Mike Rice Hot Water

[maineqb]

The issue was only magnified now. All the facts were on the table 3 months ago as they are now. The same taxpayer argument and all that is true, I agree, but to me he should have chimed in back then. In my mind he is just as guilty as the others for him and/or his administration hoping it fell by the wayside.

If he didn't view the tape, like us, I'd say it's fair to change an opinion on this, no?

Yes. But maybe I'm naive to think someone in the state since they fund the school would have seen the tape when it first popped up. If not than Pernetti is a really big idiot as opposed to just an idiot.

That's what makes this so bizarre. More then Rice's maniacal style, why would Pernetti put himself in jeopardy by retaining him? Why wouldn't Barchi view the incident of his highest profile employee in Nov? Why not terminate Rice and make the tape available to the taxpayers in Dec?

Blaudschun answers it pretty well here:
http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=6391

"It would be interesting to know if anyone from the Big Ten knew if anything at all was going on with the Rutgers basketball program when the announcement was made on November 20th that Rutgers had been voted in as the 14th member of the conference.

It would be interesting to know that if the suspension to Rice had been revealed before the announcement of Rutgers approval in the conference, would the Big Ten schools have second thoughts about inviting the Scarlet Knightss.

By handing out a three-game suspension and leaving the reasons vague, the spotlight was brief. The college world quickly moved to other issues, especially during the height of the football bowl season."

 

[tom in salem]

Robert Barchi's removal demanded

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-co...hts-faculty-members-call-robert-barchi-resign

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

December timeframe, Rutgers did not want to do anything to risk the big 10 deal.........

 

[tom in salem]

Phil Martelli's son

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...een-video-pushing-players-using-slurs-resigns

 

[redken]

Phil Martelli's son

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...een-video-pushing-players-using-slurs-resigns

It must have taken a lot of self-control for some of these players not to cold-cock this little turd.

 

[Porgyman]

The issue was only magnified now. All the facts were on the table 3 months ago as they are now. The same taxpayer argument and all that is true, I agree, but to me he should have chimed in back then. In my mind he is just as guilty as the others for him and/or his administration hoping it fell by the wayside.

If he didn't view the tape, like us, I'd say it's fair to change an opinion on this, no?

Yes. But maybe I'm naive to think someone in the state since they fund the school would have seen the tape when it first popped up. If not than Pernetti is a really big idiot as opposed to just an idiot.

That's what makes this so bizarre. More then Rice's maniacal style, why would Pernetti put himself in jeopardy by retaining him? Why wouldn't Barchi view the incident of his highest profile employee in Nov? Why not terminate Rice and make the tape available to the taxpayers in Dec?

Blaudschun answers it pretty well here:
http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=6391

"It would be interesting to know if anyone from the Big Ten knew if anything at all was going on with the Rutgers basketball program when the announcement was made on November 20th that Rutgers had been voted in as the 14th member of the conference.

It would be interesting to know that if the suspension to Rice had been revealed before the announcement of Rutgers approval in the conference, would the Big Ten schools have second thoughts about inviting the Scarlet Knightss.

By handing out a three-game suspension and leaving the reasons vague, the spotlight was brief. The college world quickly moved to other issues, especially during the height of the football bowl season."

Nah....there is an easy answer to this one. As with anything and everything else, the college Presidents in the Big 10 only saw $$$$ signs. Rutgers could have a convicted mass murderer as head coach...they still would be admitted to the conference.

 

[maineqb]

@NBCSN: Rutgers Athletic Director Tim Pernetti to be fired, following the dismissal of basketball coach Mike Rice & assistant Jimmy Martelli.

B10 bullet

 

[usguard]

@NBCSN: Rutgers Athletic Director Tim Pernetti to be fired, following the dismissal of basketball coach Mike Rice & assistant Jimmy Martelli.
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B10 bullet

Wonder if any other big East coaches had any .idea what was going on at Rutgers

 

[Moose]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

 

[simplyred]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

Two different situations, taking two different courses. I don't think our situation has reached its conclusion yet.

 

[maineqb]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

I may question whether some contributors on either board know if the ball is pumped or stuffed, but I can't think of anyone who doesn't believe DH has tarnished our University, and should have been relieved many moons ago.

 

[Moose]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

Two different situations, taking two different courses. I don't think our situation has reached its conclusion yet.

Two different situations yes. But two bad situations regardless. STJ wants our situation to just go away and under the rug. And sadly I think it more than likely will.

 

[Moose]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

I may question whether some contributors on either board know if the ball is pumped or stuffed, but I can't think of anyone who doesn't believe DH has tarnished our University, and should have been relieved many moons ago.

pumped or stuffed?

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIWv5V5RdUMANn37w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBvbGgza2Q0BHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDVjExNg--?p=jimmy+martelli&vid=6c46e64c39ee406e32d10772215ad788&l=2%3A50&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVA.346678366048%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2Fhigh-school%2Fvideo%2Fclip%3Fid%3D9135223&tit=Rutgers+Assistant+On+Video+Resigns&c=1&sigr=11kqbagr8&fr=vmn&tt=b

I think Martelli"s actions were worse than Rice's.

Mike Golic on Mike & Mike was outraged at what he kept calling, this little nut doing all these things to the players. He compared Martelli to a little yappy dog; barking up a storm around the big dogs and getting away with it even though the big dogs could eat him for lunch. Pretty funny from Golic. He said when he saw the video of Martelli he "wanted to smash the little dude in the face". Golic emphasized this jerk's small stature, I guess because Golic is so big and can relate to these huge BB players.

 

[simplyred]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

Two different situations, taking two different courses. I don't think our situation has reached its conclusion yet.

Two different situations yes. But two bad situations regardless. STJ wants our situation to just go away and under the rug. And sadly I think it more than likely will.

If we were a public university, like Rutgers, I suspect that FH would have been fired by now. I don't know who is responsible for letting him go (the Board of Trustees) and what influence he had in who is sitting on the Board. I sense that there may still be some legal consequences.

 

[maineqb]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

I may question whether some contributors on either board know if the ball is pumped or stuffed, but I can't think of anyone who doesn't believe DH has tarnished our University, and should have been relieved many moons ago.

pumped or stuffed?

It's a figure of speech bro. Poking fun at the few whos take on recruiting, offensive sets and staff I find laughable. I can't think of any who aren't disgusted by the actions of our University leadership.

 

[Moose]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

I may question whether some contributors on either board know if the ball is pumped or stuffed, but I can't think of anyone who doesn't believe DH has tarnished our University, and should have been relieved many moons ago.

pumped or stuffed?

It's a figure of speech bro. Poking fun at the few whos take on recruiting, offensive sets and staff I find laughable. I can't think of any who aren't disgusted by the actions of our University leadership.

I figured it was but never heard it before. Hence me asking.

There are without question people here who don't like Harrington for whatever reasons. Problem is most of this board aren't graduates honestly. Just fans of the team so to speak. Nothing wrong with that but the actions of Harrington and Wile have more impact on graduates. What baffles me is how its received next to no attention outside of the Torch and NY Magazine. Yes as Simply pointed out public vs. private school is obviously a factor. I'd be hard pressed to find someone who could do what they did and keep a job. Of course STJ is the exception.

 

[beast of the east]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

I may question whether some contributors on either board know if the ball is pumped or stuffed, but I can't think of anyone who doesn't believe DH has tarnished our University, and should have been relieved many moons ago.

pumped or stuffed?

It's a figure of speech bro. Poking fun at the few whos take on recruiting, offensive sets and staff I find laughable. I can't think of any who aren't disgusted by the actions of our University leadership.

I figured it was but never heard it before. Hence me asking.

There are without question people here who don't like Harrington for whatever reasons. Problem is most of this board aren't graduates honestly. Just fans of the team so to speak. Nothing wrong with that but the actions of Harrington and Wile have more impact on graduates. What baffles me is how its received next to no attention outside of the Torch and NY Magazine. Yes as Simply pointed out public vs. private school is obviously a factor. I'd be hard pressed to find someone who could do what they did and keep a job. Of course STJ is the exception.

A few weeks ago, I was certain that FH's days are numbered. Then with very little said, and Fr. Maher being named at Niagara, it's pretty clear nothing will happen. I hate to say this, but our board is comprised of so many people who made tons of money on Wall Street, or as lawyers, or in real estate development - all businesses or professions where questionable ethics are practiced every day.

I have a feeling that the bottom line is that the personal relationships that FH has cultivated with each board member will cloud their ability to make a clear decision that many SJU alums see as necessary. Combine that with the fact that a BOT position at SJU is paid for by members via hefty donations. I just think they are capable of making this recommendation to the vincentian leadership without jeopardizing their own vlued BOT positions.

 

[beast of the east]

@NBCSN: Rutgers Athletic Director Tim Pernetti to be fired, following the dismissal of basketball coach Mike Rice & assistant Jimmy Martelli.
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B10 bullet

Wonder if any other big East coaches had any .idea what was going on at Rutgers

I think this kind of stuff is all shades of gray. Certainly if this punk threw a ball at any of these guys in a different situation, he'd have gotten pummeled. I can't imagine some of our guys even tolerating it.

But to some extent, some of this stuff happens in many gyms across America to varying degrees. I know girls are entirely a different story, but as a sophomore my daughter would routinely get screamed at in practice, making her cry. Very different than throwing a ball at a kid or shoving him, but in terms of gender, jsut about the worst thing you can do when coaching girls is scream or belittle them.

 

[maineqb]

Interesting thought.

Coach throws balls and uses slurs at players on tape. AD suspends him with President's blessing. Pres does or doesn't see the tape supposedly. Both AD and Pres might take the fall.

Across the river a President and Chief of Staff are involved in morally and ethically wrong practices and nothing

Food for thought.

I may question whether some contributors on either board know if the ball is pumped or stuffed, but I can't think of anyone who doesn't believe DH has tarnished our University, and should have been relieved many moons ago.

pumped or stuffed?

It's a figure of speech bro. Poking fun at the few whos take on recruiting, offensive sets and staff I find laughable. I can't think of any who aren't disgusted by the actions of our University leadership.

I figured it was but never heard it before. Hence me asking.

There are without question people here who don't like Harrington for whatever reasons. Problem is most of this board aren't graduates honestly. Just fans of the team so to speak. Nothing wrong with that but the actions of Harrington and Wile have more impact on graduates. What baffles me is how its received next to no attention outside of the Torch and NY Magazine. Yes as Simply pointed out public vs. private school is obviously a factor. I'd be hard pressed to find someone who could do what they did and keep a job. Of course STJ is the exception.

I can't disagree with anything you have said there. Of course, I've been advocating a change in leadership for about a decade now. If Chang can't finish him, then the rudderless ship that had been our basketball program in the last decade certainly wouldn't have. Perhaps Peter Vecsey?