More Jordan Problems?

[beast of the east]

:sob:

Presumably Jordan could still practice with the team while getting his academics in order. He would not have to miss a game of conference play. We are screwed if Lovett is the primary backup, he's a freshman. But really hope Jordan gets it together for his sake.

I will say this. Unlike many coaches who would flush a guy like Sheed, I believe that Mullin will go out of his way if Sheed just does his part. Mullin himself was a hair away from destroying his own professional chances and by the grace of God (and a great family and his own perseverance) has his own success story. Wake up Sheed. There are thousands of stories of failure, but thousands of success stories too. Where Jordan ends up is largely up to Jordan. Wish him luck.

 

[Marillac]

Presumably Jordan could still practice with the team while getting his academics in order. He would not have to miss a game of conference play. We are screwed if Lovett is the primary backup, he's a freshman. But really hope Jordan gets it together for his sake.

No info, but I think Sheed will be back and eligible for 2nd semester. If not, it could hurt us. It's weird replacing a potential player like Sheed, because there is no replacing what he could be if things click, but there were plenty of times I thought we were worse off with him on the floor in key moments. His decision-making was very suspect.

I wouldn't sleep on Lovett. He seems like he can contribute right away and for the level of play most optimists like myself saw us at (just on the right side of the bubble), it is very forgiving. Also, if Jordan is gone for good, I'd think we would land Carter rather quickly.

I still think the most likely scenario is Jordan coming back from this better than he left. He and Obekpa have nine lives.

 

[usguard]

Sounds like LoVett may have known about Jordan's status before he committed
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Maybe, or maybe he was anticipating starting along side Jordan.

I always tell my kids to keep all their options open, and do your best at everything, so that as many decisions as possible are in your own hands.

It seems to me that Jordan made his mind up he was leaving eay before the season ended and made zero attempts at academics. Then Mullin comes in, speaks to Jordan, and Jordan wants to come back. Only one problem: he hasn't paid attention to school all semester. Mullin commented just a few weeks ago that Jordan was focusing on finals, but I'm guessing he was hopelessly behind. Big mistake. He messed up big time by giving up on school and in doing so destroyed his chances of playing next fall.

Don't wait around for second semester either. Suspect strongly we have seen the last of Jordan.

Feel the same way, but still hoping that this serves as a huge wake up call for Sheed, and that he spends the summer and fall committed to his studies in an effort to get his academics in order, and to have the opportunity suit up the second semester.

Not so sure that this situation means he can not play at the next level. He did finish 1 yr of college ,kids have gone from HS to the nba. When many were down on Sampson I said he has next level skills This kid has next level skills It all depends on his motivation and guidance I will not count him out yet making the nba. Although he has his work cut out Wish him the best

 

[monte]

Sounds like LoVett may have known about Jordan's status before he committed
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Maybe, or maybe he was anticipating starting along side Jordan.

I always tell my kids to keep all their options open, and do your best at everything, so that as many decisions as possible are in your own hands.

It seems to me that Jordan made his mind up he was leaving eay before the season ended and made zero attempts at academics. Then Mullin comes in, speaks to Jordan, and Jordan wants to come back. Only one problem: he hasn't paid attention to school all semester. Mullin commented just a few weeks ago that Jordan was focusing on finals, but I'm guessing he was hopelessly behind. Big mistake. He messed up big time by giving up on school and in doing so destroyed his chances of playing next fall.

Don't wait around for second semester either. Suspect strongly we have seen the last of Jordan.

Feel the same way, but still hoping that this serves as a huge wake up call for Sheed, and that he spends the summer and fall committed to his studies in an effort to get his academics in order, and to have the opportunity suit up the second semester.

Not so sure that this situation means he can not play at the next level. He did finish 1 yr of college ,kids have gone from HS to the nba. When many were down on Sampson I said he has next level skills This kid has next level skills It all depends on his motivation and guidance I will not count him out yet making the nba. Although he has his work cut out Wish him the best

Also don't think this destroys his chances of playing in the league, but it sure will make the road there that much rougher IMO.

 

[Section3]

Sounds like LoVett may have known about Jordan's status before he committed
Check out the end of the article

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...tm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

Maybe, or maybe he was anticipating starting along side Jordan.

I always tell my kids to keep all their options open, and do your best at everything, so that as many decisions as possible are in your own hands.

It seems to me that Jordan made his mind up he was leaving eay before the season ended and made zero attempts at academics. Then Mullin comes in, speaks to Jordan, and Jordan wants to come back. Only one problem: he hasn't paid attention to school all semester. Mullin commented just a few weeks ago that Jordan was focusing on finals, but I'm guessing he was hopelessly behind. Big mistake. He messed up big time by giving up on school and in doing so destroyed his chances of playing next fall.

If there is a silver lining, at least SJU didnt let the kid pass classes for which he wsn't showing - ala UNC

 

[redfanO10101ll]

I think LoVett can be an All Big East type player one day but anyone who is saying not having Jordan is better in the short-term is probably lying to themselves a bit. Mussini and LoVett are great young building blocks but Jordan was poised to emerge as a true star this year.

I'm psyched to see the new staff changing the culture, pointing the program in the right direction and bringing in the promising guys that they have so far. When all is said and done maybe LoVett and Mussini (fingers crossed for Mussini) are the best backcourt in the BE in 3 years, but if Jordan really is done, it'll be sad to see the guy blow such a great opportunity to showcase himself. He was going to be our guy this year and would have had a chance to make his case to pro scouts. In my often-wrong opinion losing Jordan downgrades us from an NCAA bubble team to a team at the bottom of the league at the start of a true rebuild. Psyched for the future but disappointed for today.

 

[we are sju]

Not sure how Lavin is getting shit for this? If he would have told Jordan to piss off last year, the seniors would have never gotten to a tourney and everyone on here would have been killing Lavin. From what I am told Lavin had to kiss his ass for two years. Jordan had no business being in college anyway. If you want to kill Lavin for not having enough good players to be able to tell him to piss off that is fine. But not Lavin's fault Jordan failed out of school. It is the system that allows or demands these kids go to college and Jordan for not doing the limited amount of work he needed to do.

 

[we are sju]

The one thing I will say about Lavin is, since Jordan was never thrown off the team, what exactly did Harrison do his Sophomore year? Kill a guy with a trident?

 

[paultzman]

@Sam_Vecenie: I updated my Rysheed Jordan post from earlier regarding his options, which do not include the NBA:http://t.co/hHyIxz9hsS

 

[22057]

Don't we have an Academic person who travels with the team and is supposed
to be on top of the players. They get feedback from professor's. They get mid term
grades as well plus you go to the class and see if they are there.

 

[usguard]

Don't we have an Academic person who travels with the team and is supposed
to be on top of the players. They get feedback from professor's. They get mid term
grades as well plus you go to the class and see if they are there.

You would think so But sometimes you can leas a horse to water etc

 

[otis]

Not sure how Lavin is getting shit for this? If he would have told Jordan to piss off last year, the seniors would have never gotten to a tourney and everyone on here would have been killing Lavin. From what I am told Lavin had to kiss his ass for two years. Jordan had no business being in college anyway. If you want to kill Lavin for not having enough good players to be able to tell him to piss off that is fine. But not Lavin's fault Jordan failed out of school. It is the system that allows or demands these kids go to college and Jordan for not doing the limited amount of work he needed to do.

Yeah, "Lav" is a victim.

 

[we are sju]

Not sure how Lavin is getting shit for this? If he would have told Jordan to piss off last year, the seniors would have never gotten to a tourney and everyone on here would have been killing Lavin. From what I am told Lavin had to kiss his ass for two years. Jordan had no business being in college anyway. If you want to kill Lavin for not having enough good players to be able to tell him to piss off that is fine. But not Lavin's fault Jordan failed out of school. It is the system that allows or demands these kids go to college and Jordan for not doing the limited amount of work he needed to do.

Yeah, "Lav" is a victim.

Never said that. My point is no one would have been happy if he had cut him loose, which really was the only thing he could have done. Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. He knew what he was supposed to do and all he did was cause problems for 2 years. You can blame Lavin for a lot of stuff but not this. Heck blame him for recruiting Jordan in first place.

 

[fun]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

 

[MCNPA]

Sounds like LoVett may have known about Jordan's status before he committed
Check out the end of the article

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...tm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

Maybe, or maybe he was anticipating starting along side Jordan.

I always tell my kids to keep all their options open, and do your best at everything, so that as many decisions as possible are in your own hands.

It seems to me that Jordan made his mind up he was leaving eay before the season ended and made zero attempts at academics. Then Mullin comes in, speaks to Jordan, and Jordan wants to come back. Only one problem: he hasn't paid attention to school all semester. Mullin commented just a few weeks ago that Jordan was focusing on finals, but I'm guessing he was hopelessly behind. Big mistake. He messed up big time by giving up on school and in doing so destroyed his chances of playing next fall.

Don't wait around for second semester either. Suspect strongly we have seen the last of Jordan.

Feel the same way, but still hoping that this serves as a huge wake up call for Sheed, and that he spends the summer and fall committed to his studies in an effort to get his academics in order, and to have the opportunity suit up the second semester.

Not so sure that this situation means he can not play at the next level. He did finish 1 yr of college ,kids have gone from HS to the nba. When many were down on Sampson I said he has next level skills This kid has next level skills It all depends on his motivation and guidance I will not count him out yet making the nba. Although he has his work cut out Wish him the best

Also don't think this destroys his chances of playing in the league, but it sure will make the road there that much rougher IMO.

I think it destroys em. NBA teams won't go near a head case like this. The kid has been acting erratic and immature since he got here. He's taken several leaves, now stops going to school. I don't think NBA teams will tough him right now.

 

[fun]

I think it destroys em. NBA teams won't go near a head case like this.

This is a joke, right? Tyreke Evans was the driver in a shooting and a lottery pick. Lance Stephenson pled guilty to sexual assault. Gilbert Arenas and some other guy had a showdown in the locker room. Dennis Rodman wore a dress. But the NBA draws the line at failing Sports Management 101, because you have to have standards.

 

[doodyny33]

@Sam_Vecenie: I updated my Rysheed Jordan post from earlier regarding his options, which do not include the NBA:http://t.co/hHyIxz9hsS

Wow, so this kid really screwed himself by not declaring for the draft. Essentially, he can either return to St. John's or go play overseas for a season. Obviously I'm biased, but I really think the best thing for RySheed is to get his grades in order and soak up the experience that Mullin & Pinckney can offer him. With a solid junior year, he's probably a first round pick next year.

 

[doodyny33]

Sounds like LoVett may have known about Jordan's status before he committed
Check out the end of the article

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/c...tm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter

Maybe, or maybe he was anticipating starting along side Jordan.

I always tell my kids to keep all their options open, and do your best at everything, so that as many decisions as possible are in your own hands.

It seems to me that Jordan made his mind up he was leaving eay before the season ended and made zero attempts at academics. Then Mullin comes in, speaks to Jordan, and Jordan wants to come back. Only one problem: he hasn't paid attention to school all semester. Mullin commented just a few weeks ago that Jordan was focusing on finals, but I'm guessing he was hopelessly behind. Big mistake. He messed up big time by giving up on school and in doing so destroyed his chances of playing next fall.

Don't wait around for second semester either. Suspect strongly we have seen the last of Jordan.

Feel the same way, but still hoping that this serves as a huge wake up call for Sheed, and that he spends the summer and fall committed to his studies in an effort to get his academics in order, and to have the opportunity suit up the second semester.

Not so sure that this situation means he can not play at the next level. He did finish 1 yr of college ,kids have gone from HS to the nba. When many were down on Sampson I said he has next level skills This kid has next level skills It all depends on his motivation and guidance I will not count him out yet making the nba. Although he has his work cut out Wish him the best

Also don't think this destroys his chances of playing in the league, but it sure will make the road there that much rougher IMO.

I think it destroys em. NBA teams won't go near a head case like this. The kid has been acting erratic and immature since he got here. He's taken several leaves, now stops going to school. I don't think NBA teams will tough him right now.

There are certain organizations that would refrain from taking him, but by and large nobody really cares. Gilbert Arenas was always a head case and he had a long NBA career. For God's sake, Arenas & Crittenton had a gun standoff in the locker room.

 

[we are sju]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

I don't disagree but would you have sung his praises if he threw him off the team? Both of us still question whether it was necessary to suspend Harrison. Look coach K kept a serial molester on the team for a year. Only threw him off when once he had better guards. If he would have recruited better than maybe he could have "taken a stand".

 

[ras]

Not sure how Lavin is getting shit for this? If he would have told Jordan to piss off last year, the seniors would have never gotten to a tourney and everyone on here would have been killing Lavin. From what I am told Lavin had to kiss his ass for two years. Jordan had no business being in college anyway. If you want to kill Lavin for not having enough good players to be able to tell him to piss off that is fine. But not Lavin's fault Jordan failed out of school. It is the system that allows or demands these kids go to college and Jordan for not doing the limited amount of work he needed to do.

I'm not blaming Lavin for this. Where I blame Lavin is where He left us for next year. I'm not convinced Sampson would have signed his LOI. Certainly the allure of PT didn't do it for him. He will be coming off the bench at LSU, but he will be playing w an excellent supporting cast. The only BE ready player Lavin left us w is CO., He's coming off the suspension and will be on a short leach.