Mike Anderson - Recruiting, Coaching, Etc.

Curry was not a top recruit...but he's an NBA superstar now. Does not change the fact he was a nothing special recruit. You can win with lower ranked recruits, it's just very very rare and not really sustainable. Like I said, unless he's among the best developers in the game, I don't see it ending well if he doesn't get a significant bump recruiting. I hope he proves me wrong. And if he was one of the best developers in the game, don't you think he'd take a higher job? There's a reason Jay Wright (among the best developers and coaches in the game) would rather bring in 4-5 star kids than 200-300 kids. If he can coach them up easily, then why not? The reason is those recruits are often bigger, stronger, faster, better shooters, better potential.
 
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[quote="QueensBall" post=401909][quote="lawmanfan" post=401890][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401887] and pundits talked us up.[/quote]

You know when pundits talk you up? When you win games. Nobody goes down the roster of the winning team and says "3-star player." They say "he played a great game and his team won."[/quote]


I'd rather have Champagnie or Earlington than Symir Torrence or KyKy Tandy who were both 4 star/Top 100 Big East recruits last season.

Also, Pinzon and Posh are both 4 star recruits according to ESPN. They're only high 3's according to 247 though. 247 is stingier giving out stars than ESPN. You basically need to be a Top 100 guy to be a 4star on 247. So it's not just a star-designation that people like Zaun are wanting (apologies for piling on here Zaun, it's only that your reply is most recent) It seems like the real desire is for guys who are CONSENSUS 4 star recruits. Those guys tend to be Top 100. So this "problem" does seem to be generated purely by observing the rankings.

As I said in an earlier post, I do think we'll need to get a guy like that every now and then and I think Anderson will deliver but it feels both unrealistic and unnecessary to make that the standard. Anderson has one season under his belt and so far he's gotten much more than we expected out of the Mullin leftovers and I don't think there's any recruits we'd point to as a "bust" yet. He's doing a great job with development and conditioning. It feels a little bit like a kid opening his Christmas presents and being disappointed by every present that isn't the hottest, most expensive new gaming system.[/quote]

Agree with everything you said except KyKy Tandy. He's going to an excellent player for Xavier.
 
[quote="fuchsia" post=401912]Panther and Beast, your combined take on Rysheed does not fully account for just how primitive our care skills are for people who have experienced repetitive trauma in childhood. I tend to agree with both of you but...[/quote]

I've seen plenty of kids from good families go bad, and plenty of kids from horrific family situations turn out good. I'm not a mental health professional, but I've seen and leaned a lot growing up and over the years. Things that you don't learn in school. I'm sure we have a long way to go, but it's nearly impossible to save every kid from making horrible choices. At a certain point it comes down to personal responsibility and making good choices. I'm in Rysheed's corner 100%, and seems to have turned the corner on his way to a productive life. Praying for him.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=401907]You make headlines winning for sure...but you also make headlines getting top kids. Lavin and Mullin made plenty of headlines and that's part of what led to the excitement and thus good ticket sales. Attendance was down last year pretty substantially I believe. Bryce Harper, David Wright, Derek Jeter, etc. those are the guys who will get fans into seats. Not a guy below the radar that nobody knows. Hype helps programs regardless of how they pan out.[/quote]

We've gotten top 100 kids before and it NEVER led to sustained success. Your contention that landing a few of these kids will create momentum with elite recruits isn't just flawed, its demonstrably wrong. Just look at our last 30 years as proof.

There are 3 or 4 ways we can get the recruits you lust after.

1) Pay them (we can't, even if we wanted too)
2) Have amazing facilities, campus, and campus life (We don't, and never will)
3) Have one of the top tier coaches (can't afford them)
4) Build a program with a strong foundation, that improves until it can win at a high level consistently. (that's what CMA is here to do)
 
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[quote="SJUFAN2" post=401946][quote="Mike Zaun" post=401907]You make headlines winning for sure...but you also make headlines getting top kids. Lavin and Mullin made plenty of headlines and that's part of what led to the excitement and thus good ticket sales. Attendance was down last year pretty substantially I believe. Bryce Harper, David Wright, Derek Jeter, etc. those are the guys who will get fans into seats. Not a guy below the radar that nobody knows. Hype helps programs regardless of how they pan out.[/quote]

We've gotten top 100 kids before and it NEVER led to sustained success. Your contention that landing a few of these kids will create momentum with elite recruits isn't just flawed, its demonstrably wrong. Just look at our last 30 years as proof.

There are 3 or 4 ways we can get the recruits you lust after.

1) Pay them (we can't, even if we wanted too)
2) Have amazing facilities, campus, and campus life (We don't, and never will)
3) Have one of the top tier coaches (can't afford them)
4) Build a program with a strong foundation, that improves until it can win at a high level consistently. (that's what CMA is here to do)[/quote]

Very well put. Those factors are often times overlooked. In addition, didn't St John's used to be able to offer players a stipend which ended up being a valuable recruiting tool as well? I thought I read up until a certain point they were allowed to do that for some specified reason.
 
Let this season pass and see were we are and how we developed players
and it can’t be said
where is the evidence then it would be with recruiting and coaching but I think we are going to do much better than 9th and perhaps on the bubble
 
Here is where I see Coach right now with regards to the 4 main qualities of good coaching:
1)He gets kids to play hard for him. Very important.
2)His teams generally come prepared to play each game.
3)In game adjustments, not the greatest. But not bad.
4)Recruiting. This is an incomplete right now. Some good/solid finds but no signature recruits yet.
 
Here is where I see Coach right now with regards to the 4 main qualities of good coaching:
1)He gets kids to play hard for him. Very important.
2)His teams generally come prepared to play each game.
3)In game adjustments, not the greatest. But not bad.
4)Recruiting. This is an incomplete right now. Some good/solid finds but no signature recruits yet.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=403673]Here is where I see Coach right now with regards to the 4 main qualities of good coaching:
1)He gets kids to play hard for him. Very important.
2)His teams generally come prepared to play each game.
3)In game adjustments, not the greatest. But not bad.
4)Recruiting. This is an incomplete right now. Some good/solid finds but no signature recruits yet.[/quote] pretty spot on. The one thing I’d say is between the last 2 classes if by the end of this year we are around 6ish maybe 5ish in conference ( I’m not saying that’s where we will definitely be ) and Julian,Posh and Wusu and up being very high trajectory players plus Cole and Moore as Jucos I’m going to start feeling really confident in his recruiting and developing. Julian already better than what oriole were thinking Posh seems like the real deal and potentially really good and Wusu I thought was kind of a throw in recruit for Posh and I might end up being totally misguided on that. Maybe that’s the key to his success here recruit guys not stars who will be 4 year players and mix in high level jucos. Jury of course is out but I could see that being his key to success
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=403673]Here is where I see Coach right now with regards to the 4 main qualities of good coaching:
1)He gets kids to play hard for him. Very important.
2)His teams generally come prepared to play each game.
3)In game adjustments, not the greatest. But not bad.
4)Recruiting. This is an incomplete right now. Some good/solid finds but no signature recruits yet.[/quote]


Agreed, but think Posh and/or Cole(if you include JC kids) have the potential to develop in to signature recruits(in hindsight)
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=403675][quote="fordham96" post=403673]Here is where I see Coach right now with regards to the 4 main qualities of good coaching:
1)He gets kids to play hard for him. Very important.
2)His teams generally come prepared to play each game.
3)In game adjustments, not the greatest. But not bad.
4)Recruiting. This is an incomplete right now. Some good/solid finds but no signature recruits yet.[/quote] pretty spot on. The one thing I’d say is between the last 2 classes if by the end of this year we are around 6ish maybe 5ish in conference ( I’m not saying that’s where we will definitely be ) and Julian,Posh and Wusu and up being very high trajectory players plus Cole and Moore as Jucos I’m going to start feeling really confident in his recruiting and developing. Julian already better than what oriole were thinking Posh seems like the real deal and potentially really good and Wusu I thought was kind of a throw in recruit for Posh and I might end up being totally misguided on that. Maybe that’s the key to his success here recruit guys not stars who will be 4 year players and mix in high level jucos. Jury of course is out but I could see that being his key to success[/quote]

I have said this repeatedly specifically the those who claim that this team has "great depth." They are conflating scholarship players with depth. Not the same thing.

I think for year 3 the hope is to take the core-Champagnie, ALexander, Cole, Williams, Wusu, Moore and add a few more parts to form a really good team. I still think they need 1 or 2 more HIGH level recruits if SJU is to reach a level where they compete with the top of the conference on a consistent level. I am not going to get carried away with these 2 games in terms of saying SJU has impact frosh yet.
 
Don't think he can rely on JUCO's to succeed here. He will need actual top 100 type kids out of HS IMO. JUCO's help but are only here 2 yrs.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=403678]Don't think he can rely on JUCO's to succeed here. He will need actual top 100 type kids out of HS IMO. JUCO's help but are only here 2 yrs.[/quote] whereas 5 stars don’t stay 4 years or want to.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=403677][quote="mjmaherjr" post=403675][quote="fordham96" post=403673]Here is where I see Coach right now with regards to the 4 main qualities of good coaching:
1)He gets kids to play hard for him. Very important.
2)His teams generally come prepared to play each game.
3)In game adjustments, not the greatest. But not bad.
4)Recruiting. This is an incomplete right now. Some good/solid finds but no signature recruits yet.[/quote] pretty spot on. The one thing I’d say is between the last 2 classes if by the end of this year we are around 6ish maybe 5ish in conference ( I’m not saying that’s where we will definitely be ) and Julian,Posh and Wusu and up being very high trajectory players plus Cole and Moore as Jucos I’m going to start feeling really confident in his recruiting and developing. Julian already better than what oriole were thinking Posh seems like the real deal and potentially really good and Wusu I thought was kind of a throw in recruit for Posh and I might end up being totally misguided on that. Maybe that’s the key to his success here recruit guys not stars who will be 4 year players and mix in high level jucos. Jury of course is out but I could see that being his key to success[/quote]

I have said this repeatedly specifically the those who claim that this team has "great depth." They are conflating scholarship players with depth. Not the same thing.

I think for year 3 the hope is to take the core-Champagnie, ALexander, Cole, Williams, Wusu, Moore and add a few more parts to form a really good team. I still think they need 1 or 2 more HIGH level recruits if SJU is to reach a level where they compete with the top of the conference on a consistent level. I am not going to get carried away with these 2 games in terms of saying SJU has impact frosh yet.[/quote]

What would you consider to be good depth? Humor me with a legitimate answer. Because we played ten guys in the first half tonight with two starters sitting out. I bet Mike Anderson thinks we have good depth.
 
Very clear to me that Cole is going to be the kind of impact JC recruit Hardy, Brownlee and Bootsy were. Great to see and frankly not unexpected.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=403680][quote="Mike Zaun" post=403678]Don't think he can rely on JUCO's to succeed here. He will need actual top 100 type kids out of HS IMO. JUCO's help but are only here 2 yrs.[/quote] whereas 5 stars don’t stay 4 years or want to.[/quote]

4 star
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=403684][quote="mjmaherjr" post=403680][quote="Mike Zaun" post=403678]Don't think he can rely on JUCO's to succeed here. He will need actual top 100 type kids out of HS IMO. JUCO's help but are only here 2 yrs.[/quote] whereas 5 stars don’t stay 4 years or want to.[/quote]

4 star[/quote] I’d like 4 stars too but if Cole and Moore produce similar at big east play that’s better than a 4 star freshman and potentially sophomore also. Don’t want a full team of them but if we land 1 to 2 every year of this quality that could be a winning recipe
 
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