoffs and his job status appears stable. But could this be
job that lures the Long Island native and former Knicks guard back to college? Donovan, 54 in May, led Providence to the Final Four as a player and won two national titles at Florida.

TIM CLUESS, Iona
KEVIN BOYLE, Montverde Academy: Is this finally the college opening that Boyle lands? The former St. Patrick’s coach, 56, basically coaches a college team at Montverde in Florida and he would give St. John’s an immediate grassroots recruiting boost.

JOHNNY DAWKINS, Central Florida: The former Duke star and NBA player, 56 in September, has revitalized his coaching career at UCF following a rough stint at Stanford. He may be looking to move back up, and Cragg’s Duke ties could factor in.

BRANDON KNIGHT, Rutgers: Steve Pikiell has already lost one assistant to a head coaching job with Jay Young going to Fairfield. Could St. John’s nab another and hire Knight, a Seton Hall Prep product and Big East legend at Pitt, off the Rutgers bench? Knight turns 38 in December.

BAKER DUNLEAVY, Quinnipiac: Dunleavy, 37 in October, was a Villanova assistant under Jay Wright and played at Lawrenceville Prep. His father is former NBA and college coach Mike Dunleavy Sr., a Brooklyn hoops legend.

MARK JACKSON, ESPN

THAD MATTA: The former Ohio State coach took the Buckeyes to the Final Four twice and also won an NIT title, he had a successful run at Xavier and he played at Butler. Health is a major concern with Matta though - he will only be 52 later this year, but a bad back and other issues led to his dismissal from Ohio State.[/quote]
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add ....... my gut says that AD Cragg craves Duke culture and my guess is that if not Bobby Hurley then the new coach will be from the Coach J coaching tree, and be one of the following (in no particular order):

* Tommy Amaker, reportedly makes $700K per year; may wish to triple income and get back to major conference

* Nate James, serves as Associate Head Coach at Duke and has been on Coach K's staff since 2009. James has no head coaching experience but neither did Wojo or Chrios Collins who with many years on K's staff have done pretty well.

* Jon Scheyer, Duke Assistant Coach since 2013. See reasons for Nate James.

* Johnny Dawkins, head coach at UCF, and former head at Stanford U; has career 60% career win loss. ia the Orlando Sentinel, Last year Dawkins signed a six-year contract with UCF that will pay him a relatively low $1.1 million per year plus performance bonuses through the 2021-22 season. He later got a one-year contract extension, set to pay him $1.5 million for the 2022-23 season. If he left now his buyout would be $3 million.
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=339048][quote="bamafan" post=339045][quote="we are sju" post=339027][quote="RedStormNC" post=339018]Mullin memories

St. Thomas Aquinas exhibition
Sitting on scorer's table
Slice fiasco
Recruiting (Zach Brown anyone ?)
Beating Syracuse two years in a row
Beating Nova & Duke
Marcus Lovett saga
Anything Mitch
St. Jean clipboard & huddles
NCAA selection relief
Love for Shamorie Ponds[/quote]

Played in a Final Four game for ST John's and coached ST John's in a NCAA tourney game.
One accomplishment that will never be done again, another that happens once every 5 years and combined something that was never done or will be done ever again.[/quote]
You call out others for being too negative yet you state we will never make the Final 4 again. As Lou C once said "We're going Mo", just not with Mo the next time.[/quote]

There is negative and then there is realistic. I do think we will eventually make a tourney sometime in next 5 years.[/quote]
Well, that's aspirational. Can't wait for 2024 to roll around.
 
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K, if Hurley declines our generous offer. Got to go with the best ‘Plan B’ that can be triggered within a week.
I think Cluess or Dawkins the best of that bunch. Nate Kames interesting. No on Scheyer. Matta’s Health issues make his candidacy moot imo, unfortunately.
Do it.
 
I'm confident in saying we'll be having this conversation re: wanting a new head coach in another 3 or 4 years if we hire Cluess.
 
[quote="ctstorm" post=338938]I have had internet issues the past two days - did I miss anything?

Can't help wondering how different things might have been had the call in the first Seton Hall game gone differently.[/quote]

I'll go.one better. Watching Kyle calmly nail a three deep in the right corner, then net three free throws to put Virginia in the finals, I could only think of Heron's 1-12 and negative hat trick at the line in Dayton vs. ASU and think how a 7-12 and 3 free throws could have saved the season.
Point is well taken though about SH game.
Except by season end out team looked lost.
 
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=339068]I'm confident in saying we'll be having this conversation re: wanting a new head coach in another 3 or 4 years if we hire Cluess.[/quote]

I'm going to guess cluess at best is a very dark horse candidate and isn't being seriously considered.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=339068]I'm confident in saying we'll be having this conversation re: wanting a new head coach in another 3 or 4 years if we hire Cluess.[/quote]

Exactly why i said that if he's hired, then I'm officially done with sju.
I'm not gonna keep doing it over every 4-5 yrs.
You have a chance to get it right this time, so cut the BS.
 
[quote="stuck in conn" post=339067]How about Billy Gillespie as plan b?[/quote]
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Mr. Gillespie is the head men’s basketball coach at Ranger College, a junior college in Ranger Texas. He has held that position since 2015.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=339068]I'm confident in saying we'll be having this conversation re: wanting a new head coach in another 3 or 4 years if we hire Cluess.[/quote]

I can't believe his name is even being floated. You don't make this type of move to bring in a 60 plus year old MAAC coach.
 
Considering the names being tossed around , there likely won't be a home run hire. Guys who have had success in big time programs hop to bigger programs at $4 million per. As UCLA continues to prove, even with deep pockets you don't automatically get it right.

33 years at Duke and Cragg never had to worry about who will be HC. Thinking about it, Coach K, like Calhoun and Boeheim, raised the trajectory of their school, not just their program.

I'd be shocked if SJU spent in the $3 mm per range or more. Three times in a row over 15 years sju hired a weak bench coach. Hopefully who'ever gets hired can at least coach. Bringing in grade A talent is an even tougher proposition.

I don't think we will seriously consider a tarnished candidate like Pitino. A Duke resume makes sense but then again if we actually crush it with a Duke alum would we be hiring Coach K's replacement ?

Unfortunately, turning the page for st. John's is not as good as it may appear., which led us to Mullin and Georgetown to Ewing. We won't make that mistake again, but it seems that every time since Looie retired we chose a different unsuccessful approach.
 
[quote="rawdognyc" post=339074][quote="MJDinkins" post=339068]I'm confident in saying we'll be having this conversation re: wanting a new head coach in another 3 or 4 years if we hire Cluess.[/quote]

I can't believe his name is even being floated. You don't make this type of move to bring in a 60 plus year old MAAC coach.[/quote]

RAW, yeah it's really funny as heck, but knowing SJU, can't you seriously see SJU hiring Cluess.
There's a reason why we have been a 0 over the last 20yrs. Crappy coaching hires.
Well we're at it again. Will the new AD make the right hire, or the hire ups stop Cragg, and go for a saintly guy.
Who will do nothing but avg here.

Cragg said he wants SJU to be Elite and championships. Actions talk louder the words, bring in the right coach, don't be a scape goat for the hire ups.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=339075]Considering the names being tossed around , there likely won't be a home run hire. Guys who have had success in big time programs hop to bigger programs at $4 million per. As UCLA continues to prove, even with deep pockets you don't automatically get it right.

33 years at Duke and Cragg never had to worry about who will be HC. Thinking about it, Coach K, like Calhoun and Boeheim, raised the trajectory of their school, not just their program.

I'd be shocked if SJU spent in the $3 mm per range or more. Three times in a row over 15 years sju hired a weak bench coach. Hopefully who'ever gets hired can at least coach. Bringing in grade A talent is an even tougher proposition.

I don't think we will seriously consider a tarnished candidate like Pitino. A Duke resume makes sense but then again if we actually crush it with a Duke alum would we be hiring Coach K's replacement ?

Unfortunately, turning the page for st. John's is not as good as it may appear., which led us to Mullin and Georgetown to Ewing. We won't make that mistake again, but it seems that every time since Looie retired we chose a different unsuccessful approach.[/quote]

Honestly, it has taken quite a few years for Wojo to look like a decent hire too. The problem is that we haven’t hired a single coach besides Norm that really wanted to grind it out and coach and recruit. Norm’s problem was that he was just a horrible
Coach with no experience. We need to hire a guy who wants to be here locally, who’s from here and has a passion for all aspects of coaching. I think we can find success there if we are patient with that process. Mullin for sure was NOT that guy. He wasn’t going to recruit nor hire appropriate staff to put us into position to be a consistent winner and that was clear. I’m happy he stepped down with some coercion because it’s better for his legacy too.

I still think Hurley is a good fit overall if we can convince him to come here. He’d settle into NJ well and with tons of local connects would be natural fit.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=339069][quote="ctstorm" post=338938]I have had internet issues the past two days - did I miss anything?

Can't help wondering how different things might have been had the call in the first Seton Hall game gone differently.[/quote]

I'll go.one better. Watching Kyle calmly nail a three deep in the right corner, then net three free throws to put Virginia in the finals, I could only think of Heron's 1-12 and negative hat trick at the line in Dayton vs. ASU and think how a 7-12 and 3 free throws could have saved the season.
Point is well taken though about SH game.
Except by season end out team looked lost.[/quote]

At the end of the day 1 more win in conference. Take your pick. Seton Hall on the road. DePaul at home. Any of the games Heron missed. That moves SJU from 7 to 3 seed. Changes the entire complexion of BE Tournament. Avoid the play in game. And we are all likely very much singing a slightly different tune.
 
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