Mike Anderson Is A Program Builder
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boo haarvey
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Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.
JohnnyFever
Active member
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.
JohnnyFever
Active member
If we can get 1 real big (eternal wish) and 1 stud 4 star scorer I will really be impressed. Imagine Anei and Cuffe Jr.? I would be pretty damn confident we could be NCAA bound with them added to the rest of the talent. Scoring by committee is nice sometimes but other times you need that dominant scorer like Howard, Powell, etc. By the way, that #1 kid going to MSU is from Michigan. It gets so tiring seeing every other area of the US keeping their best players home somewhat regularly while top NYC area kids jump at the opportunity to leave. If we just got 1 of these blue chip NYC area kids like Briscoe, Diallo, Bamba, Achiuwa, Cisse, etc. etc. to stay home it would potentially change the direction of the program. I'll go to my grave waiting for this day lol.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=391705]If we can get 1 real big (eternal wish) and 1 stud 4 star scorer I will really be impressed. Imagine Anei and Cuffe Jr.? I would be pretty damn confident we could be NCAA bound with them added to the rest of the talent. Scoring by committee is nice sometimes but other times you need that dominant scorer like Howard, Powell, etc. By the way, that #1 kid going to MSU is from Michigan. It gets so tiring seeing every other area of the US keeping their best players home somewhat regularly while top NYC area kids jump at the opportunity to leave. If we just got 1 of these blue chip NYC area kids like Briscoe, Diallo, Bamba, Achiuwa, Cisse, etc. etc. to stay home it would potentially change the direction of the program. I'll go to my grave waiting for this day lol.[/quote] These days, I don't see a kid who thinks he'll be one-and-done going anywhere else except to one of the blue bloods or big $ programs(IE Memphis, Oregon, Auburn, etc) They just have too much to offer that we can't complete with. Not to mention the fact that a lot of those kids, with a me-first mindset, won't fit well in CMA's team-first mindset,
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Mike Zaun wrote: We don't need all 4's though...get regular 3's and some stud JUCO's which is this staff's specialty going back to Arkansas...and then get 1 or 2 legit top 100 4 star guys to lead. I still think we will need 1 or 2 every so often if we are to really make noise.
Mike, I totally agree with your assessment above. Regularly getting JUCO studs, solid 3 stars with top 50-100 4 stars sprinkled in will bring us consistent first half BE finishes and tourney trips. I believe CMAs track record shows that is how he recruits and we will get our share of 4 stars. As Monte and others have pointed out it is doubtful that CMA's system will be attractive to 5 stars/one and done types and we don't need them to be successful.
Mike, I totally agree with your assessment above. Regularly getting JUCO studs, solid 3 stars with top 50-100 4 stars sprinkled in will bring us consistent first half BE finishes and tourney trips. I believe CMAs track record shows that is how he recruits and we will get our share of 4 stars. As Monte and others have pointed out it is doubtful that CMA's system will be attractive to 5 stars/one and done types and we don't need them to be successful.
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Another point is the lack of official visits or even unofficial due to covid. Everyone who has done online meetings know its not the same as in person. For established schools it doesn't matter kids seek them, for schools trying to gain traction in re-establishing a strong recruiting environment, in person energy is extremely important. I believe in Coach A and the staff. When they got the job a lot of schools were already working on this class where he was playing catch up on the last and did pretty well if you ask me. I feel this staff will start winning battles sooner than later. They work too hard
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Welcome to the dark side, meet your brothers Zaun and usguard.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Welcome to the dark side, meet your brothers Zaun and usguard.
[quote="L J S A" post=391721][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.[/quote]
You've spent a lot of money on hats over the years.[/quote]
Actually laughed out loud
You've spent a lot of money on hats over the years.[/quote]
Actually laughed out loud
Ottrando23
Member
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=391702][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.
boo haarvey
Active member
[quote="Paultzman" post=391723][quote="L J S A" post=391721][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.[/quote]
You've spent a lot of money on hats over the years.[/quote]
Actually laughed out loud[/quote]
I think I’m missing the joke. I assume it was at my expense.
You've spent a lot of money on hats over the years.[/quote]
Actually laughed out loud[/quote]
I think I’m missing the joke. I assume it was at my expense.
boo haarvey
Active member
[quote="JO23" post=391733][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391702][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=391736][quote="JO23" post=391733][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391702][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
I don’t think the jury is still out on Mike Anderson. He’s approaching 400 wins with no losing seasons. We are really just looking at our potential ceiling as opposed to constantly at the floor. That is absolutely progress...
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
I don’t think the jury is still out on Mike Anderson. He’s approaching 400 wins with no losing seasons. We are really just looking at our potential ceiling as opposed to constantly at the floor. That is absolutely progress...
How much evidence (see Gonzaga & Baylor as best examples) do you guys need that recruit rankings are not what matters, what matters is success? CMA has plenty of that. To stress about the 2021 class in July of 2020 is just nuts imho.
Whatever floats your boat, I give up at this point...
Whatever floats your boat, I give up at this point...
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=391736]
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success
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It's not blind trust then is it? and how can the jury be out on a guy who has never had a losing season? How about a blind curmudgeon is that a thing?
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success
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It's not blind trust then is it? and how can the jury be out on a guy who has never had a losing season? How about a blind curmudgeon is that a thing?
boo haarvey
Active member
[quote="MCNPA" post=391738][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391736][quote="JO23" post=391733][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391702][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
I don’t think the jury is still out on Mike Anderson. He’s approaching 400 wins with no losing seasons. We are really just looking at our potential ceiling as opposed to constantly at the floor. That is absolutely progress...[/quote]
I hope to heck you’re right. CMA has a winning track record, I’ll give him that. But, as we all know, this is a very tough job and CMA does have his detractors. We’ll see how it pans out. I’m tempering my expectations until I see tangible success. I think that’s the prudent course. I’d like to see more success on the recruiting trail. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to observe that you need players to win.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
I don’t think the jury is still out on Mike Anderson. He’s approaching 400 wins with no losing seasons. We are really just looking at our potential ceiling as opposed to constantly at the floor. That is absolutely progress...[/quote]
I hope to heck you’re right. CMA has a winning track record, I’ll give him that. But, as we all know, this is a very tough job and CMA does have his detractors. We’ll see how it pans out. I’m tempering my expectations until I see tangible success. I think that’s the prudent course. I’d like to see more success on the recruiting trail. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to observe that you need players to win.
[quote="Boo Harvey" post=391742][quote="MCNPA" post=391738][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391736][quote="JO23" post=391733][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391702][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
I don’t think the jury is still out on Mike Anderson. He’s approaching 400 wins with no losing seasons. We are really just looking at our potential ceiling as opposed to constantly at the floor. That is absolutely progress...[/quote]
I hope to heck you’re right. CMA has a winning track record, I’ll give him that. But, as we all know, this is a very tough job and CMA does have his detractors. We’ll see how it pans out. I’m tempering my expectations until I see tangible success. I think that’s the prudent course. I’d like to see more success on the recruiting trail. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to observe that you need players to win.[/quote]
I don’t disagree, but premature concern for the 21’ class is silly. We have a few ships and a looong way to go to complete the class. We should see at minimum incremental progress, and imo the 2020 class is quite solid with Posh who should be a 4-star kid, two juco All Americans and Wusu. This class we should be aiming for the same or better and hopefully
More HS kids. We have a nice roster as is and I agree, we should all be concerned about recruiting yearly but not to the extent that some are right now. We will be better than last year im pretty sure. Cma’s track record of building programs successfully speaks for itself.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
I don’t think the jury is still out on Mike Anderson. He’s approaching 400 wins with no losing seasons. We are really just looking at our potential ceiling as opposed to constantly at the floor. That is absolutely progress...[/quote]
I hope to heck you’re right. CMA has a winning track record, I’ll give him that. But, as we all know, this is a very tough job and CMA does have his detractors. We’ll see how it pans out. I’m tempering my expectations until I see tangible success. I think that’s the prudent course. I’d like to see more success on the recruiting trail. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to observe that you need players to win.[/quote]
I don’t disagree, but premature concern for the 21’ class is silly. We have a few ships and a looong way to go to complete the class. We should see at minimum incremental progress, and imo the 2020 class is quite solid with Posh who should be a 4-star kid, two juco All Americans and Wusu. This class we should be aiming for the same or better and hopefully
More HS kids. We have a nice roster as is and I agree, we should all be concerned about recruiting yearly but not to the extent that some are right now. We will be better than last year im pretty sure. Cma’s track record of building programs successfully speaks for itself.
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[quote="Boo Harvey" post=391736][quote="JO23" post=391733][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391702][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
What would you rather have: a mediocre talented team that overachieves or a talented team that underachieves? Because I’ll take the first one every time.
On a second note, we are still months away from the early signing period for the 2021 class, not having a recruit yet is far from concerning.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
What would you rather have: a mediocre talented team that overachieves or a talented team that underachieves? Because I’ll take the first one every time.
On a second note, we are still months away from the early signing period for the 2021 class, not having a recruit yet is far from concerning.