Mike Anderson Is A Program Builder
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Mullins Revenge
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[quote="Truck" post=395522]Coach Muss has took Arkansas to new level recruiting. Recruiting is not strong point of CMA but he win 20-22 games most years with 2 & 3 stars recruits. The négative is you are not going win conférence championships with 2 & 3 star level players.[/quote]
I actually think CMA is very good recruiter. I think the kids choose other schools because they dont want to play all out defense and overly share the ball. Its like his system ruins his pitch.
I actually think CMA is very good recruiter. I think the kids choose other schools because they dont want to play all out defense and overly share the ball. Its like his system ruins his pitch.
MakingPlays
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[quote="Truck" post=393387]Those 2-3 stars recruits got CMA fired here in Arkansas. He would always be on Top 100 players but time signing day they committed to other schools. We end up with players rank 300s hundred. CMA would coach thèm up to 22 wins season but in NCAA tornament against more talented team we would lose. We lose North Carolina twice during his tenure in tornament. Arkansas fans wanted sweet 16s and élite 8s. CMA never had losing season bécause his players give 100 percent effort on court. It's hard beating more talented blue bloods on effort along. In closing dont expect many 4 or 5 stars recruits at St Johns. They dont want play in system that défense first and offense second.[/quote]
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CMA's last 2 classes were top 25 ranked classes, per ESPN. And his 2016 class before that was ranked #29 per 247, would have been ranked on ESPN had they ranked JUCOs. That class produced two first team all SEC players.
http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/classrankings?class=2017
http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/classrankings?class=2018
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Season/2016-Basketball/Commits/
The actual facts are that in CMA's last 3 years he landed 10 players that were rated 4-stars on at least one of the major services, and 3 of those players were top 100 players, and 3 of them were top 10 JUCO players, so I have no idea what you're talking about that all he was getting was 2 and 3 star players rated in the 300's and missed on all the top 100 players, that's simply not true at all.
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CMA's last 2 classes were top 25 ranked classes, per ESPN. And his 2016 class before that was ranked #29 per 247, would have been ranked on ESPN had they ranked JUCOs. That class produced two first team all SEC players.
http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/classrankings?class=2017
http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/classrankings?class=2018
https://247sports.com/college/arkansas/Season/2016-Basketball/Commits/
The actual facts are that in CMA's last 3 years he landed 10 players that were rated 4-stars on at least one of the major services, and 3 of those players were top 100 players, and 3 of them were top 10 JUCO players, so I have no idea what you're talking about that all he was getting was 2 and 3 star players rated in the 300's and missed on all the top 100 players, that's simply not true at all.
SJU14
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[quote="Truck" post=395522]Coach Muss has took Arkansas to new level recruiting. Recruiting is not strong point of CMA but he win 20-22 games most years with 2 & 3 stars recruits. The négative is you are not going win conférence championships with 2 & 3 star level players.[/quote]
It’s not like we were winning conference championships with 4/5 star players before anyway
It’s not like we were winning conference championships with 4/5 star players before anyway
Lambsbball
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Mike developed some good teams at Arkansas. The 2014-15 team showed real promise. They finished the season 27–9, 13–5 in SEC play to finish in second place. They advanced to the championship game of the SEC Tournament where they lost to Kentucky.
The team went to the NCAA Tournament and lost in the third round to North Carolina in the round of 32.
That was a young team that had real potential for the next two seasons. But, Bobby Portis, a Sophomore, took a pro offer for the G league. Four other starters went to play in Europe. It ripped the guts out of that team. It's a shame because I think that team could have made a big run in the next season.
Mike had to start over and rebuild. The 2015-16 team ended the season 16-16. 9-9 in SEC play. That wasn't too bad with such inexperienced players.
Mike's last season 2018-19 at Arkansas had a young team and struggled early in the season. The season ended 18–16 (8–10 SEC). They did have Daniel Gafford and would have improved the next season. Gafford went pro. Mike was terminated and went to St John's.
I'm not sure what coaches can do any differently. It takes so much work to recruit and build a team. The team gets some success and then they loose players to the G league. Time to build a new team.
The team went to the NCAA Tournament and lost in the third round to North Carolina in the round of 32.
That was a young team that had real potential for the next two seasons. But, Bobby Portis, a Sophomore, took a pro offer for the G league. Four other starters went to play in Europe. It ripped the guts out of that team. It's a shame because I think that team could have made a big run in the next season.
Mike had to start over and rebuild. The 2015-16 team ended the season 16-16. 9-9 in SEC play. That wasn't too bad with such inexperienced players.
Mike's last season 2018-19 at Arkansas had a young team and struggled early in the season. The season ended 18–16 (8–10 SEC). They did have Daniel Gafford and would have improved the next season. Gafford went pro. Mike was terminated and went to St John's.
I'm not sure what coaches can do any differently. It takes so much work to recruit and build a team. The team gets some success and then they loose players to the G league. Time to build a new team.
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[quote="James Ray Lamb" post=395553]Mike developed some good teams at Arkansas. The 2014-15 team showed real promise. They finished the season 27–9, 13–5 in SEC play to finish in second place. They advanced to the championship game of the SEC Tournament where they lost to Kentucky.
The team went to the NCAA Tournament and lost in the third round to North Carolina in the round of 32.
That was a young team that had real potential for the next two seasons. But, Bobby Portis, a Sophomore, took a pro offer for the G league. Four other starters went to play in Europe. It ripped the guts out of that team. It's a shame because I think that team could have made a big run in the next season.
Mike had to start over and rebuild. The 2015-16 team ended the season 16-16. 9-9 in SEC play. That wasn't too bad with such inexperienced players.
Mike's last season 2018-19 at Arkansas had a young team and struggled early in the season. The season ended 18–16 (8–10 SEC). They did have Daniel Gafford and would have improved the next season. Gafford went pro. Mike was terminated and went to St John's.
I'm not sure what coaches can do any differently. It takes so much work to recruit and build a team. The team gets some success and then they loose players to the G league. Time to build a new team.[/quote]
Yes, plus if I'm not mistaken there's a lot of teams in the SEC that consistently break the recruiting rules (pay ca$h) and even when caught suffer almost no consequences. So it's much easier for them to reload with top recruits when key players go pro. Mike plays it straight and suffers for his integrity. But he still puts an exciting, well-coached team on the floor every game and has a winning record every year. And every once in a while strikes gold and wins a game or two in March. I'm hoping he can continue that here.
The team went to the NCAA Tournament and lost in the third round to North Carolina in the round of 32.
That was a young team that had real potential for the next two seasons. But, Bobby Portis, a Sophomore, took a pro offer for the G league. Four other starters went to play in Europe. It ripped the guts out of that team. It's a shame because I think that team could have made a big run in the next season.
Mike had to start over and rebuild. The 2015-16 team ended the season 16-16. 9-9 in SEC play. That wasn't too bad with such inexperienced players.
Mike's last season 2018-19 at Arkansas had a young team and struggled early in the season. The season ended 18–16 (8–10 SEC). They did have Daniel Gafford and would have improved the next season. Gafford went pro. Mike was terminated and went to St John's.
I'm not sure what coaches can do any differently. It takes so much work to recruit and build a team. The team gets some success and then they loose players to the G league. Time to build a new team.[/quote]
Yes, plus if I'm not mistaken there's a lot of teams in the SEC that consistently break the recruiting rules (pay ca$h) and even when caught suffer almost no consequences. So it's much easier for them to reload with top recruits when key players go pro. Mike plays it straight and suffers for his integrity. But he still puts an exciting, well-coached team on the floor every game and has a winning record every year. And every once in a while strikes gold and wins a game or two in March. I'm hoping he can continue that here.
I really think Mike Anderson is an excellent coach. That said, we are going to need a lot more upper level talent to deal with teams like UConn, nova who are going 2 deep at each position with absolute studs. I’m not saying we need 5-star guys, but as a fan, can’t help but feel uneasy about our recruiting position right now.
[quote="James Ray Lamb" post=395553]Mike developed some good teams at Arkansas. The 2014-15 team showed real promise. They finished the season 27–9, 13–5 in SEC play to finish in second place. They advanced to the championship game of the SEC Tournament where they lost to Kentucky.
The team went to the NCAA Tournament and lost in the third round to North Carolina in the round of 32.
That was a young team that had real potential for the next two seasons. But, Bobby Portis, a Sophomore, took a pro offer for the G league. Four other starters went to play in Europe. It ripped the guts out of that team. It's a shame because I think that team could have made a big run in the next season.
Mike had to start over and rebuild. The 2015-16 team ended the season 16-16. 9-9 in SEC play. That wasn't too bad with such inexperienced players.
Mike's last season 2018-19 at Arkansas had a young team and struggled early in the season. The season ended 18–16 (8–10 SEC). They did have Daniel Gafford and would have improved the next season. Gafford went pro. Mike was terminated and went to St John's.
I'm not sure what coaches can do any differently. It takes so much work to recruit and build a team. The team gets some success and then they loose players to the G league. Time to build a new team.[/quote]
Thanks James Ray!
At least Coach Mike’s teams are
Prepared
Competitive
Hard working
Over .500 each season
WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN WE’VE HAD IN ABOUT
20+ seasons.
I’ll take our chances
And I’m very much
Looking forward to Williams, Campagnie, Earllington, Dunn, Roberts and the incoming players!
Enjoyable play!
Enjoyable games!
The team went to the NCAA Tournament and lost in the third round to North Carolina in the round of 32.
That was a young team that had real potential for the next two seasons. But, Bobby Portis, a Sophomore, took a pro offer for the G league. Four other starters went to play in Europe. It ripped the guts out of that team. It's a shame because I think that team could have made a big run in the next season.
Mike had to start over and rebuild. The 2015-16 team ended the season 16-16. 9-9 in SEC play. That wasn't too bad with such inexperienced players.
Mike's last season 2018-19 at Arkansas had a young team and struggled early in the season. The season ended 18–16 (8–10 SEC). They did have Daniel Gafford and would have improved the next season. Gafford went pro. Mike was terminated and went to St John's.
I'm not sure what coaches can do any differently. It takes so much work to recruit and build a team. The team gets some success and then they loose players to the G league. Time to build a new team.[/quote]
Thanks James Ray!
At least Coach Mike’s teams are
Prepared
Competitive
Hard working
Over .500 each season
WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN WE’VE HAD IN ABOUT
20+ seasons.
I’ll take our chances
And I’m very much
Looking forward to Williams, Campagnie, Earllington, Dunn, Roberts and the incoming players!
Enjoyable play!
Enjoyable games!
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Moose
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The reason I posted the tweet about Arkansas getting another Top 75 kid was I have to say I'm surprised CMA hasn't got one Pied Piper type recruit yet. First year a wash for sure. But then we went out and had a solid season meeting most fans expectations for a 1st year coach with the 'talent' we had. Finished the year strong but then yes Covid turned the world upside down especially NYC. But now NYC is the standard for handling it and the rest of the country is out of control. So again still surprised we haven't got our 'Harkless' yet. (Maybe its Cole) but JUCOs regardless of how they are a safer bet than HS kids will never garner that same buzz.
I don't follow the actual rankings that much because the sites are mostly pure trash but even Riley was 3 star so he technically wouldn't have been that Pied Piper yet. I don't think we are hot on that many 4 stars left in 21 so it might not be in the cards for this year. But 22 is really going to be the true test. If you don't pull in likely 2 there the questions can definitely be asked.
You can punch above your weight for so long. In the SEC for years I think it was a little easier than the BE.
I don't follow the actual rankings that much because the sites are mostly pure trash but even Riley was 3 star so he technically wouldn't have been that Pied Piper yet. I don't think we are hot on that many 4 stars left in 21 so it might not be in the cards for this year. But 22 is really going to be the true test. If you don't pull in likely 2 there the questions can definitely be asked.
You can punch above your weight for so long. In the SEC for years I think it was a little easier than the BE.
[quote="Moose" post=395675]The reason I posted the tweet about Arkansas getting another Top 75 kid was I have to say I'm surprised CMA hasn't got one Pied Piper type recruit yet. First year a wash for sure. But then we went out and had a solid season meeting most fans expectations for a 1st year coach with the 'talent' we had. Finished the year strong but then yes Covid turned the world upside down especially NYC. But now NYC is the standard for handling it and the rest of the country is out of control. So again still surprised we haven't got our 'Harkless' yet. (Maybe its Cole) but JUCOs regardless of how they are a safer bet than HS kids will never garner that same buzz.
I don't follow the actual rankings that much because the sites are mostly pure trash but even Riley was 3 star so he technically wouldn't have been that Pied Piper yet. I don't think we are hot on that many 4 stars left in 21 so it might not be in the cards for this year. But 22 is really going to be the true test. If you don't pull in likely 2 there the questions can definitely be asked.
You can punch above your weight for so long. In the SEC for years I think it was a little easier than the BE.[/quote]
Don't want to turn this thread in to a Covid debate, but you actually think that NYC is the standard for handling Covid?
I don't follow the actual rankings that much because the sites are mostly pure trash but even Riley was 3 star so he technically wouldn't have been that Pied Piper yet. I don't think we are hot on that many 4 stars left in 21 so it might not be in the cards for this year. But 22 is really going to be the true test. If you don't pull in likely 2 there the questions can definitely be asked.
You can punch above your weight for so long. In the SEC for years I think it was a little easier than the BE.[/quote]
Don't want to turn this thread in to a Covid debate, but you actually think that NYC is the standard for handling Covid?
Moose
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[quote="Monte" post=395726][quote="Moose" post=395675]The reason I posted the tweet about Arkansas getting another Top 75 kid was I have to say I'm surprised CMA hasn't got one Pied Piper type recruit yet. First year a wash for sure. But then we went out and had a solid season meeting most fans expectations for a 1st year coach with the 'talent' we had. Finished the year strong but then yes Covid turned the world upside down especially NYC. But now NYC is the standard for handling it and the rest of the country is out of control. So again still surprised we haven't got our 'Harkless' yet. (Maybe its Cole) but JUCOs regardless of how they are a safer bet than HS kids will never garner that same buzz.
I don't follow the actual rankings that much because the sites are mostly pure trash but even Riley was 3 star so he technically wouldn't have been that Pied Piper yet. I don't think we are hot on that many 4 stars left in 21 so it might not be in the cards for this year. But 22 is really going to be the true test. If you don't pull in likely 2 there the questions can definitely be asked.
You can punch above your weight for so long. In the SEC for years I think it was a little easier than the BE.[/quote]
Don't want to turn this thread in to a Covid debate, but you actually think that NYC is the standard for handling Covid?[/quote]
Then let’s not turn it into a covid debate. Feel free to DM me if you want to have a non political conversation about this pandemic.
I don't follow the actual rankings that much because the sites are mostly pure trash but even Riley was 3 star so he technically wouldn't have been that Pied Piper yet. I don't think we are hot on that many 4 stars left in 21 so it might not be in the cards for this year. But 22 is really going to be the true test. If you don't pull in likely 2 there the questions can definitely be asked.
You can punch above your weight for so long. In the SEC for years I think it was a little easier than the BE.[/quote]
Don't want to turn this thread in to a Covid debate, but you actually think that NYC is the standard for handling Covid?[/quote]
Then let’s not turn it into a covid debate. Feel free to DM me if you want to have a non political conversation about this pandemic.
JohnnyFever
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Fast forward to 2021:
"Ok I know we still don't have a top 100 4 star player, and I know we swore the 2022 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2023 that's the REAL test!"
Fast forward to 2022:
"Ok I know we swore the 2023 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2024's class. That will be the make or break".
Fast forward to 2023:
"Ok I know we swore the 2024 class would be great, but the 2025 class will be our year to break through"
Anyone else getting deja vu? Sorry, have to be honest! Said all along CMA can work out here but only if he can recruit at this level. So far he cannot. He gets most out of kids, but that only gets you so far because 2-3 star kids have lower ceilings than 4's. We also still have no real post presence on top of all that. Last place in Big East recruiting currently. No one below.
"Ok I know we still don't have a top 100 4 star player, and I know we swore the 2022 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2023 that's the REAL test!"
Fast forward to 2022:
"Ok I know we swore the 2023 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2024's class. That will be the make or break".
Fast forward to 2023:
"Ok I know we swore the 2024 class would be great, but the 2025 class will be our year to break through"
Anyone else getting deja vu? Sorry, have to be honest! Said all along CMA can work out here but only if he can recruit at this level. So far he cannot. He gets most out of kids, but that only gets you so far because 2-3 star kids have lower ceilings than 4's. We also still have no real post presence on top of all that. Last place in Big East recruiting currently. No one below.
Moose
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=395730]Fast forward to 2021:
"Ok I know we still don't have a top 100 4 star player, and I know we swore the 2022 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2023 that's the REAL test!"
Fast forward to 2022:
"Ok I know we swore the 2023 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2024's class. That will be the make or break".
Fast forward to 2023:
"Ok I know we swore the 2024 class would be great, but the 2025 class will be our year to break through"
Anyone else getting deja vu? Sorry, have to be honest! Said all along CMA can work out here but only if he can recruit at this level. So far he cannot. He gets most out of kids, but that only gets you so far because 2-3 star kids have lower ceilings than 4's. We also still have no real post presence on top of all that. Last place in Big East recruiting currently. No one below.[/quote]
Do your visionary powers lend themselves to other things like the next set of lotto numbers of just the future posts of redmen.com
"Ok I know we still don't have a top 100 4 star player, and I know we swore the 2022 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2023 that's the REAL test!"
Fast forward to 2022:
"Ok I know we swore the 2023 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2024's class. That will be the make or break".
Fast forward to 2023:
"Ok I know we swore the 2024 class would be great, but the 2025 class will be our year to break through"
Anyone else getting deja vu? Sorry, have to be honest! Said all along CMA can work out here but only if he can recruit at this level. So far he cannot. He gets most out of kids, but that only gets you so far because 2-3 star kids have lower ceilings than 4's. We also still have no real post presence on top of all that. Last place in Big East recruiting currently. No one below.[/quote]
Do your visionary powers lend themselves to other things like the next set of lotto numbers of just the future posts of redmen.com
JohnnyFever
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Just the future of Johnnie misery
L J S A
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You need to stop being such a slave to the number of stars handed out by recruiting sites that do not see every single kid in the country, much less see them multiple times. Take the top 100 high school kids who made it to college this past season. Out of all those freshmen, do you think Champagnie sits outside the top 100?
JohnnyFever
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[quote="L J S A" post=395735]You need to stop being such a slave to the number of stars handed out by recruiting sites that do not see every single kid in the country, much less see them multiple times. Take the top 100 high school kids who made it to college this past season. Out of all those freshmen, do you think Champagnie sits outside the top 100?[/quote]
If stars didn't matter, why does UConn and Villanova go for mostly 4's? It's a matter of exceptions and the norm. Normally, those 4's and 5's are better. Rarely, you get a 3* become an NBA superstar like Curry. But not often. 4's and 5's are more often NBA size and get drafted. 3's may have solid 4 yr careers in college but then go overseas.
If stars didn't matter, why does UConn and Villanova go for mostly 4's? It's a matter of exceptions and the norm. Normally, those 4's and 5's are better. Rarely, you get a 3* become an NBA superstar like Curry. But not often. 4's and 5's are more often NBA size and get drafted. 3's may have solid 4 yr careers in college but then go overseas.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=395730]Fast forward to 2021:
"Ok I know we still don't have a top 100 4 star player, and I know we swore the 2022 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2023 that's the REAL test!"
Fast forward to 2022:
"Ok I know we swore the 2023 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2024's class. That will be the make or break".
Fast forward to 2023:
"Ok I know we swore the 2024 class would be great, but the 2025 class will be our year to break through"
Anyone else getting deja vu? Sorry, have to be honest! Said all along CMA can work out here but only if he can recruit at this level. So far he cannot. He gets most out of kids, but that only gets you so far because 2-3 star kids have lower ceilings than 4's. We also still have no real post presence on top of all that. Last place in Big East recruiting currently. No one below.[/quote]
Why don't you wait until Mike Anderson actually starts losing games before getting so worked up? If you are going to start complaining after just one year, a year in which we would have made a postseason tournament, it makes sense why our coaches get run out of town every five years. I for one care much more about wins and losses than the number of stars next to our recruits' names. There's a reason they actually play the games and don't just hand out trophies based on 247 rankings.
"Ok I know we still don't have a top 100 4 star player, and I know we swore the 2022 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2023 that's the REAL test!"
Fast forward to 2022:
"Ok I know we swore the 2023 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2024's class. That will be the make or break".
Fast forward to 2023:
"Ok I know we swore the 2024 class would be great, but the 2025 class will be our year to break through"
Anyone else getting deja vu? Sorry, have to be honest! Said all along CMA can work out here but only if he can recruit at this level. So far he cannot. He gets most out of kids, but that only gets you so far because 2-3 star kids have lower ceilings than 4's. We also still have no real post presence on top of all that. Last place in Big East recruiting currently. No one below.[/quote]
Why don't you wait until Mike Anderson actually starts losing games before getting so worked up? If you are going to start complaining after just one year, a year in which we would have made a postseason tournament, it makes sense why our coaches get run out of town every five years. I for one care much more about wins and losses than the number of stars next to our recruits' names. There's a reason they actually play the games and don't just hand out trophies based on 247 rankings.
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=395730]Fast forward to 2021:
"Ok I know we still don't have a top 100 4 star player, and I know we swore the 2022 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2023 that's the REAL test!"
Fast forward to 2022:
"Ok I know we swore the 2023 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2024's class. That will be the make or break".
Fast forward to 2023:
"Ok I know we swore the 2024 class would be great, but the 2025 class will be our year to break through"
Anyone else getting deja vu? Sorry, have to be honest! Said all along CMA can work out here but only if he can recruit at this level. So far he cannot. He gets most out of kids, but that only gets you so far because 2-3 star kids have lower ceilings than 4's. We also still have no real post presence on top of all that. Last place in Big East recruiting currently. No one below.[/quote]
The guy has done a fine job in his 1 plus year here. We have a pretty good class for 2020. (I actually think it has a lot of potential to be better than pretty good) You really seriously do need to give anderson time. Not his fault the history at SJU the last 20 plus years. And the only Deja vu I see is from the content of your posts.
"Ok I know we still don't have a top 100 4 star player, and I know we swore the 2022 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2023 that's the REAL test!"
Fast forward to 2022:
"Ok I know we swore the 2023 class would be way better. But let's wait until 2024's class. That will be the make or break".
Fast forward to 2023:
"Ok I know we swore the 2024 class would be great, but the 2025 class will be our year to break through"
Anyone else getting deja vu? Sorry, have to be honest! Said all along CMA can work out here but only if he can recruit at this level. So far he cannot. He gets most out of kids, but that only gets you so far because 2-3 star kids have lower ceilings than 4's. We also still have no real post presence on top of all that. Last place in Big East recruiting currently. No one below.[/quote]
The guy has done a fine job in his 1 plus year here. We have a pretty good class for 2020. (I actually think it has a lot of potential to be better than pretty good) You really seriously do need to give anderson time. Not his fault the history at SJU the last 20 plus years. And the only Deja vu I see is from the content of your posts.
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MakingPlays
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=395736][quote="L J S A" post=395735]You need to stop being such a slave to the number of stars handed out by recruiting sites that do not see every single kid in the country, much less see them multiple times. Take the top 100 high school kids who made it to college this past season. Out of all those freshmen, do you think Champagnie sits outside the top 100?[/quote]
If stars didn't matter, why does UConn and Villanova go for mostly 4's? It's a matter of exceptions and the norm. Normally, those 4's and 5's are better. Rarely, you get a 3* become an NBA superstar like Curry. But not often. 4's and 5's are more often NBA size and get drafted. 3's may have solid 4 yr careers in college but then go overseas.[/quote]
You brought up a similar argument up in another thread a few weeks and asked how many teams in the top 25 had "bottom level" recruiting classes, which is what you called CMA's recruiting. Just to remind you, there was 9 teams in the top 25 this past year with a recruiting class ranking of 70 or higher from their most recent recruiting class.
It's not uncommon at all for teams to have a high level of success in college basketball without a team full of 4 and 5 stars. You actually see this every single year in the NCAA tournament when a team that's full of juniors and seniors that were un-ranked and 3-star kids in high school upset a team full of 4 and 5 stars, because in a single elimination tournament on a neutral site, experience sometimes outweighs talent.
And nobody is saying they don't want 4 and 5 star players on their team, everybody wants that, however, I think most people that actually follow college basketball closely, realize the rankings aren't the end all be all of your team having success, you can have a high level of success just recruiting solid 4-year players that fit your system, there's many examples of that.
If stars didn't matter, why does UConn and Villanova go for mostly 4's? It's a matter of exceptions and the norm. Normally, those 4's and 5's are better. Rarely, you get a 3* become an NBA superstar like Curry. But not often. 4's and 5's are more often NBA size and get drafted. 3's may have solid 4 yr careers in college but then go overseas.[/quote]
You brought up a similar argument up in another thread a few weeks and asked how many teams in the top 25 had "bottom level" recruiting classes, which is what you called CMA's recruiting. Just to remind you, there was 9 teams in the top 25 this past year with a recruiting class ranking of 70 or higher from their most recent recruiting class.
It's not uncommon at all for teams to have a high level of success in college basketball without a team full of 4 and 5 stars. You actually see this every single year in the NCAA tournament when a team that's full of juniors and seniors that were un-ranked and 3-star kids in high school upset a team full of 4 and 5 stars, because in a single elimination tournament on a neutral site, experience sometimes outweighs talent.
And nobody is saying they don't want 4 and 5 star players on their team, everybody wants that, however, I think most people that actually follow college basketball closely, realize the rankings aren't the end all be all of your team having success, you can have a high level of success just recruiting solid 4-year players that fit your system, there's many examples of that.