(Miami Invit) Georgia Tech, Sat. Dec. 1, 12 Noon, ESPNU / 570 WMCA

[quote="frank" post=305948]Delaware, I don't know what Mullin you where watching ?. What I saw is a Mullin who is beginning to learn how to Coach during a game. A great timeout at the end of the game after Simon missed the foul shots and the team became deflated and allowed an easy basket and foul. Gave the momentum back to us, remaindered me what Lou would have done.[/quote]

Sorry, but we don't share the same point of view. Thought he looked sloppy. Just my 2 cents.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=305928]Just watching this debacle after being out all day. What a disgrace in so many ways. Oh, and by the way, the casual look by Mullin really is piss poor. Show a little more respect for the position and the university and look the damn part, especially on the road.[/quote]

You're a troll just trying to get attention
 
Any day you come back from 16 down to win is a good day. We have weapons, we won't always have to rely only on Ponds, but it's great to see him come up big when it counted.
 
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I pointed to this game as a big test after playing a very soft schedule. That softness was a factor in our falling behind for most of the game. Brooks and Moses Wright were a talented challenge on the front line and neither Clark nor anyone else we put on them were effective. Teams with talented bigs will always be a challenge if our threes aren't falling.
Personally I don't care how Mully and the Staff dressed because like the Hawaii tournaments the ones in warm climates are more relaxed. Mullin was very much in charge yesterday so no complaints. The bottom line is Marvin Clark had a very subpar day and our shots weren't falling. Hopefully we get to see more of Roberts before the Big East games because he will be become a very important piece after the new year.
 
I think Georgia Tech was better than most believed. They have some decent players and didn't quit. The game was a challenge until the buzzer. Turned out to be a good test early in the season. I hope it brings some guys back to realize that hard work and attention to each opponent are needed. Team needs to ignore its undefeated status.
 
From my seat, which was close up, I could see the huge difference in height. Banks, Wright and even Moore looked much taller than anyone we had on the court. The need to collapse on the bigs with double and triple teams leaves us scrambling to cover the guards when the bigs kick out. One thing I would like to see are a few different looks on defense, including a zone. These are college kids, and they can get rattled and confused when facing a different look n the half court.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=305942][quote="Delaware" post=305940][quote="Marillac" post=305931][quote="Delaware" post=305928]Just watching this debacle after being out all day. What a disgrace in so many ways. Oh, and by the way, the casual look by Mullin really is piss poor. Show a little more respect for the position and the university and look the damn part, especially on the road.[/quote]

What debacle? We just beat an ACC team on a neutral court on a cold shooting night. In what world is that a debacle? We're 7-0. We're top 20 in the NET and RPI. We're one of 12 unbeaten teams left in the country and we've played only three home games. If you're upset now, I'd recommend giving up sports or at the very least cheering for St. John's. This is one of the highest points of the last decade.[/quote]

The first half and a portion of the 2nd were horrible and painful to watch. Obviously a great comeback to remain unbeaten. Still too many warts on this team and wrt the staff.[/quote]

The key word there is unbeaten, Renard.[/quote]

That's actually pretty funny. Thanks.
 
[quote="frank" post=305948]Delaware, I don't know what Mullin you where watching ?. What I saw is a Mullin who is beginning to learn how to Coach during a game. A great timeout at the end of the game after Simon missed the foul shots and the team became deflated and allowed an easy basket and foul. Gave the momentum back to us, remaindered me what Lou would have done.[/quote]

I guess my overall opinion is that when we play so small for lack of bringing in bigs, the school yard shots I see too often, lack of viable contribution from HS recruits is missing, I can't get too excited about him and this staff.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=305941][quote="Delaware" post=305938][quote="Ray Morgan" post=305875][quote="Johnnie Drama" post=305810]What a weird game to go to at a venue like that. There were probably only about 750-1000 in the crowd but everyone there was supporting SJU except for about a group of 20. Shoutout to those sitting in 107, ha. Not a pretty game, but Shamorie did his thing and carried them to a W along with SJU putting the clamps down on D and hitting the boards in the stretch run.[/quote]

I was in 107 but only saw a handful of SJU fans. Everyone gathered at the outside bar overlooking the cruise ships after the game. I met Tarik Turner and Ty Grant, both really nice guys. Also the director of alumni relations Mark Andrews, who introduced me to Tarik and Ty. Watching Ponds live for the first time was a special experience. Almost lost my mind watching the missed foul shots and the silly foul near the end. A really nice comeback win.

I stayed around to see Texas Tech to watch Owens. He played a great last 6 or 8 minutes. I'm not one of those fans that turns on a player because he transfers. Tariq played hard for us for 2 seasons, and I'm sure has the bruises to show for it.[/quote]

Owens' father must be having fun time watching this big man-less team struggle in the paint.[/quote]

You must be his father if that's what you think. We struggled in the paint both years that string bean played here and were outrebounded almost every game. We're 7-0 without him and are on our way to becoming the second team to dance after he left them. And for what? He's not getting the shots or the role he traded his loyalty for. Good riddance.[/quote]

I don't disagree with anything you said. Just wondering what his father was thinking yesterday watching us trying to contain Banks. I'm not sure he could have done much better either.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the loss of Owens was a huge blow.
 
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[quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote]

I think we will be fine once we get Keita back. All depends if he’s fully healthy. He’s big, athletic and a solid defender. He also gives us another 5 fouls and allows us to play Clark where we want him more. Let’s alll just hope his knee gets to near100% in the next few weeks.
 
[quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote]
Hopefully Keita can handle most BE bigs without teammates collapsing to double them. When SJU resorts to that with smaller lineup it may exacerbate the teams pattern to date (with exception of yesterday) of not closing out on threes. Our small lineup creates advantages with matchups, but obviously has its downside depending on the opposition.

After seven games, it is possible that Josh Roberts in practice is not showing anything to give CM any degree of confidence to use him. He is relatively late to basketball, and although athletic, may be even a bigger project than anticipated.

Let’s get the “gimmes” left in the schedule put away early in order to give Josh and Greg some time to keep them interested and help with their development. After that, the brutal BE scheduled commences with a difficult first four games with three on the road.
 
Mullin made some nice defensive adjustments in the second half. Sped the game up took their bigs out of the game also caused numerous GT TO’s. Shooting 29% from 3 with plenty of good looks, makes a zone look a lot better. We are currently 11th in TOV%, that’s phenomenal. You’ll win games with that %.
 
[quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote]

Just because a guy's 6'11" (Owens) doesn't mean he's going to be a good interior defender. He wasn't, plain and simple. He got pushed around when bigs backed him down, was too intent on blocking shots to box out and rebound consistently and on the offensive end was never an option in the post in the 1/2 court offense, He was happy hoisting up threes and looking for the highlight reel block.

Let's hope Keita comes back sound and is ready to be an interior presence for us who doesn't get foul happy. Roberts may have potential, but from what I've seen so far he is a long term project who could develop by his junior year. Maybe Steere will get that first semester back for next season.
 
[quote="Knight" post=305976]I think Georgia Tech was better than most believed. They have some decent players and didn't quit. The game was a challenge until the buzzer. Turned out to be a good test early in the season. I hope it brings some guys back to realize that hard work and attention to each opponent are needed. Team needs to ignore its undefeated status.[/quote]


Agree, just the fact they came way back from a blowout against a good Northwestern team.
 
Very lackadaisical effort in the first half along with poor shot selection against a 1-3-1 zone.
Once again, no offensive rebounds against the zone
Pressing in the second half gave us momentum and turnovers
With 9 seconds remaining and the ball in Ponds hands I prefer running out the clock even though his pass was to Fiqueroa under the basket. Give it back to Ponds, kill the clock
Clark digressing? Could be his defensive challenges against the opposition's big men has affected his offense. Also has caused early foul trouble. Plenty of time to get his game back.
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[quote="Section9" post=306000][quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote]

Just because a guy's 6'11" (Owens) doesn't mean he's going to be a good interior defender. He wasn't, plain and simple. He got pushed around when bigs backed him down, was too intent on blocking shots to box out and rebound consistently and on the offensive end was never an option in the post in the 1/2 court offense, He was happy hoisting up threes and looking for the highlight reel block.

Let's hope Keita comes back sound and is ready to be an interior presence for us who doesn't get foul happy. Roberts may have potential, but from what I've seen so far he is a long term project who could develop by his junior year. Maybe Steere will get that first semester back for next season.[/quote]

Exactly. He got backed down like he was on ice skates every game for two years. He was great with the help, but he was a below average rebounder.

We were outplayed and outrebounded almost every game he appeared.

Now we've got guys who fight for position, we don't expect blocks, we rebound BETTER, we have an identity, and we actuall get something on offense. It'd be nice to have a guy that can come in and stop big men for 15 mpg...maybe that's Keita. It wasn't Owens.
 
[quote="JackofVirginia" post=306004]Very lackadaisical effort in the first half along with poor shot selection against a 1-3-1 zone.
Once again, no offensive rebounds against the zone
Pressing in the second half gave us momentum and turnovers
With 9 seconds remaining and the ball in Ponds hands I prefer running out the clock even though his pass was to Fiqueroa under the basket. Give it back to Ponds, kill the clock
Clark digressing? Could be his defensive challenges against the opposition's big men has affected his offense. Also has caused early foul trouble. Plenty of time to get his game back.
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I think the momentum came from the offenside rebounding. When we went down 16 we had three straight possessions extended with impressive offensive rebounds. Two of those resulted in GT fouls and one was an and 1 for Simon. Two possessions later we got another impressive offensive rebound which led to another GT foul and put Ponds on the line down 11. After the energetic Simon "and 1" we started to pressure and that helped increase the energy even more.

I'll say it again, nobody can keep all three of Simon, Heron, and Figuerora off the glass.
 
[quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote] Your correct, as usual the lack of bigs is a our achellis heal. Untill Keata returns Clark is going to have to be careful w fouling. He shouldn’t be going for steals and no excuse for fouling away from basket. Let’s hope we get a healthy Keata back by BE time.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=306013][quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote] Your correct, as usual the lack of bigs is a our achellis heal. Untill Keata returns Clark is going to have to be careful w fouling. He shouldn’t be going for steals and no excuse for fouling away from basket. Let’s hope we get a healthy Keata back by BE time.[/quote]

Call me crazy, but I believe the whole lack of a big man thing is overblown. Just look at the Georgia Tech stats, we had 10 offensive rebounds which is two more than them.

Additionally, every single game we have a huge advantage in forced turnovers. Because of all of our guards, we are able to create those turnovers and get plenty of steals.

Also, what we lack in an inside game, we have a huge advantage at the three point arc. Just about our whole rotation is a legit three point threat.
 
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