More Jordan Problems?

[gman]

Sounds likes its time for Sheed to try and get paid for playing hoops. Head the he NBDL. School isn't his thing so go focus on playing.

 

[Section3]

Not sure how Lavin is getting shit for this? If he would have told Jordan to piss off last year, the seniors would have never gotten to a tourney and everyone on here would have been killing Lavin. From what I am told Lavin had to kiss his ass for two years. Jordan had no business being in college anyway. If you want to kill Lavin for not having enough good players to be able to tell him to piss off that is fine. But not Lavin's fault Jordan failed out of school. It is the system that allows or demands these kids go to college and Jordan for not doing the limited amount of work he needed to do.

Yeah, "Lav" is a victim.

You're an opportunist...he made us relevant again...mismanegd the roster and paid for it with his job...not everything was his fault..

 

[sirvoo]

There's an old Greek proverb, "You can't hide behind your finger." Very difficult reading about assigning blame for this sad situation. It sucks but let's move on from the blame game

 

[beast of the east]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and if Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

Are you saying prior to the suspension the chances were slim and none or after.

At face value, it seems silly. We were 16-11, 8-7 in conference. Realistically we'd have had to win 2 of 3 vs. a tough ranked Marquette team, a tough Providence team, and a tough ND team. I don't think we were playing well leading up to the suspension - could be wrong. Without Harrison we lost all three, and then won a 1st round BE game before going out in round 2. End result 17-15, 8-10 or something like that. Had we ended that way with Harrison, people would have pointed at Lavin as a failure. I'm not saying Lavin thought about that as an excuse, but he had to consider that we weren't going to dance without Harrison.

 

[beast of the east]

Not sure how Lavin is getting shit for this? If he would have told Jordan to piss off last year, the seniors would have never gotten to a tourney and everyone on here would have been killing Lavin. From what I am told Lavin had to kiss his ass for two years. Jordan had no business being in college anyway. If you want to kill Lavin for not having enough good players to be able to tell him to piss off that is fine. But not Lavin's fault Jordan failed out of school. It is the system that allows or demands these kids go to college and Jordan for not doing the limited amount of work he needed to do.

Yeah, "Lav" is a victim.

You're an opportunist...he made us relevant again...mismanegd the roster and paid for it with his job...not everything was his fault..

Lavin by a reasonable measure, did not fail here. He got us to the dance twice in 5 seasons, when prior to his arrival many of us doubted if we'd ever be a tourney team again. The reality though is that once the program was restored, the next order of business was to elevate it. That seemed beyond Lavin, at least at his price tag, the results weren't good enough.

 

[beast of the east]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and if Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

This is a little cynical, no? Do I think Lavin would have suspended Harrison if we had wrapped up a tournament berth? No, but I think he knew that he had to do it to get the best out of him and the team the next few seasons.

As for Jordan, it's seems pretty simple. He needed his hand held and we switched staffs at the most critical time of the semester. He was already strained academically after the Big East and NCAA tournaments and then he loses all of his coaches, went a week with nobody, and then only had two guys on staff that couldn't possibly hold his hand like he had done for two years.

If Lavin did one thing well it was overseeing the academics of his players. Nobody was academically ineligible and everyone that stayed four years graduated--some early.

Jordan did not have to go a day without anyone holding his hand. The players all have tutors, and there's a whole staff of people dedicated to catering to the needs of the student athletes. The Jordan train left the station long before Lavin was fired.

You must have SJU confused with Kentucky. This is comical. No, at St. John's it's the DOBO and the staff that have to chase these kids around. We don't have the support staff other high majors have. I've seen coaches literally show up to class to check on students. I've been a student athlete at SJU as well...trust e on this.

What sport did you play? PM me if you don't want to publicly state it. Really cool.

 

[fun]

What sport did you play? PM me if you don't want to publicly state it. Really cool.

Marillac lettered in baseball, football, basketball, soccer and lacrosse in college, ran track, and invented field hockey. He also rode Peace Rules to a third place finish in the Derby in 2003. If he hadn't gotten bumped at the start he might have placed. Consolation he bred the winner Funny Cide and sponsored Jose Santos for citizenship.

 

[mjmaherjr]

What sport did you play? PM me if you don't want to publicly state it. Really cool.

Marillac lettered in baseball, football, basketball, soccer and lacrosse in college, ran track, and invented field hockey. He also rode Peace Rules to a third place finish in the Derby in 2003. If he hadn't gotten bumped at the start he might have placed. Consolation he bred the winner Funny Cide and sponsored Jose Santos for citizenship.

You forgot beer pong champion of his fraternity Phi Slamma Jamma

 

[mkras99]

What sport did you play? PM me if you don't want to publicly state it. Really cool.

Marillac lettered in baseball, football, basketball, soccer and lacrosse in college, ran track, and invented field hockey. He also rode Peace Rules to a third place finish in the Derby in 2003. If he hadn't gotten bumped at the start he might have placed. Consolation he bred the winner Funny Cide and sponsored Jose Santos for citizenship.

You forgot beer pong champion of his fraternity Phi Slamma Jamma

marillac is Bill Brasky.

 

[mjmaherjr]

What sport did you play? PM me if you don't want to publicly state it. Really cool.

Marillac lettered in baseball, football, basketball, soccer and lacrosse in college, ran track, and invented field hockey. He also rode Peace Rules to a third place finish in the Derby in 2003. If he hadn't gotten bumped at the start he might have placed. Consolation he bred the winner Funny Cide and sponsored Jose Santos for citizenship.

You forgot beer pong champion of his fraternity Phi Slamma Jamma

marillac is Bill Brasky.

+1 for all SNL references

 

[Andrew]

What sport did you play? PM me if you don't want to publicly state it. Really cool.

Marillac lettered in baseball, football, basketball, soccer and lacrosse in college, ran track, and invented field hockey. He also rode Peace Rules to a third place finish in the Derby in 2003. If he hadn't gotten bumped at the start he might have placed. Consolation he bred the winner Funny Cide and sponsored Jose Santos for citizenship.

If all he did was breed Funny Cide, I would be impressed.

 

[monte]

Not sure how Lavin is getting shit for this? If he would have told Jordan to piss off last year, the seniors would have never gotten to a tourney and everyone on here would have been killing Lavin. From what I am told Lavin had to kiss his ass for two years. Jordan had no business being in college anyway. If you want to kill Lavin for not having enough good players to be able to tell him to piss off that is fine. But not Lavin's fault Jordan failed out of school. It is the system that allows or demands these kids go to college and Jordan for not doing the limited amount of work he needed to do.

Yeah, "Lav" is a victim.

You're an opportunist...he made us relevant again...mismanegd the roster and paid for it with his job...not everything was his fault..

Lavin by a reasonable measure, did not fail here. He got us to the dance twice in 5 seasons, when prior to his arrival many of us doubted if we'd ever be a tourney team again. The reality though is that once the program was restored, the next order of business was to elevate it. That seemed beyond Lavin, at least at his price tag, the results weren't good enough.

Beast agree that by any reasonable measure he did not fail. However he was not getting paid 2 MIl per to "not fail". He was getting paid to succeed.

 

[ohiofan]

What sport did you play? PM me if you don't want to publicly state it. Really cool.

Marillac lettered in baseball, football, basketball, soccer and lacrosse in college, ran track, and invented field hockey. He also rode Peace Rules to a third place finish in the Derby in 2003. If he hadn't gotten bumped at the start he might have placed. Consolation he bred the winner Funny Cide and sponsored Jose Santos for citizenship.

If all he did was breed Funny Cide, I would be impressed.

What kind of ladder do you suppose he used?

 

[fun]

What sport did you play? PM me if you don't want to publicly state it. Really cool.

Marillac lettered in baseball, football, basketball, soccer and lacrosse in college, ran track, and invented field hockey. He also rode Peace Rules to a third place finish in the Derby in 2003. If he hadn't gotten bumped at the start he might have placed. Consolation he bred the winner Funny Cide and sponsored Jose Santos for citizenship.

If all he did was breed Funny Cide, I would be impressed.

I felt kind of bad after I hit the send button. Marillac wouldn't be caught dead around a NY bred.

 

[STJ11Redmen]

Jordan is to blame. Whatever his circumstances were, Jordan is to blame. .

And Lavin is also to blame, because Lavin enabled Jordan's behavior. And in Lavin's case it's worse, because he's the alleged grown up, and the alleged teacher who jibber jabbered on interminably about how some things are more important than winning and blah blah blah and bragged incessantly about how four of of players graduated like that's some enormous accomplishment. Which it is, if you've accomplished nothing else. Hence all the #SJUDegrees #SeniorLeadership #FiveForFiveGraduates #Family #Represent bullshit on his moronic twitter feed. Which is Lavin in a nutshell. Something good happens, he gets the credit. Something bad happens, someone else is to blame.

One could argue that when Lavin suspended Harrison, the chances for an NCAA bid were somewhere between slim and none. By suspending Harrison, he'd get a pass for the rest of the season. In both of Jordan's campaigns we were in the hunt for an NCAA bid till very late in the season (Providence BE loss sealed freshman season), and if Jordan were suspended the season was gone at that point.

This is a little cynical, no? Do I think Lavin would have suspended Harrison if we had wrapped up a tournament berth? No, but I think he knew that he had to do it to get the best out of him and the team the next few seasons.

As for Jordan, it's seems pretty simple. He needed his hand held and we switched staffs at the most critical time of the semester. He was already strained academically after the Big East and NCAA tournaments and then he loses all of his coaches, went a week with nobody, and then only had two guys on staff that couldn't possibly hold his hand like he had done for two years.

If Lavin did one thing well it was overseeing the academics of his players. Nobody was academically ineligible and everyone that stayed four years graduated--some early.

Jordan did not have to go a day without anyone holding his hand. The players all have tutors, and there's a whole staff of people dedicated to catering to the needs of the student athletes. The Jordan train left the station long before Lavin was fired.

You must have SJU confused with Kentucky. This is comical. No, at St. John's it's the DOBO and the staff that have to chase these kids around. We don't have the support staff other high majors have. I've seen coaches literally show up to class to check on students. I've been a student athlete at SJU as well...trust e on this.

Yep Norm, Casey and Braica regularly would check in on players in my classes. I wad also roommates with a player and coaches would stop by all the time to check on the player.

 

[MainMan]

You must have SJU confused with Kentucky. This is comical. No, at St. John's it's the DOBO and the staff that have to chase these kids around. We don't have the support staff other high majors have. I've seen coaches literally show up to class to check on students. I've been a student athlete at SJU as well...trust e on this.

"The Academic Support program assigns each varsity team an athletic academic advisor. Each advisor serves as a key contact for student-athletes seeking academic assistance and helps the student-athletes navigate the academic community. Utilizing the Developmental Advising Model, the academic support staff creates an individualized educational plan based on each student's strengths and weaknesses. Advisors are in regular contact with instructors through progress reports, phone calls and e-mails. This information is used as a source of intervention to identify problem areas and make necessary recommendations for improvement. The advisor works closely with their assigned students to monitor their academic progress throughout the semester."

http://www.redstormsports.com/school-bio/student-development-academic-support.html

 

[1and1sju]

This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.

 

[cappy105]

in all honesty, all he really is doing is putting our program in jeopardy. If he violates NCAA rules and we play him, we are back to square one. If you check my posts along with dozens others, we've been plenty patient with Sheed. When is it time to grow up and be responsible? Sorry fellas, time to cut the cord and for us not being on egg shell every pre game to see if he is playing.

 

[we are sju]

This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.

If some rumors are true this was not just once season ended either

 

[firestorm]

No need for the faux outrage on this one. It was more than clear that Sheed's interests were not in getting his degree and none of this should be a tremendous surprise to anyone.

Some kids are not cut out for college. Jordan is not the first and won't be the last.