More Jordan Problems?
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we are sju
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Yeah I am sure his attendance problems will be cured in the Summer. Maybe they can get Mark Harmon to teach him, he got those guys in the movie to come to class.
we are sju
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No Patsy's or Geno's in Uzebekistan?
Actually maybe SJU should open one of those up, might get him to show up every now and again.
Where's Mussini from? I'm in Italy for a few more days.
the staff can name me the temporary additional recruiter, since we don't have a 3rd assistant.
As for RJ, I sincerely hope he can live in the present and make the most of the oppertunities he has. But it's true that his disappearing act has been a problem for two years now.
Stay on campus! Go to class, workout, and hangout with ny girls.
If that's what my work week consisted of I'd be in heaven.
the staff can name me the temporary additional recruiter, since we don't have a 3rd assistant.
As for RJ, I sincerely hope he can live in the present and make the most of the oppertunities he has. But it's true that his disappearing act has been a problem for two years now.
Stay on campus! Go to class, workout, and hangout with ny girls.
If that's what my work week consisted of I'd be in heaven.
Knockout-Ned
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How much of a ding will this be to our APR if he leaves school b/c he's not eligible to play? Also, any APR issues with the brothers transferring? What if one or both don't enroll in another school? A hit?
indyredmen97
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It pains me to see these threads because they often reveal the irreconcilable differences between some of us and the 'student-athlete'. As fans we only care about the player's grades so long as the kid is productive on the court, so as to maintain his eligibility. We only care about their graduation rates as they affect our ranking, and not necessarily the individual. We cling to the notion that we offer an opportunity to obtain a free education that maybe transformative, when in reality we cut kids and send them off via transfer when they don't perform to our needs. I like to think we at St. John's are better than that, but we're not. Moving on to the next player is what we do, but not before we kick some dirt on the kid first, blaming him entirely for his lack of planning (he and we all embraced an idea of a 2 year stop before the NBA), ambivalence to classes, and need to keep returning to Philly for one difficulty or another.
How about the fact that no one seemed to blink that this kid was kept away from the media for two years? Or how about the fact that his homophobic tweets demonstrated a rage and lack of maturity? Or, perhaps the biggest problem, his family circle's complete and unrealistic view of his greatness and his ability to lift them from despair. A winning lottery ticket for a family living in a world not conducive to supporting and assisting a college student. Rasheed Jordan's potential ineligibility isn't lamentable, it's predictable. If there was any player I blame Coach Lavin for the predicament, it's Jordan. So highly touted, so seductive with his talent, and so vital to Lavin's future, that there was no contingency plan for him or the school. He came to school here for basketball, now we're demanding to know why he didn't care enough about classes. I hope he becomes eligible, positions himself well for the draft, and maybe wins a few games for us. But if he doesn't do any of these things, I'm not going to insult him on his way out the door, I knew what this relationship really is about.
How about the fact that no one seemed to blink that this kid was kept away from the media for two years? Or how about the fact that his homophobic tweets demonstrated a rage and lack of maturity? Or, perhaps the biggest problem, his family circle's complete and unrealistic view of his greatness and his ability to lift them from despair. A winning lottery ticket for a family living in a world not conducive to supporting and assisting a college student. Rasheed Jordan's potential ineligibility isn't lamentable, it's predictable. If there was any player I blame Coach Lavin for the predicament, it's Jordan. So highly touted, so seductive with his talent, and so vital to Lavin's future, that there was no contingency plan for him or the school. He came to school here for basketball, now we're demanding to know why he didn't care enough about classes. I hope he becomes eligible, positions himself well for the draft, and maybe wins a few games for us. But if he doesn't do any of these things, I'm not going to insult him on his way out the door, I knew what this relationship really is about.
No. You're not going to insult him, but in two paragraphs you just noted his homophobia, uncontrollable rage, immaturity, and admitted he probably never cared about academics in the first place.
I think I get what you're trying to say indy, and I agree that fan bases don't stand by these kids after they're put through the ringer. That's why I prefer amateur sports not be connected with higher education.
But the way you described rj's situation was basically one giant implied insult.
indyredmen97
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Desco, certainly no intention to insult Rasheed, I don't know him and he's one of ours so I root for him both on and off the court. What I pointed out were not for that purpose but to show facts that we as fans largely ignored for the sake of the program but were valuable predictors for the future. The bargain we strike with kids as talented as Rasheed, Artest, and Harkless are simple: play here and we'll help you improve, showcase your talents, and hopefully get you to the next level. In exchange we want you work hard on the court, and do what's necessary in classroom to continue your eligibility. So now a kid who did his part (albeit below his and our expectations), but hasn't done enough thus far to buy him the extra year (that neither of us anticipated at the start) and with a different coach than he bargained with, deserves our scorn? That part doesn't seem fair and certainly adds to the mockery of the term student athlete, which is already a farce
It seemed to me that both Norm and Lavin (as opposed to Fran and Jarvis) treated student athletes as people and not just as meat to be thrown down the gullet of the basketball digestive tract. If the new regime does not maintain the student athletes as people approach, no amount of wins will compensate for resuming the degradation of STJ basketball.
redfan2kkkkkkjjjjjj
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Ahhh... Michael Porter... what could have been... he was iverson before iverson... AMAZIN hops combined with a feathery soft j... Sad.
Ahhh... Michael Porter... what could have been... he was iverson before iverson... AMAZIN hops combined with a feathery soft j... Sad.
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JDR's leaving doesn't affect the APR nor would it have if he stayed and graduated because he started out at another 4 year school (just one of the nuances of APR that is criticized).
Don't know about ADR since he wasn't eligible and never played.
JDR's leaving doesn't affect the APR nor would it have if he stayed and graduated because he started out at another 4 year school (just one of the nuances of APR that is criticized).
Don't know about ADR since he wasn't eligible and never played.