Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

[quote="NCJohnnie" post=403682]Very clear to me that Cole is going to be the kind of impact JC recruit Hardy, Brownlee and Bootsy were. Great to see and frankly not unexpected.[/quote]

Would replace Brownlee, who was a good player, with Hatten, who was a great player.
 
I think cole will definitely be a good player for us but the only thing that does scare me about him in big east play is his lack of athleticism and quickness. I think he will work well with posh penetrating and him spotting up. He does seem to also have a quick handle and can sometimes create space to get his shot off as well. He will also be a good weapon against teams that zone us. Just think he lacks in quickness that other guards and forwards down the big east.

I also love posh. Has great instincts and plays so hard on both ends of the floor. But can we please stop with the we may have the best pg since Erick Barkley! Its just a ridiculous thing to compare a freshman after 2 games against 2 mid major teams.
 
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[quote="TheArtest15" post=403697]I think cole will definitely be a good player for us but the only thing that does scare me about him in big east play is his lack of athleticism and quickness. I think he will work well with posh penetrating and him spotting up. He does seem to also have a quick handle and can sometimes create space to get his shot off as well. He will also be a good weapon against teams that zone us. Just think he lacks in quickness that other guards and forwards down the big east.

I also love posh. Has great instincts and plays so hard on both ends of the floor. But can we please stop with the we may have the best pg since Erick Barkley! Its just a ridiculous thing to compare a freshman after 2 games against 2 mid major teams.[/quote]

I'm not one who compared him to EB, but I don't think it's a reach to call him potentially the best pure PG since EB. That's not saying he's as good as EB, but honestly, how many pure PGs have we had here since Erick Barkley? Cook and Boothe? Not even sure I would call Cook a pure PG. He was more of a score-first PG. And I don't remember his D being all that good, or his effort being anywhere near Posh's. Still, as you say, it's way too early to pass any judgement on Posh or any of the newcomers, but he's certainly shown some promise through 2 games.
 
[quote="TheArtest15" post=403697]I think cole will definitely be a good player for us but the only thing that does scare me about him in big east play is his lack of athleticism and quickness. I think he will work well with posh penetrating and him spotting up. He does seem to also have a quick handle and can sometimes create space to get his shot off as well. He will also be a good weapon against teams that zone us. Just think he lacks in quickness that other guards and forwards down the big east.

I also love posh. Has great instincts and plays so hard on both ends of the floor. But can we please stop with the we may have the best pg since Erick Barkley! Its just a ridiculous thing to compare a freshman after 2 games against 2 mid major teams.[/quote]

Again, I'm not putting Ponds, Hardy, Hatten into this conversation because they weren't PGs. I'm talking about Boothe, Lawrence etc. Those guys were more traditional points that ran a team but mainly were pass first guys who set the table. Posh is more in that mold from early returns. I know he scored a lot at OSL and we will need the offense but more importantly he has impressed me with his winning mentality and unselfishness. Those are some rare qualities nowadays.

My critique of Anderson would be we need some more talent offensively. Shooters and scorers needed. Cuffe?
 
[quote="Monte" post=403698][quote="TheArtest15" post=403697]I think cole will definitely be a good player for us but the only thing that does scare me about him in big east play is his lack of athleticism and quickness. I think he will work well with posh penetrating and him spotting up. He does seem to also have a quick handle and can sometimes create space to get his shot off as well. He will also be a good weapon against teams that zone us. Just think he lacks in quickness that other guards and forwards down the big east.

I also love posh. Has great instincts and plays so hard on both ends of the floor. But can we please stop with the we may have the best pg since Erick Barkley! Its just a ridiculous thing to compare a freshman after 2 games against 2 mid major teams.[/quote]

I'm not one who compared him to EB, but I don't think it's a reach to call him potentially the best pure PG since EB. That's not saying he's as good as EB, but honestly, how many pure PGs have we had here since Erick Barkley? Cook and Boothe? Not even sure I would call Cook a pure PG. He was more of a score-first PG. And I don't remember his D being all that good, or his effort being anywhere near Posh's. Still, as you say, it's way too early to pass any judgement on Posh or any of the newcomers, but he's certainly shown some promise through 2 games.[/quote]

Just a reminder that as a freshmen against Fordham with Lovett out, shamorie started at the point and had 26 points snd 9 assists on 9-13 shooting.

Not directed at you Monte. People get way to high off early positives and don’t want to see the potential warts. Posh hasn’t even hit a jumpsuit as a college player yet.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=403700][quote="Monte" post=403698][quote="TheArtest15" post=403697]I think cole will definitely be a good player for us but the only thing that does scare me about him in big east play is his lack of athleticism and quickness. I think he will work well with posh penetrating and him spotting up. He does seem to also have a quick handle and can sometimes create space to get his shot off as well. He will also be a good weapon against teams that zone us. Just think he lacks in quickness that other guards and forwards down the big east.

I also love posh. Has great instincts and plays so hard on both ends of the floor. But can we please stop with the we may have the best pg since Erick Barkley! Its just a ridiculous thing to compare a freshman after 2 games against 2 mid major teams.[/quote]

I'm not one who compared him to EB, but I don't think it's a reach to call him potentially the best pure PG since EB. That's not saying he's as good as EB, but honestly, how many pure PGs have we had here since Erick Barkley? Cook and Boothe? Not even sure I would call Cook a pure PG. He was more of a score-first PG. And I don't remember his D being all that good, or his effort being anywhere near Posh's. Still, as you say, it's way too early to pass any judgement on Posh or any of the newcomers, but he's certainly shown some promise through 2 games.[/quote]

Just a reminder that as a freshmen against Fordham with Lovett out, shamorie started at the point and had 26 points snd 9 assists on 9-13 shooting.

Not directed at you Monte. People get way to high off early positives and don’t want to see the potential warts. Posh hasn’t even hit a jumpsuit as a college player yet.[/quote]

Good point on a jumpshot. Posh isn't looking for it, which concerns me because defenses will lay off him.
 
[quote="Monte" post=403698][quote="TheArtest15" post=403697]I think cole will definitely be a good player for us but the only thing that does scare me about him in big east play is his lack of athleticism and quickness. I think he will work well with posh penetrating and him spotting up. He does seem to also have a quick handle and can sometimes create space to get his shot off as well. He will also be a good weapon against teams that zone us. Just think he lacks in quickness that other guards and forwards down the big east.

I also love posh. Has great instincts and plays so hard on both ends of the floor. But can we please stop with the we may have the best pg since Erick Barkley! Its just a ridiculous thing to compare a freshman after 2 games against 2 mid major teams.[/quote]

I'm not one who compared him to EB, but I don't think it's a reach to call him potentially the best pure PG since EB. That's not saying he's as good as EB, but honestly, how many pure PGs have we had here since Erick Barkley? Cook and Boothe? Not even sure I would call Cook a pure PG. He was more of a score-first PG. And I don't remember his D being all that good, or his effort being anywhere near Posh's. Still, as you say, it's way too early to pass any judgement on Posh or any of the newcomers, but he's certainly shown some promise through 2 games.[/quote]

Omar cook averaged almost 9 assists a game.

But you are right we really haven't had a pure pg in a while but I wouldn't go crazy after 2 games vs mid majors.
 
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I really hope posh does develop a jump shot. Having him and Dunn in at the same time could be brutal and teams will just lag off of both of them and pack it in.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=403700][quote="Monte" post=403698][quote="TheArtest15" post=403697]I think cole will definitely be a good player for us but the only thing that does scare me about him in big east play is his lack of athleticism and quickness. I think he will work well with posh penetrating and him spotting up. He does seem to also have a quick handle and can sometimes create space to get his shot off as well. He will also be a good weapon against teams that zone us. Just think he lacks in quickness that other guards and forwards down the big east.

I also love posh. Has great instincts and plays so hard on both ends of the floor. But can we please stop with the we may have the best pg since Erick Barkley! Its just a ridiculous thing to compare a freshman after 2 games against 2 mid major teams.[/quote]

I'm not one who compared him to EB, but I don't think it's a reach to call him potentially the best pure PG since EB. That's not saying he's as good as EB, but honestly, how many pure PGs have we had here since Erick Barkley? Cook and Boothe? Not even sure I would call Cook a pure PG. He was more of a score-first PG. And I don't remember his D being all that good, or his effort being anywhere near Posh's. Still, as you say, it's way too early to pass any judgement on Posh or any of the newcomers, but he's certainly shown some promise through 2 games.[/quote]

Just a reminder that as a freshmen against Fordham with Lovett out, shamorie started at the point and had 26 points snd 9 assists on 9-13 shooting.

Not directed at you Monte. People get way to high off early positives and don’t want to see the potential warts. Posh hasn’t even hit a jumpsuit as a college player yet.[/quote]

I agree completely that fans(of all programs) get way too high on kids way too soon. Hard to argue with Cook's stats, especially his APG.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=403705][quote="Amaseinyourface" post=403700][quote="Monte" post=403698][quote="TheArtest15" post=403697]I think cole will definitely be a good player for us but the only thing that does scare me about him in big east play is his lack of athleticism and quickness. I think he will work well with posh penetrating and him spotting up. He does seem to also have a quick handle and can sometimes create space to get his shot off as well. He will also be a good weapon against teams that zone us. Just think he lacks in quickness that other guards and forwards down the big east.

I also love posh. Has great instincts and plays so hard on both ends of the floor. But can we please stop with the we may have the best pg since Erick Barkley! Its just a ridiculous thing to compare a freshman after 2 games against 2 mid major teams.[/quote]

I'm not one who compared him to EB, but I don't think it's a reach to call him potentially the best pure PG since EB. That's not saying he's as good as EB, but honestly, how many pure PGs have we had here since Erick Barkley? Cook and Boothe? Not even sure I would call Cook a pure PG. He was more of a score-first PG. And I don't remember his D being all that good, or his effort being anywhere near Posh's. Still, as you say, it's way too early to pass any judgement on Posh or any of the newcomers, but he's certainly shown some promise through 2 games.[/quote]

Just a reminder that as a freshmen against Fordham with Lovett out, shamorie started at the point and had 26 points snd 9 assists on 9-13 shooting.

Not directed at you Monte. People get way to high off early positives and don’t want to see the potential warts. Posh hasn’t even hit a jumpsuit as a college player yet.[/quote]

I agree completely that fans(of all programs) get way too high on kids way too soon. Just to clarify, I was talking about "pure" PGs. I never considered Ponds, Hatten, Hardy and Greene to be "pure" PGs like Posh.[/quote]

Ponds wasn’t a pure pg and that’s fine, my point was if you saw that game of his as a freshmen you would think he was. Posh does a lot of things that aren’t necessarily “pure pg” stuff too. Like leak out for fast breaks. My guess is though that you’re right and Posh does fit the pure pg mold more than the guys you mentioned. Regardless I love what I’ve seen so far.
 
Cole: Good form, already looks like he will be a legit shooter. Think he excels most catching and shooting. Small sample size and maybe he gets better, but being honest he looks a bit stiff and awkward going to the hole with it. That's not to say he can't make occasional drives successfully...he can. Just don't think it will be successful against real competition. Him and Moore have already been getting the ball knocked away consistently down low or blocked by much smaller players. Got to work on the hands and going up strong.

Moore: Freakish length with his wingspan. Excels in open court especially fast breaks. Can alter or block shots on defense. Great FT shooting for a guy of his length and height. Same concern as Cole though...can he get better hands and go up strong down low without losing ball or having it knocked away?

Posh: Tough player who can finish in traffic and doesn't mind getting physical. Good motor and he will make you pay if you take your eyes off him for a second on offense or defense. Seems like a PG we rarely get which is refreshing. Only concern is height right now since a handful of times I've seen him get blocked or had to alter his shot awkwardly to try to get around much bigger competition. He will get better at this.

Those are my honest takes. Not going to pump anyone up and also not going to tear anyone down. That's what I saw first 2 games.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=403720]Cole: Good form, already looks like he will be a legit shooter. Think he excels most catching and shooting. Small sample size and maybe he gets better, but being honest he looks a bit stiff and awkward going to the hole with it. That's not to say he can't make occasional drives successfully...he can. Just don't think it will be successful against real competition. Him and Moore have already been getting the ball knocked away consistently down low or blocked by much smaller players. Got to work on the hands and going up strong.

Moore: Freakish length with his wingspan. Excels in open court especially fast breaks. Can alter or block shots on defense. Great FT shooting for a guy of his length and height. Same concern as Cole though...can he get better hands and go up strong down low without losing ball or having it knocked away?

Posh: Tough player who can finish in traffic and doesn't mind getting physical. Good motor and he will make you pay if you take your eyes off him for a second on offense or defense. Seems like a PG we rarely get which is refreshing. Only concern is height right now since a handful of times I've seen him get blocked or had to alter his shot awkwardly to try to get around much bigger competition. He will get better at this.

Those are my honest takes. Not going to pump anyone up and also not going to tear anyone down. That's what I saw first 2 games.[/quote]

Jucos tend to struggle stepping up a level from often helter skelter type game and must say the two you referenced acquitted themselves nicely thus far.

Freshmen often are like deer in headlights making this jump and Posh certainly fears little and may have his struggles in BE like most, but he is clearly a keeper, a kid with spunk and talented.

Kudos to all three for their initial adjustment to a new and challenging level of play.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=403720]Cole: Good form, already looks like he will be a legit shooter. Think he excels most catching and shooting. Small sample size and maybe he gets better, but being honest he looks a bit stiff and awkward going to the hole with it. That's not to say he can't make occasional drives successfully...he can. Just don't think it will be successful against real competition. Him and Moore have already been getting the ball knocked away consistently down low or blocked by much smaller players. Got to work on the hands and going up strong.

Moore: Freakish length with his wingspan. Excels in open court especially fast breaks. Can alter or block shots on defense. Great FT shooting for a guy of his length and height. Same concern as Cole though...can he get better hands and go up strong down low without losing ball or having it knocked away?

Posh: Tough player who can finish in traffic and doesn't mind getting physical. Good motor and he will make you pay if you take your eyes off him for a second on offense or defense. Seems like a PG we rarely get which is refreshing. Only concern is height right now since a handful of times I've seen him get blocked or had to alter his shot awkwardly to try to get around much bigger competition. He will get better at this.

Those are my honest takes. Not going to pump anyone up and also not going to tear anyone down. That's what I saw first 2 games.[/quote]

This seems fair. I think I'm a little higher on Cole than you and similarly cautiously optimistic about Moore.

I agree Cole seems to move a little slow but I think he has a really nature feel for the game and a shooter's touch. We needed this type of scorer. In addition to hitting open shots he does little things guys with a scorers mentality do like against St. Pete's when he pretended to relax for a moment to let a teammate whose screen he turned down move through and the second his defender also relaxed he jacked the 3 in his face. That's just a playground trick. I think the guy is just a scorer and that skill will transfer to the Big East. He also made some unselfish passes and he's automatic from the line.

Moore I like a lot as well but he plays a bit out of control at times. Their games are very different but sometimes he has a bit of that Bashir Ahmed energy. Where you know he's capable of very good things but when he gets the ball in the halfcourt he's often a bull (a skinny bull) in a china shop. Has to go up stronger especially when the competition gets stronger. All that being said he draws fouls, is a good free throw shooter, runs the floor extremely well and rebounds. Grateful to have him and I see his value just not sure he'll be this effective in conference. We'll see.

Posh I love almost everything about. He's too aggressive at times and it's leading to some unnecessary turnovers. There was a really bad sequence yesterday when McGriff got his pocket picked clean and Anderson pulled him. Then Posh came in and immediately lost the ball trying to dribble between two defenders. Those are growing pains from freshman PG's but he's going to figure that out and I've never seen a guard work harder. He enjoys playing defense and passing. He has more of an offensive game that he's showing but you can see him deferring. That's good though. I think opposing guards will hate playing him and opposing coaches will wish they had a guy like him. We're very lucky to have a good ball handler who can hit free throws at the end of a tight game now.

Wusu has been much better than I expected. I'm very excited to continue watching him. I may have underestimated him in the same way as Earlington. Early though. Have to see what happens to his playing time when Dunn and Champagnie come back and reclaim their minutes.

Toro has been a bit of a disappointment (so early not counting anyone out) Certainly an upgrade over Sears and Steere but was hoping he'd be a little more sharp from day 1 considering he's coming in as a grad transfer. He's missed a wide open layup in each game and yesterday he threw one crosscourt pass that was so lazy it would have got me pulled from 8th grade CYO.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=403720]Cole: Good form, already looks like he will be a legit shooter. Think he excels most catching and shooting. Small sample size and maybe he gets better, but being honest he looks a bit stiff and awkward going to the hole with it. That's not to say he can't make occasional drives successfully...he can. Just don't think it will be successful against real competition. Him and Moore have already been getting the ball knocked away consistently down low or blocked by much smaller players. Got to work on the hands and going up strong.

Moore: Freakish length with his wingspan. Excels in open court especially fast breaks. Can alter or block shots on defense. Great FT shooting for a guy of his length and height. Same concern as Cole though...can he get better hands and go up strong down low without losing ball or having it knocked away?

Posh: Tough player who can finish in traffic and doesn't mind getting physical. Good motor and he will make you pay if you take your eyes off him for a second on offense or defense. Seems like a PG we rarely get which is refreshing. Only concern is height right now since a handful of times I've seen him get blocked or had to alter his shot awkwardly to try to get around much bigger competition. He will get better at this.

Those are my honest takes. Not going to pump anyone up and also not going to tear anyone down. That's what I saw first 2 games.[/quote]

Fair assessment. I'm not a scout and don't pretend to be. But my initial reaction of Cole, despite the success he's had in 2 games, is I can see why he can be great for us in time but wasn't recruited by the blue bloods. He does seem a bit slow and mechanical when driving towards the hole, and his dribbling skills could also use some improvement. That said it's still very early and I'm confident CMA will be able to develop him to his potential.
 
I hope Wusu will evolve into another Sir Dom. More recruiting like Wusu and Duke and we’ll see cries for a return to football at SJU.
 
I was watching the Seton Hall/Louisville game yesterday when I realized that Aiden was not playing much, and when I checked, he played very little last year.

Two years ago, probably everyone on this board, myself included, would have taken Aiden over Julian. Now, no one on here would make that trade. If you go by results so far, Aidan's sophmore season won't even be as good as our much maligned Josh Roberts' sophmore season.

Please don't get me wrong, I would love to get 5* recruits, but understand that is not realistic for us at the present time. It may be necessary for us to build a program with 3* and 4* players for now. When we are successful, then we may attract the occasional 5*. If Julian continues to improve and Posh and Wusu develop. we will become attractive to highly rated local recruits.

I firmly believe that under the guidance of Mike Cragg and Coach Anderson, we can get back to being a consistent top 25 program. It also does not hurt that our incoming President is a basketball fan.
 
[quote="panther2" post=403864]I was watching the Seton Hall/Louisville game yesterday when I realized that Aiden was not playing much, and when I checked, he played very little last year.

Two years ago, probably everyone on this board, myself included, would have taken Aiden over Julian. Now, no one on here would make that trade. If you go by results so far, Aidan's sophmore season won't even be as good as our much maligned Josh Roberts' sophmore season.

Please don't get me wrong, I would love to get 5* recruits, but understand that is not realistic for us at the present time. It may be necessary for us to build a program with 3* and 4* players for now. When we are successful, then we may attract the occasional 5*. If Julian continues to improve and Posh and Wusu develop. we will become attractive to highly rated local recruits.

I firmly believe that under the guidance of Mike Cragg and Coach Anderson, we can get back to being a consistent top 25 program. It also does not hurt that our incoming President is a basketball fan.[/quote]

Panther please stop with your posts that are full of facts. There is no place for same on this board.
I am literally shocked that posters have not come to their senses and réalise it is very possible to win with 3 stars who are coached up and stay 4 years, play hard and buy into a system, mixed in with jc all Americans and solid grad transfers. I have no doubt that after another winning season or two , as you have pointed out, it will become easier to recruit the higher level high school players. You have the Warren Buffet approach to building a program.
 
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Think judo all Americans can more than handle the step up
With. Little time he will put up better #s than LJ and make better decisions on taking good shots
 
Bashir Ahmed was most recent high rated JUCO.

He put up 12 & 5 over two seasons. Good to very good player, as well as some things that drove fans crazy.

I expect we'll get similar - some things we love as well as areas they may struggle with. Especially year 1. On plus side, Moore & Cole both get an extra year due to the COVID eligibility change.

[URL]https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bashir-ahmed-1.html[/URL]
 
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Bashir Ahmed was most recent high rated JUCO.

He put up 12 & 5 over two seasons. Good to very good player, as well as some things that drove fans crazy.

I expect we'll get similar - some things we love as well as areas they may struggle with. Especially year 1. On plus side, Moore & Cole both get an extra year due to the COVID eligibility change.

RSNC, I expect Cole will be a better, more consistent player for us than Ahmed but only time will tell.
 
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