Mike Anderson Is A Program Builder

Some you will not give Mike Anderson the same amount of time to build anything here since you never wanted him to begin. In this second season, if there is a second season, I'm not sure he will be given a fair evaluation even given the recruiting handicap due to the virus.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=393271]Tucker 5* transfer under Holtmann but yes pretty similar under Jordan. The difference is that Butler gets real bigs and that's a huge need of ours.[/quote]

Being a 5* ceases to be important if you do nothing at your first destination, transfer, don't do much at your second destination, and then declare for the draft when you have no shot whatsoever at making NBA. I don't think there is anyone on our roster who I'd trade for Tucker. The star ratings are pretty to look at, but you have to back it up.
 
I think some posters here need to calm down and relax. We have a coach who knows what he is doing. He knows the types of players he wants, and he plays a style that maximizes the abilities of those players. And he has proven to be a better evaluator of talent than the people compiling the recruiting ranking that we all obsess over.

Guys, we have a real head coach. He wants to be here, he has an excellent staff, he works crazy hard, and he knows how to coach. Let the man do his job.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=393282][quote="Mike Zaun" post=393271]Tucker 5* transfer under Holtmann but yes pretty similar under Jordan. The difference is that Butler gets real bigs and that's a huge need of ours.[/quote]

Being a 5* ceases to be important if you do nothing at your first destination, transfer, don't do much at your second destination, and then declare for the draft when you have no shot whatsoever at making NBA. I don't think there is anyone on our roster who I'd trade for Tucker. The star ratings are pretty to look at, but you have to back it up.[/quote]

Butler’s incoming class is the best in school history and top 20 nationally. If we could recruit as well as Butler, I’d be happy.
 
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=393314][quote="L J S A" post=393282][quote="Mike Zaun" post=393271]Tucker 5* transfer under Holtmann but yes pretty similar under Jordan. The difference is that Butler gets real bigs and that's a huge need of ours.[/quote]

Being a 5* ceases to be important if you do nothing at your first destination, transfer, don't do much at your second destination, and then declare for the draft when you have no shot whatsoever at making NBA. I don't think there is anyone on our roster who I'd trade for Tucker. The star ratings are pretty to look at, but you have to back it up.[/quote]

Butler’s incoming class is the best in school history and top 20 nationally. If we could recruit as well as Butler, I’d be happy.[/quote]

That’s not true unless 247 is off base though. Their 2020 class is made up of five 3-stars and a transfer who was a 3 star. It’s ranked 42nd nationally and 6th in the Big East. And it would be lower if it wasn’t for the size of the class. I have no problem with that quality of class if they’re developed well and are the right fit for that program. My only point is that programs in the Big East aren’t crushing in recruiting the way some imply they are.

https://247sports.com/college/butler/Season/2020-Basketball/Commits/
 
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[quote="QueensBall" post=393315][quote="Boo Harvey" post=393314][quote="L J S A" post=393282][quote="Mike Zaun" post=393271]Tucker 5* transfer under Holtmann but yes pretty similar under Jordan. The difference is that Butler gets real bigs and that's a huge need of ours.[/quote]

Being a 5* ceases to be important if you do nothing at your first destination, transfer, don't do much at your second destination, and then declare for the draft when you have no shot whatsoever at making NBA. I don't think there is anyone on our roster who I'd trade for Tucker. The star ratings are pretty to look at, but you have to back it up.[/quote]

Butler’s incoming class is the best in school history and top 20 nationally. If we could recruit as well as Butler, I’d be happy.[/quote]

That’s not true unless 247 is off base though. Their 2020 class is made up of five 3-stars and a transfer who was a 3 star. It’s ranked 42nd nationally and 6th in the Big East. [/quote]

We can manage that.
 
Takes a long time to turn a ship. I’m confident that CMA will get it done.
 
It's just not true that other Big East programs have the same struggle to recruit except maybe Butler...possibly PC. But I know for a fact that almost all Big East teams have gotten at least one 4 star kid in the last few cycles including DePaul. We are in tny minority.
 
How about Seton Hall? Willard's last 4-stars out of high school were Myles Cale from 3 classes ago and Powell from 4 classes ago. Those guys were good recruits but they were way below Ponds or Heron who were both in Powell's class. What does that tell you? No 4 stars from high school in the last 3 cycles though.

You mention DePaul but Weems is the only 4-star recruit they've gotten in years. Can anyone even name the last one before him? And who would you rather have right now, Weems or Champagnie who wasn't even rated by any of the sites? Paul Reed was unranked and he's going to be a 1st round pick now. 2021 is the big class you're talking about I think. They've got a couple great guys locked up already. Given his history though, I have no faith Leitao will know what to do with them.

Just to be clear I'm not saying we've burned up the recruiting trail since Ponds but Mike Anderson hasn't been here for "the last few cycles" In the single year he's been here, he has not been lagging miles behind the rest of the conference like you're implying. It's just not true. I might be inclined to agree with you in a season or two if we're not recruiting decently and also not winning but come on.

Butler wins without highly-rated guys. DePaul loses without highly-rated guys.
Nova wins with highly-rated classes and Marquette underperforms with very good classes.

A few major conference teams recruit at a very high level and a few recruit at a very low level (hopefully that won't be us) For all the teams in between, nothing matters more than coaching and player development.

Edited to add...Sorry Jack, bear with me for this last post and then it'll be off my chest.
 
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[quote="Knight" post=393345]Takes a long time to turn a ship. I’m confident that CMA will get it done.[/quote]

Thanks Knight and your post statement is worth repeating.
It seems some posters with a love of critique and anticipating the worst would find cause to complain when SJU is back in the top 20. And when we advance in the NCAAs, they will explain why Mike Anderson should have taken us further.
The essential variable is called time. Our head coach had not had sufficient time - that is so clear.
He inherited a poor program - more poor than not for decades - that is DECADES.
He has already moved it into a positive direction - in a mere 14 + months.

Mike Krzyzewsk at Duke
1980-81 17-13
1981-82 10-17
1982-83 11-17
1983-84 24-10

P.J.Carlesimo at Seton Hall
1982-83 6-23
1983-84 9-19
1984-85 10-18
1985-86 14-18
1986-87 15-14

Chairmen of the Board once sang -
Give me just a little more time.
Let's "get real" with this early and already chronic negative critique of Coach Anderson - who we are fortunate to have leading our program with an equally capable AD Mike Cragg.
all the best
Ulysses Grant :)
 
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I really don’t understand the guys questioning coach Anderson and staff recruiting wise BEFORE our 2021 recruiting class is even put together. Just wait for it to form. And then talk about it good or bad. Sheesh
 
Well, true but we are in a quarantine...most of us at least working from home. So we have more time on our hands. I don't get how recruiting isn't fair game when discussing a coach. Sure it's not over and if we can at least get Riley or Cuffe then many of us will be excited. But it seems we are the below average looking guy at the bar right now hitting on girls and getting denied over and over. Maybe this is how they do it...maybe they get the unsung guys and hit every single time on them. But I have my doubts if you think most of the 2-3 star kids are going to be as good or better than the 4-5's of Nova, UConn, etc. If you want to compete for Big East championships you will need some big time players eventually. Get at least Riley or Cuffe though and I'll be satisfied. Get both and I'd be shocked since it will likely never happen. But I'd be thrilled.
 
Truth be told, TJ Cleveland mentioned the rankings and fans perception which means they know we are talking about it and imo it’s a good thing. They know fans expectations and what fans are looking at with respect to the program. It’s not a knock on them at all. Fans I’m sure they were a ton worse at Arkansas. Nothing wrong with the fans being fans. I like the fact hat our staff develops players. The more diamonds they can create the better but talent is talent and we need some better talent to reach the pinnacle we’d like to get to.
 
Those 2-3 stars recruits got CMA fired here in Arkansas. He would always be on Top 100 players but time signing day they committed to other schools. We end up with players rank 300s hundred. CMA would coach thèm up to 22 wins season but in NCAA tornament against more talented team we would lose. We lose North Carolina twice during his tenure in tornament. Arkansas fans wanted sweet 16s and élite 8s. CMA never had losing season bécause his players give 100 percent effort on court. It's hard beating more talented blue bloods on effort along. In closing dont expect many 4 or 5 stars recruits at St Johns. They dont want play in system that défense first and offense second.
 
[quote="Truck" post=393387]Those 2-3 stars recruits got CMA fired here in Arkansas. He would always be on Top 100 players but time signing day they committed to other schools. We end up with players rank 300s hundred. CMA would coach thèm up to 22 wins season but in NCAA tornament against more talented team we would lose. We lose North Carolina twice during his tenure in tornament. Arkansas fans wanted sweet 16s and élite 8s. CMA never had losing season bécause his players give 100 percent effort on court. It's hard beating more talented blue bloods on effort along. In closing dont expect many 4 or 5 stars recruits at St Johns. They dont want play in system that défense first and offense second.[/quote]

I would sign up for 22 wins on a consistent basis and second round losses to UNC. Of course it’s much easier to recruit at Arkansas that SJU.
 
[quote="Truck" post=393387]Those 2-3 stars recruits got CMA fired here in Arkansas. He would always be on Top 100 players but time signing day they committed to other schools. We end up with players rank 300s hundred. CMA would coach thèm up to 22 wins season but in NCAA tornament against more talented team we would lose. We lose North Carolina twice during his tenure in tornament. Arkansas fans wanted sweet 16s and élite 8s. CMA never had losing season bécause his players give 100 percent effort on court. It's hard beating more talented blue bloods on effort along. In closing dont expect many 4 or 5 stars recruits at St Johns. They dont want play in system that défense first and offense second.[/quote]

Is it like at West Virginia? They are always in the tournament but never win it because that style of play doesnt work against the top teams. Pressure defense isnt going ot rattle duke, michigan state etc?
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=393443][quote="Truck" post=393387]Those 2-3 stars recruits got CMA fired here in Arkansas. He would always be on Top 100 players but time signing day they committed to other schools. We end up with players rank 300s hundred. CMA would coach thèm up to 22 wins season but in NCAA tornament against more talented team we would lose. We lose North Carolina twice during his tenure in tornament. Arkansas fans wanted sweet 16s and élite 8s. CMA never had losing season bécause his players give 100 percent effort on court. It's hard beating more talented blue bloods on effort along. In closing dont expect many 4 or 5 stars recruits at St Johns. They dont want play in system that défense first and offense second.[/quote]

Is it like at West Virginia? They are always in the tournament but never win it because that style of play doesnt work against the top teams. Pressure defense isnt going ot rattle duke, michigan state etc?[/quote]

Pressure defense done right can and will absolutely rattle those teams. Huggins has almost 900 wins. I’m ok with that. The difference is that those other schools pay for talent and it is often the X-factor in the difference between those teams.
 
West Virginia has also been to three sweet sixteens in the last 5 postseasons and were going to the tournament this year as well.

Wouldn’t exactly turn my nose up at that as johnnie fan lol
 
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