More Jordan Problems?

No need for the faux outrage on this one. It was more than clear that Sheed's interests were not in getting his degree and none of this should be a tremendous surprise to anyone.

Some kids are not cut out for college. Jordan is not the first and won't be the last.
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double thank you for this
 
This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.
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Desco,

I'm not disputing this statement, but do you know this is true?

David Russell back in the day was a notorious non-student. I was good friends with a guy who taught him. Once Russell didn't show all semester. Athletes then had midterm grades (progress reports) sent to the athletic department. The prof sent an F for Russell, and when queried said he had not shown up all semester. The athletic department put a lot of pressure on the prof and asked if Russell could make up all the semester's work. A deal was struck whereby Russell would complete assignments and then at the final would take both the midterm and final exam at the same time.

Here's what Russell wrote in one of those paper covered SJU notebooks with the light blue they used (Wonder if they still do use them):

"I do not think I am very well prepared to take this exam." The rest was totally blank, and Russell waited a reasonable amount of time before handing it in, as though he had answered the questions.

The guy failed him. The ahtletic department wasn't thrilled, but didn't push back hard.

Russell for his part, thought he was headed to the NBA and stopped attending classes his senior year the moment the basketball season ended.
 
This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.
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Desco,

I'm not disputing this statement, but do you know this is true?

David Russell back in the day was a notorious non-student. I was good friends with a guy who taught him. Once Russell didn't show all semester. Athletes then had midterm grades (progress reports) sent to the athletic department. The prof sent an F for Russell, and when queried said he had not shown up all semester. The athletic department put a lot of pressure on the prof and asked if Russell could make up all the semester's work. A deal was struck whereby Russell would complete assignments and then at the final would take both the midterm and final exam at the same time.

Here's what Russell wrote in one of those paper covered SJU notebooks with the light blue they used (Wonder if they still do use them):

"I do not think I am very well prepared to take this exam." The rest was totally blank, and Russell waited a reasonable amount of time before handing it in, as though he had answered the questions.

The guy failed him. The ahtletic department wasn't thrilled, but didn't push back hard.

Russell for his part, thought he was headed to the NBA and stopped attending classes his senior year the moment the basketball season ended.
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Beast, as with most things on here, I don't know it for absolute certain - I didn't call Rysheed and ask him. But as soon as the season ended people kept mentioning that he was mia, not on campus etc. And now I'm hearing that that was indeed the case.

I do think the "blue books" are still used haha, and of course athletes can be treated differently and no two situations are the same.
My point was just that the argument over whether he had sufficient academic support seems off base. As far as I've heard, no one's alleging he failed classes on substance, but rather based on lack of attendance or work produced.

Again, it's dicey to discuss a 20yr olds academic record. But he's a semi-public figure, and if you're not seen around campus for awhile .. well, people take notice.
 
This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.
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Desco,

I'm not disputing this statement, but do you know this is true?

David Russell back in the day was a notorious non-student. I was good friends with a guy who taught him. Once Russell didn't show all semester. Athletes then had midterm grades (progress reports) sent to the athletic department. The prof sent an F for Russell, and when queried said he had not shown up all semester. The athletic department put a lot of pressure on the prof and asked if Russell could make up all the semester's work. A deal was struck whereby Russell would complete assignments and then at the final would take both the midterm and final exam at the same time.

Here's what Russell wrote in one of those paper covered SJU notebooks with the light blue they used (Wonder if they still do use them):

"I do not think I am very well prepared to take this exam." The rest was totally blank, and Russell waited a reasonable amount of time before handing it in, as though he had answered the questions.

The guy failed him. The ahtletic department wasn't thrilled, but didn't push back hard.

Russell for his part, thought he was headed to the NBA and stopped attending classes his senior year the moment the basketball season ended.
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Beast, as with most things on here, I don't know it for absolute certain - I didn't call Rysheed and ask him. But as soon as the season ended people kept mentioning that he was mia, not on campus etc. And now I'm hearing that that was indeed the case.

I do think the "blue books" are still used haha, and of course athletes can be treated differently and no two situations are the same.
My point was just that the argument over whether he had sufficient academic support seems off base. As far as I've heard, no one's alleging he failed classes on substance, but rather based on lack of attendance or work produced.

Again, it's dicey to discuss a 20yr olds academic record. But he's a semi-public figure, and if you're not seen around campus for awhile .. well, people take notice.
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Desco I know that as soon as the season ended I asked a few time on here if anyone knew if CO and Sheed were still attending class. I do not recall seeing any responses one way or the other. Not saying you're wrong in your assumption, just saying that do not recall seeing anyone verify this.
 
This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.
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Desco,

I'm not disputing this statement, but do you know this is true?

David Russell back in the day was a notorious non-student. I was good friends with a guy who taught him. Once Russell didn't show all semester. Athletes then had midterm grades (progress reports) sent to the athletic department. The prof sent an F for Russell, and when queried said he had not shown up all semester. The athletic department put a lot of pressure on the prof and asked if Russell could make up all the semester's work. A deal was struck whereby Russell would complete assignments and then at the final would take both the midterm and final exam at the same time.

Here's what Russell wrote in one of those paper covered SJU notebooks with the light blue they used (Wonder if they still do use them):

"I do not think I am very well prepared to take this exam." The rest was totally blank, and Russell waited a reasonable amount of time before handing it in, as though he had answered the questions.

The guy failed him. The ahtletic department wasn't thrilled, but didn't push back hard.

Russell for his part, thought he was headed to the NBA and stopped attending classes his senior year the moment the basketball season ended.
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Had another less-than-star player from that same time in my Philosophy class. He showed up for only the first class and the last class, where he celebrated that he had "aced the class".
 
This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.
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Desco,

I'm not disputing this statement, but do you know this is true?

David Russell back in the day was a notorious non-student. I was good friends with a guy who taught him. Once Russell didn't show all semester. Athletes then had midterm grades (progress reports) sent to the athletic department. The prof sent an F for Russell, and when queried said he had not shown up all semester. The athletic department put a lot of pressure on the prof and asked if Russell could make up all the semester's work. A deal was struck whereby Russell would complete assignments and then at the final would take both the midterm and final exam at the same time.

Here's what Russell wrote in one of those paper covered SJU notebooks with the light blue they used (Wonder if they still do use them):

"I do not think I am very well prepared to take this exam." The rest was totally blank, and Russell waited a reasonable amount of time before handing it in, as though he had answered the questions.

The guy failed him. The ahtletic department wasn't thrilled, but didn't push back hard.

Russell for his part, thought he was headed to the NBA and stopped attending classes his senior year the moment the basketball season ended.
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Had another less-than-star player from that same time in my Philosophy class. He showed up for only the first class and the last class, where he celebrated that he had "aced the class".
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A guy I new once gave Wayne McKoy every answer to ans exam that a lazy professor never bothered to changed for his different sections. He saw Wayne a few days later, and said, "Wayne, how'd you do on the exam?" McKoy responded proudly, "I got myself a B". The guy was astounded and said to McKoy, "How the hell did you get a B. I gave you every single answer." True story
 
No need for the faux outrage on this one. It was more than clear that Sheed's interests were not in getting his degree and none of this should be a tremendous surprise to anyone.

Some kids are not cut out for college. Jordan is not the first and won't be the last.
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Yeah, but he bought into the system (as rotten and monopolistic as that system is) and it placed upon him certain minimum responsibilities that he needed to carry out in order to play.

So yeah, he didn't like school and wasn't a good student. But he signed up for this, knew full well what he needed to do to play and he didn't carry out his end of the deal.
 
For Jordan at this point it is "shit or get off the bowl". Been two years of drama. Like dating a really hot girl who keeps hinting she might break up with you. I thought Jordan had the talent to get us to the tourney. Plus I liked his game. I would still prefer he didn't come back at all.
 
Pretty much the same story when I was at UConn. I'm not going to mention any names, but it was very blatant when basketball players would show up for only the first class and you'd never see them again. I do always give credit to Emeka Okafor. I had a class with him and not only did he attend every class, but he sat in the front row.
 
This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.
Click to expand...

Desco,

I'm not disputing this statement, but do you know this is true?

David Russell back in the day was a notorious non-student. I was good friends with a guy who taught him. Once Russell didn't show all semester. Athletes then had midterm grades (progress reports) sent to the athletic department. The prof sent an F for Russell, and when queried said he had not shown up all semester. The athletic department put a lot of pressure on the prof and asked if Russell could make up all the semester's work. A deal was struck whereby Russell would complete assignments and then at the final would take both the midterm and final exam at the same time.

Here's what Russell wrote in one of those paper covered SJU notebooks with the light blue they used (Wonder if they still do use them):

"I do not think I am very well prepared to take this exam." The rest was totally blank, and Russell waited a reasonable amount of time before handing it in, as though he had answered the questions.

The guy failed him. The ahtletic department wasn't thrilled, but didn't push back hard.

Russell for his part, thought he was headed to the NBA and stopped attending classes his senior year the moment the basketball season ended.
Click to expand...

Had another less-than-star player from that same time in my Philosophy class. He showed up for only the first class and the last class, where he celebrated that he had "aced the class".
Click to expand...

A guy I new once gave Wayne McKoy every answer to ans exam that a lazy professor never bothered to changed for his different sections. He saw Wayne a few days later, and said, "Wayne, how'd you do on the exam?" McKoy responded proudly, "I got myself a B". The guy was astounded and said to McKoy, "How the hell did you get a B. I gave you every single answer." True story
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Some things are best left unsaid.
 
This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.
Click to expand...

Desco,

I'm not disputing this statement, but do you know this is true?

David Russell back in the day was a notorious non-student. I was good friends with a guy who taught him. Once Russell didn't show all semester. Athletes then had midterm grades (progress reports) sent to the athletic department. The prof sent an F for Russell, and when queried said he had not shown up all semester. The athletic department put a lot of pressure on the prof and asked if Russell could make up all the semester's work. A deal was struck whereby Russell would complete assignments and then at the final would take both the midterm and final exam at the same time.

Here's what Russell wrote in one of those paper covered SJU notebooks with the light blue they used (Wonder if they still do use them):

"I do not think I am very well prepared to take this exam." The rest was totally blank, and Russell waited a reasonable amount of time before handing it in, as though he had answered the questions.

The guy failed him. The ahtletic department wasn't thrilled, but didn't push back hard.

Russell for his part, thought he was headed to the NBA and stopped attending classes his senior year the moment the basketball season ended.
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I got to know David many years ago and have lost touch with him
If memory serves me correctly, he eventually became a social worker
 
This is ridiculously besides the point.

You don't need an academic adviser to tell you that your classes still meet on campus in Jamaica, NY ... and not in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

He didn't fail a term-paper. He stayed off campus for weeks after the season ended.
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Desco,

I'm not disputing this statement, but do you know this is true?

David Russell back in the day was a notorious non-student. I was good friends with a guy who taught him. Once Russell didn't show all semester. Athletes then had midterm grades (progress reports) sent to the athletic department. The prof sent an F for Russell, and when queried said he had not shown up all semester. The athletic department put a lot of pressure on the prof and asked if Russell could make up all the semester's work. A deal was struck whereby Russell would complete assignments and then at the final would take both the midterm and final exam at the same time.

Here's what Russell wrote in one of those paper covered SJU notebooks with the light blue they used (Wonder if they still do use them):

"I do not think I am very well prepared to take this exam." The rest was totally blank, and Russell waited a reasonable amount of time before handing it in, as though he had answered the questions.

The guy failed him. The ahtletic department wasn't thrilled, but didn't push back hard.

Russell for his part, thought he was headed to the NBA and stopped attending classes his senior year the moment the basketball season ended.
Click to expand...

Had another less-than-star player from that same time in my Philosophy class. He showed up for only the first class and the last class, where he celebrated that he had "aced the class".
Click to expand...

A guy I new once gave Wayne McKoy every answer to ans exam that a lazy professor never bothered to changed for his different sections. He saw Wayne a few days later, and said, "Wayne, how'd you do on the exam?" McKoy responded proudly, "I got myself a B". The guy was astounded and said to McKoy, "How the hell did you get a B. I gave you every single answer." True story
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Some things are best left unsaid.
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Probably true. Unfortunately, the entire notion of student athlete in college basketball is the expception and not the rule. You're right about singling guys out who were not doing things much differently than many of not most college basketball players do today.

I was thinking though - why do you think it's okay to have an entire thread dedicated to a private matter - Jordan's academic troubles and his effort - but not use former players of examples of the same?
 
Even if he busts his butt in summer and fall semester to get eligible, I guarantee some of us will complain that him returning second semester will disrupt our new-found team chemistry with LoVett and Mussini. :lol:
 
Even if he busts his butt in summer and fall semester to get eligible, I guarantee some of us will complain that him returning second semester will disrupt our new-found team chemistry with LoVett and Mussini. :lol:
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I don't think Mussini comes if Jordan remains.
 
Turn the page.
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Seems like Mullin already has turned the page.

Every time you start to get excited about the SJU basketball program something happens. Oh well hopefully SJU lands Mussini.
 
Even if he busts his butt in summer and fall semester to get eligible, I guarantee some of us will complain that him returning second semester will disrupt our new-found team chemistry with LoVett and Mussini. :lol:
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I don't think Mussini comes if Jordan remains.
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Ugh. Sounds like Mussini no longer a lock.
 
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