[quote="Boo Harvey" post=391742][quote="MCNPA" post=391738][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391736][quote="JO23" post=391733][quote="Mike Zaun" post=391702][quote="Boo Harvey" post=391701]Obviously there is still time, but I’m going to throw my hat in with the crowd that is growing increasingly concerned with our recruiting struggles.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
I don’t think the jury is still out on Mike Anderson. He’s approaching 400 wins with no losing seasons. We are really just looking at our potential ceiling as opposed to constantly at the floor. That is absolutely progress...[/quote]
I hope to heck you’re right. CMA has a winning track record, I’ll give him that. But, as we all know, this is a very tough job and CMA does have his detractors. We’ll see how it pans out. I’m tempering my expectations until I see tangible success. I think that’s the prudent course. I’d like to see more success on the recruiting trail. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to observe that you need players to win.[/quote]
For the tenth time Juco AAs are like top 60 freshman and 3 star kids who are properly coached are typically better as juniors and seniors than four star freshman, that is what history has shown. Would I love us getting four and five star kids , you bet , but I also clearly understand CMAs formula, which is a proven winning formula.
We all love Paris Horne, well he was a 19 year old 2 star freshman when he started at SJU, who had Norm Roberts as a coach, a man who is deemed incompetent by this worldly board. Well we all loved him as a junior and senior. DJ Kennedy was a 3 star recruit, similar in rankings to Posh, and he too became another fan favourite as an upperclassman.
Point being there in nothing wrong with a class of 3 star players and Juco AAs. Chances are it will be very successful.
No matter how good CMA is at developing kids, we will need some studs if we are going to consistently finish in the top half of our conference which should be our goal.
Thus far, I would venture to say that CMA is behind both Lavin and Mullin in recruiting prowess at this point in their respective tenures.
I hope to see some successes soon.[/quote]
Part of me feels like we must've been doing some shady things under Lavin (4-5 star kids routinely) or Mullin (Ponds, Simon, Clark). CMA has a squeaky clean reputation. Either that or recruits are not coming for whatever reason. CMA had a pretty good 1st yr and you would think by now at least 1 major recruit would at least have us down to their last 2 or something. Sounds like Riley has gotten too big with blue bloods calling and as I said, Cuffe may be our last shot at landing a 4 star kid which would be CMA's 1st. If he doesn't land Cuffe either, it's likely a rather weak recruiting class and the pressure will be on to perform next season to start seriously attracting big time recruits. Let's hope Cuffe surprises us and commits and other big recruits will follow in future classes.[/quote]
Anderson > Lavin > Mullin
Really isn't a debate. You are worrying about 4 stars while Anderson is worrying about wins. It's amazing, the guy is 386-215 in his career and we're still questioning the players he brings in. He's averaging over 21 wins per season and made 9 NCAA Tourneys in his career. I don't care about stars, I care about wins, I care about tournaments. I'm sick of underachieving every year, it's finally over and we're complaining about how many stars a recruit has next to his name. Champagnie played as if he was a Top 100 kid and that's all that matters. Dunn became our starting Point Guard after 3 games and Rutherford was an absolute firecracker on the court. Every single one of those dudes played better than we thought and were a major part of us overachieving last season. Give the 2020 guys a chance before you decide if they are good or not. Just win.[/quote]
We were 5-13 in conference last year so let’s not carried away with our “success.” That said, I agree that the team overachieved.
It’s funny, every time we hire a new coach there is this clique that preaches blind trust. The jury is still out on Anderson and it’s very much an open question whether he will succeed here. CMA does have a track record of success, but that doesn’t mean that recruiting doesn’t matter or that he will succeed here.
It’s very early, but I think it’s fair to have a bit of concern at this point. Most pundits are picking us to finish toward the bottom of the conference this year, and I frankly don’t think there is much reason to think otherwise. 0 recruits for 2021 to date. Hope to heck I’m surprised.[/quote]
I don’t think the jury is still out on Mike Anderson. He’s approaching 400 wins with no losing seasons. We are really just looking at our potential ceiling as opposed to constantly at the floor. That is absolutely progress...[/quote]
I hope to heck you’re right. CMA has a winning track record, I’ll give him that. But, as we all know, this is a very tough job and CMA does have his detractors. We’ll see how it pans out. I’m tempering my expectations until I see tangible success. I think that’s the prudent course. I’d like to see more success on the recruiting trail. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to observe that you need players to win.[/quote]
For the tenth time Juco AAs are like top 60 freshman and 3 star kids who are properly coached are typically better as juniors and seniors than four star freshman, that is what history has shown. Would I love us getting four and five star kids , you bet , but I also clearly understand CMAs formula, which is a proven winning formula.
We all love Paris Horne, well he was a 19 year old 2 star freshman when he started at SJU, who had Norm Roberts as a coach, a man who is deemed incompetent by this worldly board. Well we all loved him as a junior and senior. DJ Kennedy was a 3 star recruit, similar in rankings to Posh, and he too became another fan favourite as an upperclassman.
Point being there in nothing wrong with a class of 3 star players and Juco AAs. Chances are it will be very successful.
