Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

[quote="panther2" post=401814][quote="Beast of the East" post=401743][quote="Monte" post=401742][quote="Room112" post=401736][quote="MJDinkins" post=401725][quote="Room112" post=401722]Any idea who our last 5 star kids was that wasn't a transfer? When I looked back at Mullin and Lavin they didn't appear to get any.[/quote]Rysheed Jordan.[/quote]He was listed as a 4 star on 24/7 site I checked. I didn't check other sites.[/quote]From verbal commits: [attachment=1694]3E4E9EAF-DCE6-4FEF-AC5A-5AD886C7F3F6.jpeg[/attachment][/quote]

He got an extra star for proving to be a good shooter.[/quote]


Just curious as why you felt the need to post this Beast. To me, it is inappropriate and juvenile. The young man made a terrible mistake, paid the price for it, and now appears to be trying to get on with his life.[/quote]

You're right Panther, and I agree with that. To be clear though, he didn't make a single mistake. Throughout his stay at st. John's he hung out with the wrong people, back home in Philly and then when they frequently visited. He blew a golden opportunity to be transformed by the st. John's college experience, as tens of thousands of young men and women have. He may have been "lucky" that he pulled the trigger and didn't kill someone because his imprisonment was short and he has a chance at a productive life.

I am completely on board with redemption. My company has served prison populations in forensic hospitals, and I've seen recidivism charts in administrative buildings.

It's up to rysheed as to whether jail will have a revolving door for him. I hope he makes it.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401877]Hey guys, we get a 4* yet?[/quote]

I think it's more important to take a look at the list of all the guys rated 4*, and then determine if every single one of them had a better season than Champagnie. And then do the same after this season with Posh.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=401881][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401877]Hey guys, we get a 4* yet?[/quote]

I think it's more important to take a look at the list of all the guys rated 4*, and then determine if every single one of them had a better season than Champagnie. And then do the same after this season with Posh.[/quote]

Agree completely LJSA and equally or more important is to have a balanced roster and recruit players at the positions you need , not to overstock a position and create disent and then have players leave at seasons end. If we did not recruit a single player this year we would have a nice returning group with too many seniors. In 2 quick classes CMA has done a great job of balancing the roster in order that he will not need to start from scratch in fall of 2022 after the mass scheduled departure of Moore, Cole, Caraher, Williams, Earlington and Roberts ( I hope I did not miss anyone ). I honestly can’t remember back when we last had such a balanced roster.
I like the Pinson and Draore signings very much , as they add depth to the positions we need going forward and have a year to acclimate themselves to the system before getting serious minutes.
Do I love the Stanley signing , no I do not as I would hope we can get better. But if he is the best big we could get at this point in time I accept it because unless we could get a 5 star big man who would deserve minutes from day one not too many bigs could come in from day one and take away minutes from Roberts, Moore and Earlington who will all be seniors next year. perhaps the staff will be able to grab another grad transfer at the end of the season as they did with Toro. Stanley by all accounts has a great body and work ethic and will be a good understudy for a year or two prior to requiring solid minutes. I can certainly live with with that and understand and respect CMA’s recruiting strategy.
That is what the great programs do, just at times with higher rated recruits , but we are following the right footprint.
 
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[quote="L J S A" post=401881][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401877]Hey guys, we get a 4* yet?[/quote]

I think it's more important to take a look at the list of all the guys rated 4*, and then determine if every single one of them had a better season than Champagnie. And then do the same after this season with Posh.[/quote]

Just honestly comes off as conveniently moving goal post IMO. You're not totally wrong, but it does move the goalpost. Well, we can't get a 4 star kid...but hey, this 3 star overperformed so he's really a 4 star. That's going to come off as embarrassing to opposing fanbases who will no doubt point that out. The kids you land are part of your reputation as a program. To me it comes off as, "if you had fun, you won!". That's not a winning mindset. Maybe at 5 years old, but not as a storied major conference basketball team in NYC on national TV. If CMA can prove that he can win consistently and have us relevant making tourneys regularly with poor recruiting, then all the power to him and I will donate towards a statue. Ric Flair would never buy a shirt at GAP and say, "well, it's about the same quality as Gucci anyway so same thing". Only half joking there...but recruiting plays a big role in your program's perception and other recruits' views of you. It also plays a big role in selling tickets. We had record attendance under Mullin...obviously Mullin was part of that with star power, but we had Heron, Clark, Simon, Ponds all major recruits that were big name guys and pundits talked us up.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401887][quote="L J S A" post=401881][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401877]Hey guys, we get a 4* yet?[/quote]

I think it's more important to take a look at the list of all the guys rated 4*, and then determine if every single one of them had a better season than Champagnie. And then do the same after this season with Posh.[/quote]

Just honestly comes off as conveniently moving goal post IMO. You're not totally wrong, but it does move the goalpost. Well, we can't get a 4 star kid...but hey, this 3 star overperformed so he's really a 4 star. That's going to come off as embarrassing to opposing fanbases who will no doubt point that out. The kids you land are part of your reputation as a program. To me it comes off as, "if you had fun, you won!". That's not a winning mindset. Maybe at 5 years old, but not as a storied major conference basketball team in NYC on national TV. If CMA can prove that he can win consistently and have us relevant making tourneys regularly with poor recruiting, then all the power to him and I will donate towards a statue. Ric Flair would never buy a shirt at GAP and say, "well, it's about the same quality as Gucci anyway so same thing". Only half joking there...but recruiting plays a big role in your program's perception and other recruits' views of you. It also plays a big role in selling tickets. We had record attendance under Mullin...obviously Mullin was part of that with star power, but we had Heron, Clark, Simon, Ponds all major recruits that were big name guys and pundits talked us up.[/quote] Most of the guys you mention were transfers so no credit for getting an AA in Cole?
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401887] and pundits talked us up.[/quote]

You know when pundits talk you up? When you win games. Nobody goes down the roster of the winning team and says "3-star player." They say "he played a great game and his team won."
 
Then there are also coaches who know what they are watching and don't need a rating system to tell them that a kid can play, can also make an assessment that a kid can play in their system, and decide if the kid will be a solid citizen or not.

I'm somewhat confident that CMA just hasn't rushed to grab bodies to fill the roster, but has found guys that may be overlooked that can play in their system.

When Jay W. arrived at Hofstra, he didn't know anyone in the area. He became friends with a local Catholic HS coach, who told Jay he had a 6th man that no one had recruited, but a kid who will go through a wall for a coach. HE also said that if he took the kid, Jay would thank him afterwards. Jay's very first scholarship player at Hofstra was that kid, and he performed really well at Hofstra. This kid wasn't even a 1*, yet he made an impact at D1.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401887][quote="L J S A" post=401881][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401877]Hey guys, we get a 4* yet?[/quote]

I think it's more important to take a look at the list of all the guys rated 4*, and then determine if every single one of them had a better season than Champagnie. And then do the same after this season with Posh.[/quote]

Just honestly comes off as conveniently moving goal post IMO. You're not totally wrong, but it does move the goalpost. Well, we can't get a 4 star kid...but hey, this 3 star overperformed so he's really a 4 star. That's going to come off as embarrassing to opposing fanbases who will no doubt point that out. The kids you land are part of your reputation as a program. To me it comes off as, "if you had fun, you won!". That's not a winning mindset. Maybe at 5 years old, but not as a storied major conference basketball team in NYC on national TV. If CMA can prove that he can win consistently and have us relevant making tourneys regularly with poor recruiting, then all the power to him and I will donate towards a statue. Ric Flair would never buy a shirt at GAP and say, "well, it's about the same quality as Gucci anyway so same thing". Only half joking there...but recruiting plays a big role in your program's perception and other recruits' views of you. It also plays a big role in selling tickets. We had record attendance under Mullin...obviously Mullin was part of that with star power, but we had Heron, Clark, Simon, Ponds all major recruits that were big name guys and pundits talked us up.[/quote]

Ok fine, we won't take any credit for 3 stars performing like 4 stars What if we get 4 stars who perform like 3 stars? Will that be acceptable just because it looked good for our recruiting numbers?
 
M A passes my test H seems more focused on a players future then on past performance as reflected in the rankings
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=401890][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401887] and pundits talked us up.[/quote]

You know when pundits talk you up? When you win games. Nobody goes down the roster of the winning team and says "3-star player." They say "he played a great game and his team won."[/quote]

thanks, that is the bottomline at the end of day, everything else is noise.
 
You make headlines winning for sure...but you also make headlines getting top kids. Lavin and Mullin made plenty of headlines and that's part of what led to the excitement and thus good ticket sales. Attendance was down last year pretty substantially I believe. Bryce Harper, David Wright, Derek Jeter, etc. those are the guys who will get fans into seats. Not a guy below the radar that nobody knows. Hype helps programs regardless of how they pan out.
 
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[quote="lawmanfan" post=401890][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401887] and pundits talked us up.[/quote]

You know when pundits talk you up? When you win games. Nobody goes down the roster of the winning team and says "3-star player." They say "he played a great game and his team won."[/quote]


I'd rather have Champagnie or Earlington than Symir Torrence or KyKy Tandy who were both 4 star/Top 100 Big East recruits last season.

Also, Pinzon and Posh are both 4 star recruits according to ESPN. They're only high 3's according to 247 though. 247 is stingier giving out stars than ESPN. You basically need to be a Top 100 guy to be a 4star on 247. So it's not just a star-designation that people like Zaun are wanting (apologies for piling on here Zaun, it's only that your reply is most recent) It seems like the real desire is for guys who are CONSENSUS 4 star recruits. Those guys tend to be Top 100. So this "problem" does seem to be generated purely by observing the rankings.

As I said in an earlier post, I do think we'll need to get a guy like that every now and then and I think Anderson will deliver but it feels both unrealistic and unnecessary to make that the standard. Anderson has one season under his belt and so far he's gotten much more than we expected out of the Mullin leftovers and I don't think there's any recruits we'd point to as a "bust" yet. He's doing a great job with development and conditioning. It feels a little bit like a kid opening his Christmas presents and being disappointed by every present that isn't the hottest, most expensive new gaming system.
 
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Some good Points, Queens...his recruiting is my only concern because I don't see it being sustainable if we cannot recruit at a Big East level. But yes he had a good first year. None of us expected to beat WVU or Zona, two top 10 NET teams. Or to even be an NIT team. So those were good signs, but I just hope we pick it up a ton in conference play and with recruiting.
 
Panther and Beast, your combined take on Rysheed does not fully account for just how primitive our care skills are for people who have experienced repetitive trauma in childhood. I tend to agree with both of you but...
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401907]You make headlines winning for sure...but you also make headlines getting top kids. Lavin and Mullin made plenty of headlines and that's part of what led to the excitement and thus good ticket sales. Attendance was down last year pretty substantially I believe. Bryce Harper, David Wright, Derek Jeter, etc. those are the guys who will get fans into seats. Not a guy below the radar that nobody knows. Hype helps programs regardless of how they pan out.[/quote]

You know what else makes headlines?

-4 star recruit Marcus Lovett bailing on St. John's mid season
-4 star recruit Zach Brown getting arrested
-5 star recruit Rysheed Jordan choosing to show up only when he feels like it and then traveling home to Philly and bailing on the team
-4 star recruit Sid Wilson transferring before even playing a game
-4 star recruit Chris Opekpa choosing to smoke weed instead of playing in NCAA tourney game (this was a back page article)

Not sure how many other examples you need.

I remember Lavin putting fans in the seats his final year because we were winning. Undefeated before that joke loss to Seton Hall. Ponds was causing buzz, etc.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=401912]Panther and Beast, your combined take on Rysheed does not fully account for just how primitive our care skills are for people who have experienced repetitive trauma in childhood. I tend to agree with both of you but...[/quote]

College life is not designed to make up for all childhood deficiencies.
 
[quote="Knight" post=401916][quote="fuchsia" post=401912]Panther and Beast, your combined take on Rysheed does not fully account for just how primitive our care skills are for people who have experienced repetitive trauma in childhood. I tend to agree with both of you but...[/quote]

College life is not designed to make up for all childhood deficiencies.[/quote]

Maybe only at Gallaudet.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401887][quote="L J S A" post=401881][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401877]Hey guys, we get a 4* yet?[/quote]

I think it's more important to take a look at the list of all the guys rated 4*, and then determine if every single one of them had a better season than Champagnie. And then do the same after this season with Posh.[/quote]

Just honestly comes off as conveniently moving goal post IMO. You're not totally wrong, but it does move the goalpost. Well, we can't get a 4 star kid...but hey, this 3 star overperformed so he's really a 4 star. That's going to come off as embarrassing to opposing fanbases who will no doubt point that out. The kids you land are part of your reputation as a program. To me it comes off as, "if you had fun, you won!". That's not a winning mindset. Maybe at 5 years old, but not as a storied major conference basketball team in NYC on national TV.[size=Big][size=] If CMA can prove that he can win consistently and have us relevant making tourneys regularly with poor recruiting,[/size][/size] then all the power to him and I will donate towards a statue. Ric Flair would never buy a shirt at GAP and say, "well, it's about the same quality as Gucci anyway so same thing". Only half joking there...but recruiting plays a big role in your program's perception and other recruits' views of you. It also plays a big role in selling tickets. We had record attendance under Mullin...obviously Mullin was part of that with star power, but we had Heron, Clark, Simon, Ponds all major recruits that were big name guys and pundits talked us up.[/quote]

How would his recruiting be considered "poor," if we're winning?
 
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