Mullin Stepping Down

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[quote="Paultzman" post=338395][quote="we are sju" post=338388][quote="Paultzman" post=338385][quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]
Agree with you, market sparse, program not exactly a dream location now and Hurley’s work ethic, recruiting acumen and reasonable coaching success may best line up where SJ is. Re backups, I guess I will go with Cragg’s poker ability and assume he never puts all eggs in one basket.[/quote]

All due respect how do you quantify Hurley's "work ethic" as a coach? Last 3 coaches we had people on here complained about the "work ethic". Maybe they were right. Certainly seemed that way with Chris Mullin which considering that his work ethic as a player was legendary, so again there really aren't stats that you can use to base it on.[/quote]
Not comparing his work ethic v Chris, but do know Bobby H is non stop on recruiting end of things from days at Wagner, Buffalo & ASU. I may oversimplify, but imo getting kids is a huge % of coaching success. Hurley’s have a ton of relationships w HS and AAU community.[/quote]

If he recruits Wagner or Buffalo type players going to be some angry ST John's posters lol
Again I get Mullin thing didn't work out but just don't see the Hurley slam dunk thing either.
I do predict Danny gets fired before Bobby though
 
[quote="we are sju" post=338400]n's posters lol
I get Mullin thing didn't work out but just don't see the Hurley slam dunk thing either.
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No hire is a certainity.
 
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Perspective people. Jay Wright isn't walking through the door. Oh btw the same Jay Wright who went to 1 NCAA appearance in his first 5 years of coaching at Hofstra compared to Bobby who has been to 3 tournaments. Their winning percentages are near identical in those 5 years (Bobby slightly higher).

I'm not saying Bobby will be Jay Wright at all. I'm just saying the he hasn't proven anything and he's lateral talk is bullshit. We went from a coach with zero experience to a guy who has danced in half the years he's coached. That's pretty good for someone entering his 'second contract' phase since most coaches are 5-6 year deals.

Oh and everyone pointed to Mullin improving ever year. Bobby has done the same if you want to be as technical as supporters were with Mullin.

2015–16 Arizona State 15–17 5–13 11th
2016–17 Arizona State 15–18 7–11 8th
2017–18 Arizona State 20–12 8–10 T–8th NCAA Division I First Four
2018–19 Arizona State 23–11 12–6 2nd NCAA Division I Round of 64
 
[quote="otis" post=338401][quote="we are sju" post=338400]n's posters lol
I get Mullin thing didn't work out but just don't see the Hurley slam dunk thing either.
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No hire is a certainity.[/quote]

We are all supposed ST John's fans so clearly that is the case. Problem is everyone seems to think the next hire is the answer and then get disappointed pretty quickly.
 
difference between hurley and mullin a lot of you are missing. His ASU roster looks like it will build upon their round of 64 defeat, as their roster is only improving with incoming players.

While we slipped into the first four and then immediately are looking at 9th or 10th place in the Big East next season. Continuity is very important to me. Tired of going to the tournament once every 4 years. Will Hurley bring us that? I'm done hyping up new coaches here haha, but if anyone has a case for why Mullin is better than Hurley please tell me
 
[quote="Moose" post=338402]Perspective people. Jay Wright isn't walking through the door. Oh btw the same Jay Wright who went to 1 NCAA appearance in his first 5 years of coaching at Hofstra compared to Bobby who has been to 3 tournaments. Their winning percentages are near identical in those 5 years (Bobby slightly higher).

I'm not saying Bobby will be Jay Wright at all. I'm just saying the he hasn't proven anything and he's lateral talk is bullshit. We went from a coach with zero experience to a guy who has danced in half the years he's coached. That's pretty good for someone entering his 'second contract' phase since most coaches are 5-6 year deals.

Oh and everyone pointed to Mullin improving ever year. Bobby has done the same if you want to be as technical as supporters were with Mullin.

2015–16 Arizona State 15–17 5–13 11th
2016–17 Arizona State 15–18 7–11 8th
2017–18 Arizona State 20–12 8–10 T–8th NCAA Division I First Four
2018–19 Arizona State 23–11 12–6 2nd NCAA Division I Round of 64[/quote]

I know you went to ST John's but even using core math 15-18 is worse than 15-17 ;) :)
 
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[quote="we are sju" post=338405][quote="Moose" post=338402]Perspective people. Jay Wright isn't walking through the door. Oh btw the same Jay Wright who went to 1 NCAA appearance in his first 5 years of coaching at Hofstra compared to Bobby who has been to 3 tournaments. Their winning percentages are near identical in those 5 years (Bobby slightly higher).

I'm not saying Bobby will be Jay Wright at all. I'm just saying the he hasn't proven anything and he's lateral talk is bullshit. We went from a coach with zero experience to a guy who has danced in half the years he's coached. That's pretty good for someone entering his 'second contract' phase since most coaches are 5-6 year deals.

Oh and everyone pointed to Mullin improving ever year. Bobby has done the same if you want to be as technical as supporters were with Mullin.

2015–16 Arizona State 15–17 5–13 11th
2016–17 Arizona State 15–18 7–11 8th
2017–18 Arizona State 20–12 8–10 T–8th NCAA Division I First Four
2018–19 Arizona State 23–11 12–6 2nd NCAA Division I Round of 64[/quote]

I know you went to ST John's but even using core math 15-18 is worse than 15-17 ;) :)[/quote]

I know you are an SJU fan who loves living in the mid 80's but last I checked 11th in conference to 8th is improvement. That's my spin.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=338386][quote="Paultzman" post=338367]Interesting perspective
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/j...-make-helped-set-the-stage-for-his-departure/[/URL][/quote]

Not sure JP got all of his facts straight on the Mike Rice scenario...[/quote]

So clearly Mullin is using JP to get his version of the story out. I said on Saturday that Cragg's statement was posturing. Mullin leaking stories is his posturing until the process is completed.

What facts can you correct from the story ?
 
[quote="we are sju" post=338400][quote="Paultzman" post=338395][quote="we are sju" post=338388][quote="Paultzman" post=338385][quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]
Agree with you, market sparse, program not exactly a dream location now and Hurley’s work ethic, recruiting acumen and reasonable coaching success may best line up where SJ is. Re backups, I guess I will go with Cragg’s poker ability and assume he never puts all eggs in one basket.[/quote]

All due respect how do you quantify Hurley's "work ethic" as a coach? Last 3 coaches we had people on here complained about the "work ethic". Maybe they were right. Certainly seemed that way with Chris Mullin which considering that his work ethic as a player was legendary, so again there really aren't stats that you can use to base it on.[/quote]
Not comparing his work ethic v Chris, but do know Bobby H is non stop on recruiting end of things from days at Wagner, Buffalo & ASU. I may oversimplify, but imo getting kids is a huge % of coaching success. Hurley’s have a ton of relationships w HS and AAU community.[/quote]

If he recruits Wagner or Buffalo type players going to be some angry ST John's posters lol
Again I get Mullin thing didn't work out but just don't see the Hurley slam dunk thing either.
I do predict Danny gets fired before Bobby though[/quote]

At those two schools he recruited kids above the norm for that level and at ASU did attract quality kids like Dort so be fair. I frankly had more concerns about Bobby’s sideline stress and edge, but willing to live with that within reason. No one is saying BH is a savior, but to me is a better option at this time. Purely subjective, but I never got impression that CM enjoyed college coaching. There are guys out there who do. I am not assuming BH is a lock or destined for greatness, but just feel there is more of an upside with guys of that profile and ilk, but respect other opinions on that.
 
[quote="Moose" post=338406][quote="we are sju" post=338405][quote="Moose" post=338402]Perspective people. Jay Wright isn't walking through the door. Oh btw the same Jay Wright who went to 1 NCAA appearance in his first 5 years of coaching at Hofstra compared to Bobby who has been to 3 tournaments. Their winning percentages are near identical in those 5 years (Bobby slightly higher).

I'm not saying Bobby will be Jay Wright at all. I'm just saying the he hasn't proven anything and he's lateral talk is bullshit. We went from a coach with zero experience to a guy who has danced in half the years he's coached. That's pretty good for someone entering his 'second contract' phase since most coaches are 5-6 year deals.

Oh and everyone pointed to Mullin improving ever year. Bobby has done the same if you want to be as technical as supporters were with Mullin.

2015–16 Arizona State 15–17 5–13 11th
2016–17 Arizona State 15–18 7–11 8th
2017–18 Arizona State 20–12 8–10 T–8th NCAA Division I First Four
2018–19 Arizona State 23–11 12–6 2nd NCAA Division I Round of 64[/quote]

I know you went to ST John's but even using core math 15-18 is worse than 15-17 ;) :)[/quote]

I know you are an SJU fan who loves living in the mid 80's but last I checked 11th in conference to 8th is improvement. That's my spin.[/quote]

Was just playing with you big guy. But yes mid 80's was clearly the best time to be a kid. ST John's and the Mets were really good, Christie Brinkley, the two Heather's- Locklear and Thomas, Kathy Ireland, Elle McPherson no fortnite, classic 80's movies and the music. Clearly the best music decade of all time!
 
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My guess is Hurley happens by tomorrow or doesn't happen. That gives the school a couple of days to gauge PR blowback, if any, on hiring Pitino. So my totally unconnected scenarios are Hurley on WEds or Pitino on Friday. I don't have a third option yet but will say I want someone with head coaching experience not a Duke assistant.
 
Pitino is the only sure thing of the names being mentioned, and it doesn’t look like he’s coming here. I trust that Mike Cragg will do his due diligence-and that may include speaking with people like coach K-before making the next hire, knowing full well the ramifications of yet another bad hire. I have the utmost faith in Cragg and expect that he’ll hire someone who will hit the ground running right out of the gate and have our program headed in the right direction in short order.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=338413]Pitino is the only sure thing of the names being mentioned, and it doesn’t look like he’s coming here. I trust that Mike Cragg will do his due diligence-and that may include speaking with people like coach K-before making the next hire, knowing full well the ramifications of yet another bad hire. I have the utmost faith in Cragg and expect that he’ll hire someone who will hit the ground running right out of the gate and have our program headed in the right direction in short order.[/quote]

If Pitino were a real option there would be no need for any other names let alone Bobby Hurley.
 
People who think Danny is flaming out at UCONN is nuts. Danny is a builder and the class he has coming in is really good. He has a 1st class staff and he built Wagner and URI from the ground up. He is no novice. For crying out loud SJU offered Jalen Gaffney first and UCONN came in and grabbed in.

I don't think we should be sh****** on Chris today as he should get the respect he deserves. But there is no doubt in my mind the program would be a on a totally different trajectory if Chris said no and they made a call to URI 4 years ago and Danny took this job. I am not suggesting they would be in the Final Four now but I can tell you the roster mismanagement and over reliance on one recruiter and transfer strategy would not be happening if Danny took this job 4 years ago.
 
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[quote="ZanMan" post=338416]Suppose we strikeout on both Hurley and Pitino. Who is option #3?[/quote]

Norm
 
[quote="ZanMan" post=338416]Suppose we strikeout on both Hurley and Pitino. Who is option #3?[/quote]

The name Jon Scheyer has been floated around and I am praying that is not true. We NEED a coach with head coaching experience
 
As for getting outbid for Hurley, he will be making 2.2 million next season with a raise that will bring him to 2.4 million in 2021. He also gets a 1 million retention bonus in 2021 so you are looking at having to offer him close to 3 million already. Don’t think ASU will go much higher then that and I don’t know if it’s an Apples to Apples situation. ASU can always hire Pitino as well. I like Hurley and would be very happy if he took the job.
 
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