More Jordan Problems?

[we are sju]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

I don't disagree but would you have sung his praises if he threw him off the team? Both of us still question whether it was necessary to suspend Harrison. Look coach K kept a serial molester on the team for a year. Only threw him off when once he had better guards. If he would have recruited better than maybe he could have "taken a stand".

Lavin took a shot on a shady kid. To get talented players you have to do this. I am not going to kill him for THIS, just like I won't kill Mullin if Lovett doesn't work out.

 

[we are sju]

Not sure how Lavin is getting shit for this? If he would have told Jordan to piss off last year, the seniors would have never gotten to a tourney and everyone on here would have been killing Lavin. From what I am told Lavin had to kiss his ass for two years. Jordan had no business being in college anyway. If you want to kill Lavin for not having enough good players to be able to tell him to piss off that is fine. But not Lavin's fault Jordan failed out of school. It is the system that allows or demands these kids go to college and Jordan for not doing the limited amount of work he needed to do.

I'm not blaming Lavin for this. Where I blame Lavin is where He left us for next year. I'm not convinced Sampson would have signed his LOI. Certainly the allure of PT didn't do it for him. He will be coming off the bench at LSU, but he will be playing w an excellent supporting cast. The only BE ready player Lavin left us w is CO., He's coming off the suspension and will be on a short leash.

And CO was no sure bet to come back. Lavin left a roster possibly worse than Jarvis left Norm.

 

[usguard]

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Maybe, or maybe he was anticipating starting along side Jordan.

I always tell my kids to keep all their options open, and do your best at everything, so that as many decisions as possible are in your own hands.

It seems to me that Jordan made his mind up he was leaving eay before the season ended and made zero attempts at academics. Then Mullin comes in, speaks to Jordan, and Jordan wants to come back. Only one problem: he hasn't paid attention to school all semester. Mullin commented just a few weeks ago that Jordan was focusing on finals, but I'm guessing he was hopelessly behind. Big mistake. He messed up big time by giving up on school and in doing so destroyed his chances of playing next fall.

Don't wait around for second semester either. Suspect strongly we have seen the last of Jordan.

Feel the same way, but still hoping that this serves as a huge wake up call for Sheed, and that he spends the summer and fall committed to his studies in an effort to get his academics in order, and to have the opportunity suit up the second semester.

Not so sure that this situation means he can not play at the next level. He did finish 1 yr of college ,kids have gone from HS to the nba. When many were down on Sampson I said he has next level skills This kid has next level skills It all depends on his motivation and guidance I will not count him out yet making the nba. Although he has his work cut out Wish him the best

Also don't think this destroys his chances of playing in the league, but it sure will make the road there that much rougher IMO.

I think it destroys em. NBA teams won't go near a head case like this. The kid has been acting erratic and immature since he got here. He's taken several leaves, now stops going to school. I don't think NBA teams will tough him right now.

There are certain organizations that would refrain from taking him, but by and large nobody really cares. Gilbert Arenas was always a head case and he had a long NBA career. For God's sake, Arenas & Crittenton had a gun standoff in the locker room.

Your on target. You can pretty much be given a job in pro sports or hollywood where in the real world you would pay for your negative deeds. Though I do believe going a step further if you committed a crime outside of murder and some others and you did the time required by law perhaps it should not appear on your record and you have done things that make you a good citizen congress should pass a law so you can get employment and not be a burden to the tax payers

 

[ras]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

I don't disagree but would you have sung his praises if he threw him off the team? Both of us still question whether it was necessary to suspend Harrison. Look coach K kept a serial molester on the team for a year. Only threw him off when once he had better guards. If he would have recruited better than maybe he could have "taken a stand".

Lavin took a shot on a shady kid. To get talented players you have to do this. I am not going to kill him for THIS, just like I won't kill Mullin if Lovett doesn't work out.

It's ok to take shots at shady kids. But if you look at all the ineligibilities w Lavin, he took too many chances w shady kids and didn't have enough backup options.

 

[monte]

I would not use the word "shady" to describe most of the kids with questionable academics and/or immaturity issues.

 

[ras]

I would not use the word "shady" to describe most of the kids with questionable academics and/or immaturity issues.

Perhaps the wrong word. Nevertheless need contingency plans to compensate . Ironically, one area where Lavin was good, is we didn't loose much to transfers.

 

[we are sju]

I would not use the word "shady" to describe most of the kids with questionable academics and/or immaturity issues.

From everything I have heard they bent over backwards for 2 years. There have certainly been worse kids but at the very least he was a shady student athlete. Meant "shady" as it applies to someone that was going to do what they were supposed to.

 

[beast of the east]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and if Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

 

[we are sju]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and is Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

Plus one

 

[we are sju]

Does anyone really doubt that even if he would have gone to a Philly school he wouldn't still be facing this problem by this point?

 

[Knockout-Ned]

This problem is over. Time to move on to better times. Can't wait to have a team to look forward to watching and not having to worry about a player showing up. Fingers crossed CO!

 

[Moose]

Don't we have an Academic person who travels with the team and is supposed
to be on top of the players. They get feedback from professor's. They get mid term
grades as well plus you go to the class and see if they are there.

You know that answer

 

[Moose]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and if Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

Are you saying prior to the suspension the chances were slim and none or after.

 

[fun]

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and if Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

I've been saying exactly that for 4 years; that Lavin suspended Harrison to make himself look cherubic while at the same time building in an excuse for failing. It would have been a remarkably cynical ploy if Lavin was self aware enough to know that he was doing it on purpose.

 

[Marillac]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and if Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

This is a little cynical, no? Do I think Lavin would have suspended Harrison if we had wrapped up a tournament berth? No, but I think he knew that he had to do it to get the best out of him and the team the next few seasons.

As for Jordan, it's seems pretty simple. He needed his hand held and we switched staffs at the most critical time of the semester. He was already strained academically after the Big East and NCAA tournaments and then he loses all of his coaches, went a week with nobody, and then only had two guys on staff that couldn't possibly hold his hand like he had done for two years.

If Lavin did one thing well it was overseeing the academics of his players. Nobody was academically ineligible and everyone that stayed four years graduated--some early.

 

[redfazed]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and if Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

This is a little cynical, no? Do I think Lavin would have suspended Harrison if we had wrapped up a tournament berth? No, but I think he knew that he had to do it to get the best out of him and the team the next few seasons.

As for Jordan, it's seems pretty simple. He needed his hand held and we switched staffs at the most critical time of the semester. He was already strained academically after the Big East and NCAA tournaments and then he loses all of his coaches, went a week with nobody, and then only had two guys on staff that couldn't possibly hold his hand like he had done for two years.

If Lavin did one thing well it was overseeing the academics of his players. Nobody was academically ineligible and everyone that stayed four years graduated--some early.

Jordan did not have to go a day without anyone holding his hand. The players all have tutors, and there's a whole staff of people dedicated to catering to the needs of the student athletes. The Jordan train left the station long before Lavin was fired.

 

[austour]

No one's fault but Jordan's. He was public with the fact that he was leaving at the end of the year. If the staff couldn't convince him he was delusional what are they to do. He likely did little work the first half of the semester, enough to remain eligible though. He left right after the tourney loss March 20, then 3-4 weeks later realized he had no chance at getting drafted so he came back. Too little too late. Academic advisers don't have the budget to be traveling to Philly to tutor.

 

[bobo]

Maybe he can attend summer school at North Carolina and take 16 credits there. :woohoo:

 

[Marillac]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and if Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

This is a little cynical, no? Do I think Lavin would have suspended Harrison if we had wrapped up a tournament berth? No, but I think he knew that he had to do it to get the best out of him and the team the next few seasons.

As for Jordan, it's seems pretty simple. He needed his hand held and we switched staffs at the most critical time of the semester. He was already strained academically after the Big East and NCAA tournaments and then he loses all of his coaches, went a week with nobody, and then only had two guys on staff that couldn't possibly hold his hand like he had done for two years.

If Lavin did one thing well it was overseeing the academics of his players. Nobody was academically ineligible and everyone that stayed four years graduated--some early.

Jordan did not have to go a day without anyone holding his hand. The players all have tutors, and there's a whole staff of people dedicated to catering to the needs of the student athletes. The Jordan train left the station long before Lavin was fired.

You must have SJU confused with Kentucky. This is comical. No, at St. John's it's the DOBO and the staff that have to chase these kids around. We don't have the support staff other high majors have. I've seen coaches literally show up to class to check on students. I've been a student athlete at SJU as well...trust e on this.

 

[Marillac]

Lavin was here for five years without a single academic issue that occurred at St. John's. We're so big on assessing fault here. When a kid f*cks up in school, the fault stops with him. The reality is that neither Lavin nor Mullin are at fault here. His hand wasn't held enough the six weeks and he dropped the ball. I believe if Mullin had a full staff in place, it wouldn't have happened. I believe if Lavin and his staff had remained, it wouldn't have happened. But, most of all, I believe if Jordan had 1/10th of the maturity he should have as a 21 year old, it wouldn't have happened.