Mullin Stepping Down

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[quote="Moose" post=338373][quote="we are sju" post=338369][quote="Moose" post=338362][quote="we are sju" post=338361][quote="Moose" post=338359][quote="we are sju" post=338356][quote="Moose" post=338336][quote="we are sju" post=338303][quote="gman" post=338302]Well this is certainly interesting to wake up to.

I’ll be happy with a hardworking Hurley. Let’s hope he comes and opens that Canadian pipeline.[/quote]

And won't come from me but the faces and the technicals will annoy people on here really quickly if not successful right away. Take that prediction top the bank.[/quote]

I don't care about a coach taking a well timed technical foul. A tech like Hurley took up 17 points to you looked inopportune. To me it's perfectly fine since we're coming from a coach who would take a tech down 7, 8 or 9 points that puts a game further out of reach.

Should be noted ASU had 6 total technical fouls. 3 by one player. I think we came close to 6 in one game this year at CA. So the players aren't exactly emulating the coach.[/quote]

Looked to me like he looked at Duke a whiny little shit. There was no plan on that tech. He didn't like the call so he complained. I hope he gets the job. Win / win for me. If I am wrong and he can succeed here great I am a ST John's fan. If he falls on his face like I expect to happen the board should be highly entertaining....[/quote]

He was that type of player at Duke. The type of player who you hate to play against. But love on your team. Many examples of players like that in every single sport. My point was he didn't rest on the laurels of 17 point lead. He coached as if the game was closer. I know of a coach who would often not step on opponents necks when up big and allow teams to creep back in. But I digress. Your favorite player is guy. I'm sure that's tough for you. He's gone now. You are Cragg. Who are you hiring?

And in terms of the entertainment value sure it will happen eventually. We are St. John's. We're likely not going to roll off a streak of 4 tournaments in 5 years. So saying you will root for success but enjoy the site if not is a pretty safe bet by you.[/quote]

To quote Darth Vader in Field of Dreams..."People will complain Ray, they definitely will complain"[/quote]

So who you picking Darth Vader?[/quote]

Pitino gets us to Final Four. Would do that pretty much anywhere. Never happens and I understand that. That would be (pipe) dream choice. If Cluess were 5 years younger would be my choice. I get the Hurley thing because he is a local "name." Lavin, Mullin, Hurley.... sense a pattern. Would prefer more steak over sizzle with next hire. Hire a good X and O guy that recruits to fit his system. Mid major type which is what we should strive to be. Really what BE is now outside of Nova.[/quote]

:lol:

Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]

If Pitino was a real option, sign me up for that.
 
[quote="mkras99" post=338375]Bruce Pearl.[/quote]

So far I am 50 pct on the money! And you doubted me. Cant get Pearl now, final 4 baby!! He would cost 4-5 million per, plus his buy out. That ship sailed and we hired Mullin! Will the ship sail this time and we miss out on Pitino? 4 years from now we will be back here doing it all over again I fear! Hope I am wrong!! Getting tired of rebuilding as I am sure you are too.
 
[quote="tom bradley" post=338381][quote="mkras99" post=338375]Bruce Pearl.[/quote]

So far I am 50 pct on the money! And you doubted me. Cant get Pearl now, final 4 baby!! He would cost 4-5 million per, plus his buy out. That ship sailed and we hired Mullin! Will the ship sail this time and we miss out on Pitino? 4 years from now we will be back here doing it all over again I fear! Hope I am wrong!! Getting tired of rebuilding as I am sure you are too.[/quote]

50% on the money?
 
[quote="tom bradley" post=338381][quote="mkras99" post=338375]Bruce Pearl.[/quote]

So far I am 50 pct on the money! And you doubted me. Cant get Pearl now, final 4 baby!! He would cost 4-5 million per, plus his buy out. That ship sailed and we hired Mullin! Will the ship sail this time and we miss out on Pitino? 4 years from now we will be back here doing it all over again I fear! Hope I am wrong!! Getting tired of rebuilding as I am sure you are too.[/quote]

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[quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]
Agree with you, market sparse, program not exactly a dream location now and Hurley’s work ethic, recruiting acumen and reasonable coaching success may best line up where SJ is. Re backups, I guess I will go with Cragg’s poker ability and assume he never puts all eggs in one basket.
 
Have to be worried about that. And, not sure he would view SJU as an upgrade unless the $$ blew him away.

[quote="Mike Zaun" post=338382]Anyone else worried that ASU donors or just the school itself with more money will outbid us for Hurley?[/quote]
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=338385][quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]
Agree with you, market sparse, program not exactly a dream location now and Hurley’s work ethic, recruiting acumen and reasonable coaching success may best line up where SJ is. Re backups, I guess I will go with Cragg’s poker ability and assume he never puts all eggs in one basket.[/quote]

All due respect how do you quantify Hurley's "work ethic" as a coach? Last 3 coaches we had people on here complained about the "work ethic". Maybe they were right. Certainly seemed that way with Chris Mullin which considering that his work ethic as a player was legendary, so again there really aren't stats that you can use to base it on.
 
[quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]

Agree with Moose here. We won’t hire Pitino. It just won’t happen. I think Hurley makes the most sense and will do a good job. I’m not understanding what about him being quoted about learning from his brother has anything to do with anything. It’s his brother who also coaches a D1 program, a brother and a peer. Should he be embarrassed for that? I don’t get it. Hurley is young, a local guy and like I said, growing into it, but he has a high ceiling.

Hurley has only been a coach a few years and has a solid record With 4 seasons of 19+ wins and always in a position to compete. I only think he will get better, and I don’t think SJU fans will regret hiring a guy with a worth ethic and pedigree like his. I think it’s a good fit and can only help that he has an AD that he can work well with. The best programs have coaches that work well with their AD and have a clear path laid for them. What SJU was doing before hiring Cragg was preposterous and I think we are headed right direction.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=338389][quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]

Agree with Moose here. We won’t hire Pitino. It just won’t happen. I think Hurley makes the most sense and will do a good job. I’m not understanding what about him being quoted about learning from his brother has anything to do with anything. It’s his brother who also coaches a D1 program, a brother and a peer. Should he be embarrassed for that? I don’t get it. Hurley is young, a local guy and like I said, growing into it, but he has a high ceiling.

Hurley has only been a coach a few years and has a solid record With 4 seasons of 19+ wins and always in a position to compete. I only think he will get better, and I don’t think SJU fans will regret hiring a guy with a worth ethic and pedigree like his. I think it’s a good fit and can only help that he has an AD that he can work well with. The best programs have coaches that work well with their AD and have a clear path laid for them. What SJU was doing before hiring Cragg was preposterous and I think we are headed right direction.[/quote]

The funny part with the learning from his brother comment is 1. Danny was a name many wanted on here. This year he strugged at Uconn and the luster wore off. So now learning from Danny is 'bad' to some.

2. If he said learning from his Dad in that interview he would be applauded.
 
[quote="RyGuyRedStorm" post=338357]Real question. Can somebody explain why we should be thrilled about Bobby Hurley? He has not done anything except get to the round of 64. The ASU team we played looked terrible, we were just worse, and he has a below .500 conference record there.

What’s exciting about him?[/quote]
Reality check...Hurley's no upgrade.
Pipe dream Pitino? One of the best X and O guys ever... His act of contrition would be to work at the mid-major price we'd be offering. On the down side, he'd be cleaner than Norm Roberts thanks to the stench he left at Louisville.
Cluess? Wins everywhere...but wins what? I'd love to see him as an assistant for his X and O value...but why would he do that?
Brey? Hee Haw...ain't happening.
Duke wannabes. How about experienced people...not a bunch of people waiting for Coach K to keel over.
It's a sad day, boys and girls.
 
[quote="we are sju" post=338388][quote="Paultzman" post=338385][quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]
Agree with you, market sparse, program not exactly a dream location now and Hurley’s work ethic, recruiting acumen and reasonable coaching success may best line up where SJ is. Re backups, I guess I will go with Cragg’s poker ability and assume he never puts all eggs in one basket.[/quote]

All due respect how do you quantify Hurley's "work ethic" as a coach? Last 3 coaches we had people on here complained about the "work ethic". Maybe they were right. Certainly seemed that way with Chris Mullin which considering that his work ethic as a player was legendary, so again there really aren't stats that you can use to base it on.[/quote]

You don’t need measurables for everything. All the Hurley’s have reputations for being dilligent and hard workers as far as I’m asare but feel free to dispute.
 
Hurley seems to check all the boxes, if we can get him, that most of us on here say we want: energy; all-in; recruiting; local and AAU ties; young; prior D1 experience etc. As someone else said, his best days seem ahead of him for sure.

Seem far and away the best option if he is available.

[quote="MCNPA" post=338389][quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]

Agree with Moose here. We won’t hire Pitino. It just won’t happen. I think Hurley makes the most sense and will do a good job. I’m not understanding what about him being quoted about learning from his brother has anything to do with anything. It’s his brother who also coaches a D1 program, a brother and a peer. Should he be embarrassed for that? I don’t get it. Hurley is young, a local guy and like I said, growing into it, but he has a high ceiling.

Hurley has only been a coach a few years and has a solid record With 4 seasons of 19+ wins and always in a position to compete. I only think he will get better, and I don’t think SJU fans will regret hiring a guy with a worth ethic and pedigree like his. I think it’s a good fit and can only help that he has an AD that he can work well with. The best programs have coaches that work well with their AD and have a clear path laid for them. What SJU was doing before hiring Cragg was preposterous and I think we are headed right direction.[/quote]
 
[quote="we are sju" post=338388][quote="Paultzman" post=338385][quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]
Agree with you, market sparse, program not exactly a dream location now and Hurley’s work ethic, recruiting acumen and reasonable coaching success may best line up where SJ is. Re backups, I guess I will go with Cragg’s poker ability and assume he never puts all eggs in one basket.[/quote]

All due respect how do you quantify Hurley's "work ethic" as a coach? Last 3 coaches we had people on here complained about the "work ethic". Maybe they were right. Certainly seemed that way with Chris Mullin which considering that his work ethic as a player was legendary, so again there really aren't stats that you can use to base it on.[/quote]
Not comparing his work ethic v Chris, but do know Bobby H is non stop on recruiting end of things from days at Wagner, Buffalo & ASU. I may oversimplify, but imo getting kids is a huge % of coaching success. Hurley’s have a ton of relationships w HS and AAU community.
 
[quote="P Simmons" post=338371][quote="Paultzman" post=338367]Interesting perspective
[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/j...-make-helped-set-the-stage-for-his-departure/[/URL][/quote]

Just saw this as well. According to the article, Mullin tried to hire Mike Rice last year and Gempesaw balked because he was fearful of a public relations hit. Under that reasoning, one would think there is zero chance he’ll allow a Pitino hire.[/quote]

I agree. However, that is something I do hope Cragg brings to the table spending so many years at Duke. How to cheat without getting caught
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=338393][quote="we are sju" post=338388][quote="Paultzman" post=338385][quote="Moose" post=338378][quote="SJ_NYC" post=338376][quote="Moose" post=338373]
Thanks for the landscape but no definitive choice.[/quote]
Moose, who do you want? You have been active with the coaching discussion these past weeks.[/quote]

From the names we've heard (Hurley, Cluess, Pitino) I want Hurley. I said I was all for making a change and would fully be behind any candidate. They all have their warts. We're not in a position to be having our pick of the litter with the coach that shines the brightest. I would fully support Cluess but similar I think fans would grow tired of some points quickly and Pitino sure great idea but not with NCAA violations. I could care less who he sleeps with in what restaurant.[/quote]
Agree with you, market sparse, program not exactly a dream location now and Hurley’s work ethic, recruiting acumen and reasonable coaching success may best line up where SJ is. Re backups, I guess I will go with Cragg’s poker ability and assume he never puts all eggs in one basket.[/quote]

All due respect how do you quantify Hurley's "work ethic" as a coach? Last 3 coaches we had people on here complained about the "work ethic". Maybe they were right. Certainly seemed that way with Chris Mullin which considering that his work ethic as a player was legendary, so again there really aren't stats that you can use to base it on.[/quote]

You don’t need measurables for everything. All the Hurley’s have reputations for being dilligent and hard workers as far as I’m asare but feel free to dispute.[/quote]

Chris Mullin became top 50 NBA player based on hard work.
Point being give me a solid X and O guy. Haven't had that at ST John's....ever?
 
No offense but this is rubbish. I love Chris, but he as not "all in". Hurley is as much a "coaching rat" as Chris was a gym rat. That's what is needed here.



[quote="newsman13" post=338392][quote="RyGuyRedStorm" post=338357]Real question. Can somebody explain why we should be thrilled about Bobby Hurley? He has not done anything except get to the round of 64. The ASU team we played looked terrible, we were just worse, and he has a below .500 conference record there.

What’s exciting about him?[/quote]
Reality check...Hurley's no upgrade.
Pipe dream Pitino? One of the best X and O guys ever... His act of contrition would be to work at the mid-major price we'd be offering. On the down side, he'd be cleaner than Norm Roberts thanks to the stench he left at Louisville.
Cluess? Wins everywhere...but wins what? I'd love to see him as an assistant for his X and O value...but why would he do that?
Brey? Hee Haw...ain't happening.
Duke wannabes. How about experienced people...not a bunch of people waiting for Coach K to keel over.
It's a sad day, boys and girls.[/quote]
 
I am pretty confident they could have Pitino if they want him and probably get away with paying him 2 million. He is from Long Island he still has a ton of family here and supposedly still has residence in the city.. I would be all for it but would be surprised if administration goes for it.

I am just hoping we have a coach who works hard. It was tough to be invested in the program when the coach was not out there getting after it in recruiting.
 
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