Mike Rice Hot Water
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I am usually a pretty big supporter for old school style coaches, but this was just ridiculous. Rutgers needs to can the AD as well because he made a mockery of the school. How could anyone see that tape and not fire Rice? He KICKED a kid...he shoved several others...he threw countless basketballs at kids. That is just not acceptable. The AD saw that and retained a coach that wasn't even producing on the court.
They ended up firing Rice because the video got out to the public...that's it.
They ended up firing Rice because the video got out to the public...that's it.
Moose
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If its Christie's call since its state school and all what involvement did he had when the first suspension happened? Was he aware? Should he have been then?[/quote]
I'm sure that Christie had nothing to do with the suspension or the investigation back in the Fall. He had much bigger things going on in the aftermath of Sandy, and he can't get himself involved in the administration of the athletic program at on of the State University campuses. Its not his job.[/quote]
So now does he poke his head in and comment? I have no care in the world about Christie and his politics but if he wants to chime in now and since its state school has involvement than what happened 3 months ago should have caught his desk the same way. Thats all.
beast of the east
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I think that guys who played HS or college basketball 20 years ago or more can recollect coaching temperaments similar to Rice's. I can think of a couple of guys who could go ballistic in practice like that. One is hailed arguably as the greatest coach of all time - Knight. Steve Alford, it is claimed, routinely got thrown out of practice by Knight. I'm sure if you had video cell phones back then, a recorded clip wouldn't be pretty. Even then it would have been unacceptable.
It's funny, there are some former coaches who behaved like madmen in practice and on the sidelines, and they are beloved by their former players. Some of them are legitimately great guys who looked out for their players and lids they taught long after graduation.
One of them I know well. I was over his house a couple of days after the famous event where Pippin refused to go back into a game because a play was diagrammed for Toni Kukoc. A few months later, at Providence, God ShamGod (sp??) did the same thing, likely imitating Pippin. I asked the hs coach what he would have done if a player did that. He responded that it wouldnt happen. I persisted, and said I'm not asking if it would happen, I'm asking what would he do IF it happened. He got angroer and angrier, and finally, when asked why it wouldn't happen, said "Because I'd shove his head into a toilet bowl!" I starting laughing, and the coach said "You think I haven't done that?"
What makes Rice's behavior intolerable is that, fortunately, times have changed. Many would argue that the pendulum has swung too far, and players are coddled. Still and all, watching the guy hurl basketballs at players was pitiful. On the street or in the schoolyard, he would have gotten his a** kicked by every kid he ever the a ball at.
The remnants of "old school" styles are likely why Rice retained his job, and was suspended earlier. The video clip gone viral is what cost him his job, and deservedly so.
They Interviewed Dan Dakich who's a college basketball analyst now and was once an assistant on Bobby Knight's staff. He said, Knight lost his temper more during games than he did in practice. He said, the times when Knight did lose his temper during practice that it never rose to the level of what he saw in the video with Mike Rice. He said, he's not trying to paint Bobby Knight as a saint but that it just did not rise to that level when he was there.
Yes times have changed and I do not condone his behavior Especially the gay slur. .Yes I am from the old school so there is that part of me that feels we are leading towards becoming a bunch wusses .There was a reason that no one complained It goes on in sports and do agree if it was not for technology he would still be coaching .. Players have a right. to.complain .to the AD or President
So did his staff Just another view point
So did his staff Just another view point
westchesterjoe
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Those speculations might be true but, if I'm Jay Wright I'd rather coach in a insane asylum and admit myself as a patient, rather than coach at Rutgers.. Their 2 previous Coaches, whose names I forget already and too busy to look up, were also of the Prison Warden School of Basketball Coaching and were dismissed dishonorably.
Rutgers is/was a Coaches Graveyard, since Tom Young of the Jammin James Bailey ERA. Going to the Big 10 won't help change that in basketball.
beast of the east
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Bob Knight is in the top 5 of all time, almost inarguably. I also think that despite his temper, and outrageous behavior at time, he is a good guy who actually cares about his former players.
All I'm saying is that if you rolled back the calendar, I think we would be shocked at the tantrums some coaches threw in practice. I don't think it was ever right, all I'm saying is that this behavior isn't isolated or bizarre, but over the top, and from another era.
What is annoying is the piling on - whenever anyone fails, the masses call for his head. It's why people have tailgate parties outside prisons awaiting executions. There's a sick part of ourselves that enjoy watching someone being taken down.
beast of the east
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I'm sure that Christie had nothing to do with the suspension or the investigation back in the Fall. He had much bigger things going on in the aftermath of Sandy, and he can't get himself involved in the administration of the athletic program at on of the State University campuses. Its not his job.[/quote]
So now does he poke his head in and comment? I have no care in the world about Christie and his politics but if he wants to chime in now and since its state school has involvement than what happened 3 months ago should have caught his desk the same way. Thats all.[/quote]
The school's administration dealt with Rice in a public way, and suspended him. They decided that this didn't rise to the level of an offense worth termination, and while that decision can be debated, in no way did they sweep this under the carpet. Any time something is recorded and played back you think that paints a picture of someone, when all it really is is seeing someone in his worst moments.
Alec Baldwin screaming at his 8 year old daughter on the phone, calling her names like "piggy".
Mel Gibson screaming and threatening in his wife while in a drunken(?) rage.
Imagine if the authorities had video of us at our worst possible moment screaming at a child, wife, etc.
Not saying this wasn't horrific, but I am sayin the school dealt with this and not lightly.
I'm sure that Christie had nothing to do with the suspension or the investigation back in the Fall. He had much bigger things going on in the aftermath of Sandy, and he can't get himself involved in the administration of the athletic program at on of the State University campuses. Its not his job.[/quote]
So now does he poke his head in and comment? I have no care in the world about Christie and his politics but if he wants to chime in now and since its state school has involvement than what happened 3 months ago should have caught his desk the same way. Thats all.[/quote]
Not sure anyone, without seeing the tape, has the same reaction they did three months ago to this.
Moose
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The issue was only magnified now. All the facts were on the table 3 months ago as they are now. The same taxpayer argument and all that is true, I agree, but to me he should have chimed in back then. In my mind he is just as guilty as the others for him and/or his administration hoping it fell by the wayside.
Actually, all three nyc metero big east schools have hired some really untalented/insane coaches in the last 20 years.
STJ - Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis and Roberts
SHU - Blaney, Amaker, Orr, Gonzalez and Willard
Rutgers - Bannon, Waters, Hiil, and Rice
Some nice guys, good assistants, but poor head coaches. Some unsavory charlatans, and some clearly demented. Barring any video surfacing on Bobby G., my - Serenity Now - Insanity Later Award goes to Coach Rice.
STJ - Mahoney, Fraschilla, Jarvis and Roberts
SHU - Blaney, Amaker, Orr, Gonzalez and Willard
Rutgers - Bannon, Waters, Hiil, and Rice
Some nice guys, good assistants, but poor head coaches. Some unsavory charlatans, and some clearly demented. Barring any video surfacing on Bobby G., my - Serenity Now - Insanity Later Award goes to Coach Rice.
That's what makes this so bizarre. More then Rice's maniacal style, why would Pernetti put himself in jeopardy by retaining him? Why wouldn't Barchi view the incident of his highest profile employee in Nov? Why not terminate Rice and make the tape available to the taxpayers in Dec?
beast of the east
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Just think of what would happen to Bill Clinton if some tapes were to surface of his indiscretions.