Mike Anderson - Former Coach

Pitino’s past indiscretions …….

I hear a lot of chatter about indiscretions by Coach Pitino without any specifics.

I would appreciate if someone would please articulate with some particularly exactly what indiscretions Coach Pitino has committed that would disqualify him from coaching at St. John’s University.
 
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Still time to turn things around a bit, But if the season ended today, you have to give Coach an F. No way around it. Complete failure on multiple fronts

- predictable/uncreative X's and O's
- complete inability to react to other teams' adjustments as they go on 10+ pt runs and put the game away, much less any hope of meaningful pro-active adjustments for us
- players not improving, if not regressing
- halfway through the season and rotation is STILL just throwing crap against the wall. Seems like nobody on the team knows what their role is
Not that there aren’t ranges of coaches from good ones to bad ones, but a lot of it comes down to being a fan and living and dying on the outcome of every play. Fans will legitimately be upset with a bad 3 minute start in the first exhibition game. I’m not even speaking about us sju fans and CMA, just rapid college bball fans (yes that’s us, we are talking to random people on the internet) in general. There are just some inherent biases when we care so much about each time down the court, while being able to appreciate others from a far for their successful work.

With that said I think we can do a lot better here at St. John’s 😃
 
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I hear a lot of chatter about indiscretions by Coach Pitino without any specifics.

I would appreciate if someone would please articulate with some particularly exactly what indiscretions Coach Pitino has committed that would disqualify him from coaching at St. John’s University.
 
I hear a lot of chatter about indiscretions by Coach Pitino without any specifics.

I would appreciate if someone would please articulate with some particularly exactly what indiscretions Coach Pitino has committed that would disqualify him from coaching at St. John’s University.
A Google search brings up a few
 
I'm tired of hearing excuses.
We can't attract a big name coach because of our 6,000 seat arena. If we had an elite coach maybe we could play more MSG games!
There are schools without 18,000 seat campus arenas that are perennial basketball success stories like Villanova, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Providence, etc. Heck, Georgetown and Seton Hall have nothing close to Carnesecca Arena!

You hear about sob stories about lack of funds. Yet we pay millions to the Mullins, Andersons and Slices of our history. We even extended our current Norm Roberts.
The university has a three quarter million dollar endowment. Look up Iona, Providence, Seton Hall, Gonzaga, Xavier and many other D1 schools similar in profile and they have HALF that in endowment.

Those that criticize the thought of hiring a Rick Pitino because of a personal transgression 20 years ago readily invest millions in the stock market run by unscrupulous fornicators on Wall Street. Not too long ago we had a President and Vincentian priest ordering custom suites in Hong Kong while the school's academic profile read Kohls off the rack no name brands.

As for perennial bottom of the conference dwellers, that is half the schools in our conference but at least Georgetown is ranked one of the top universities in America. We need to think Big in the Big Apple.
 
I love the quote in the article that I posted by one unnamed coach who basically said "we all cheat, but Pitino cheats at another level then the rest of us". That's like a thief saying "we all steal, but we don't like him because he steals more then us". 😂
 
Correct me if I am wrong but the NCAA has never found Coach Pitino guilty of any indiscretion, nor has any penalty been levied against him.
For the record I would be all for him coaching here. But he is no choir boy and I could understand why a University would hesitate to hire him. At the very least it shows he failed to monitor the program. I believe he was suspended for five games due to the escort incident with recruits.
 
I love the quote in the article that I posted by one unnamed coach who basically said "we all cheat, but Pitino cheats at another level then the rest of us". That's like a thief saying "we all steal, but we don't like him because he steals more then us". 😂
Let's not forget that today's college basketball world is very different than when Pitino was at Louisville.
Now paying players to play (NIL) is the acceptable norm.
Player's have legal representation for their "deals".
Player's transfer for better NIL deals.
This is the era we need a Rick Pitino like coach that could attract the current legal illegal dollars to compete with the super cheating State schools.
 
For the record I would be all for him coaching here. But he is no choir boy and I could understand why a University would hesitate to hire him. At the very least it shows he failed to monitor the program. I believe he was suspended for five games due to the escort incident with recruits.
Those "escorts" pale in comparison to the hostesses at Baylor, Texas, UCLA, UNLV among many others.
 
For the record I would be all for him coaching here. But he is no choir boy and I could understand why a University would hesitate to hire him. At the very least it shows he failed to monitor the program. I believe he was suspended for five games due to the escort incident with recruits.
I agree completely, but a couple of things have changed my mind on Pitino. For starters, we(SJU) are no more Catholic than any of the other Big East schools, and they all seem to have no problem hiring coaches with checkered backgrounds and giving them a second(or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th) chance. 2nd, (and this is guaranteed to piss a lot of people off), they welcomed Jayson Williams back in to the fold and lord knows what he did was far worse than anything Rick Pitino ever did. Granted he isn't being asked to coach the kids, but still. As an aside, Georgetown just hired a convicted murderer. So let's not be hypocritical here. 3rd, Pitino did his penance at Iona and I trust he'll make better choices then he has in the past. If for no other reason then it's now legal for players to get paid. I suspect Pitino will also play the NIL game as well as anyone in college basketball. And 4th, this program is in dire need of a serious shot in the arm. And while there may be some other coaches out there who can give us a shot in the arm, there's no coach on this planet who'd be able to do it bigger and better then Rick Pitino.
 
At this point, let’s just see how the rest of the season plays out. As previous posters have said, I think they’ve dug themselves into too deep of a hole with a bad OOC schedule and missing out on chances to get Quad 1 and 2 wins (Villanova, Xavier, Marquette). Going to have to go on a serious run here to have a chance at the NCAA Tournament and this group hasn’t shown me any reason to be optimistic. The players don’t seem to mix well and it has become apparent CMA doesn’t really know how to fix it.

My stance is simple. If he doesn’t make the tournament, I don’t think he deserves a 5th year here. His coaching has been lackluster and the recruiting results haven’t been much better. In college basketball, you typically are either a great coach or a great recruiter. Very rare to have both and those guys cost a fortune. CMA is proving to be none at this point in his career. I’m rooting for him, but just don’t see this fixing itself. What happens next? I don’t really know. It’s St. John’s, so I expect to be disappointed. Contrary to what some posters have said, Pitino doesn’t want this job. He’s open to it, but there’s going to be a lot of others teams in the mix for him. Teams that can offer more money, better facilities and larger fan bases. He does have prior history with Shanley, but that doesn’t mean much of anything come contract negotiations time. Personally, I don’t think he comes here and SJU goes scrambling for a young coach. Someone like Jared Grasso or Robert Jones. Hope I’m wrong, but again, I’ve seen this play out way too many times. Your best predictor of future behavior is past behavior or past performance in a similar situation.
 
……he (Pitino) is no choir boy and I could understand why a University would hesitate to hire him.…..

Stay focused: Pitino would not be hired by St. John’s to be a choir boy. He would be hired to be head men’s basketball coach.

Anyone who desires to take the sanctimonious position regarding Pitino should recall the many reported transgressions by past senior StJ’s Administrators.

Basic tenets of Catholicism include redemption- second chances, forgiveness; a belief that people deserve fresh chances. People can change.

I don’t know Pitino but I am told by someone in a position to know that Pitino has not had a drink in 5 years which has tamed his ways. Since Pitino has arrived at Iona he has seemingly kept his nose clean despite NCAA scrutiny. He has run a clean program at Iona. If this was “Slick” Rick Pitino from 10 years ago, I would not advocate that he be considered if the head coaching position at StJ's opens . People change. He is doing penance in the MAAC. His wife remained with him after his reported indiscretion for which he was blackmailed.

IF StJ’s decides to change head coaches at the conclusion of this season then StJ's should not hold Pitino to the "choir boy" standard when it has not held its own senior Administrators to a "choir boy" standard. Hopefully Father Shanley will keep an open mind and pick up the phone and see if there is any middle ground with Pitino. Given their common ties to Providence College (Pitino's son also graduated from PC) I would be surprised if Fr. Shanley and Pitino do not already know each other.
 
If Mike is no longer here, this dormant program Imo needs a jolt, someone who has coaching chops, contacts, would positively impact fundraising and get good players. Pitino fits that profile no matter his age. This is not a coaching job sought by the good ones and morality concerns are folly to me, especially since he has been productive and a positive at Iona. SJU is a program declining for decades and perhaps Shanley and Pitino, who FS knows well, can be a dynamic duo to get the program on track for success in relatively short order. A Pitino hire would likely positively impact enrollment, fundraising and attendance out of the box while changing public perception.

Getting him of course is another matter, but desperate times merit bold moves and this seems a worthy one. My gut tells me Shanley is a seasoned, competitive CEO who wants to replicate his Providence success. If he wants him, I find it a no brainer.
 
Perfectly stated Paultz..

Assuming all the stars align (that he and SJU) interested but he's also willing to go elsewhere, it would be brutal if we lost him based on contract $ and someone like Georgetown out offering us...or just being used as a bargaining chip with another school.

Advantages: we have are more media attention if success, closer to family, MSG

Disadvantages: budget, poor facilities, fan apathy.
 
Perfectly stated Paultz..

Assuming all the stars align (that he and SJU) interested but he's also willing to go elsewhere, it would be brutal if we lost him based on contract $ and someone like Georgetown out offering us...or just being used as a bargaining chip with another school.

Advantages: we have are more media attention if success, closer to family, MSG

Disadvantages: budget, poor facilities, fan apathy.
From being at a couple games this year... we are well at the "fan apathy" mark in CMA's tenure.

Ruling out an absolutely EPIC turn-around and an NCAA bid... i can only imagine what the "fan support" will look like next year if we keep CMA. Think we're talking max 3k at CA...
 
I could see Fr. Shanley cringe when questioned about Pitino’s history and if it was a good idea to bring him into contact with so many impressionable young men.
 
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