(Miami Invit) Georgia Tech, Sat. Dec. 1, 12 Noon, ESPNU / 570 WMCA

[quote="austour" post=306150][quote="rawdognyc" post=306077][quote="Section3" post=306072][quote="Delaware" post=305928]Just watching this debacle after being out all day. What a disgrace in so many ways. Oh, and by the way, the casual look by Mullin really is piss poor. Show a little more respect for the position and the university and look the damn part, especially on the road.[/quote]
Not sure how many of these tourneys you watch. But, most coaches dress casual in these type of environments.

For those watchers of “The OffIice”...as Meredith would say “Its casual day!”[/quote]

That bum coach k wore short sleeves in Hawaii. Such a disgrace to Duke.

Honestly I couldn't care less what Mullin wears as long as we continue to do well. The things people actually complain about on this forum never cease to amaze me.[/quote]

I don't disagree with your points on dress code but coaches and commentators are required to wear Hawaiian shirts in Maui so you're example holds now weight.[/quote]

In fairness I doubt the NCAA does anything w/o first running it by Coach K so you could argue that the Hawaiian shirt thing is actually his idea in the first place.
In all seriousness we all know this fashion police thing just came up because we are 7-0 and arguing about schedule and margin of victory will only give anti Mullin faction so much ammo. Need to complain about something that can't be countered with 7-0.
 
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[quote="panther2" post=306118][quote="Mike Zaun" post=306111]Agree it's not a huge deal obviously, but just stating the fact that attire clearly affects perception whether or not that perception is fair or truthful. That's an innate fact of humans. If this were not true, people would wear PJ's to job interviews and at work. So it's not true that it doesn't have any effect on perception. Many studies in psych haven't been replicated well but this one has. Of course Belicheck, Jobs, Gates, etc. are exceptions to the rule. It's a faulty comparison to Mullin though, because he does not yet have all that winning capital under him as a coach unless you think Mullin's as successful a coach as Bill Gates is a businessman. Not harping on this, just find it interesting being in the field of psychology.[/quote]



I am not a psychologist but I have an ungergraduate degree in Human Service and Counseling from St Johns and a Masters Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling from NYU. One of the first things that I learned was never to be "Judgmental". I also learned that Perception is not Reality.

I have been to many games on the West Coast where coaches dress the way our staff did on Saturday. Not sure why this is a problem.

All I know is at the present time, we are 7-0. Were all the games easy, hell no, but somehow the team had the resilience to play hard and overcome their mistakes. Being down double figures and coming back to win shows mental fortitude. It is also a credit to the coaching staff because if they panicked, the players would also.

I believe that as the season progresses, the players will become a more cohesive unit.[/quote]

You can't actively choose to not judge people. Sort of an oxymoron. People judge...it's innate. For right or for wrong it's a fact of life. That's why it's subconscious and not conscious. We all make snap judgments whether or not we like admitting it. It's part of being human. Some are more judgmental than others, but no one is judgment free. Also, sometimes perception is reality and sometimes perception is not reality. You can correctly perceive that someone doesn't like you and they may in fact not like you. It's better IMO to present yourself the best you can so you don't have to even risk having people combating negative perceptions. In other words, why allow the opportunity to be perceived incorrectly? Just wear a suit and tie. If your daughter comes up to you and says she wants to get a tattoo of a skull on her forehead, there's a reason your first impulse will be to say "no". IMO instead of telling other people not to negatively judge, try to avoid giving anyone a reason to. We can't escape it regardless one way or another, but you might as well try to put your best foot forward.

That being said, I will give Mullin credit for the toughness this team has displayed early on. Have to give credit where it's due in that regard.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=306153][quote="Marillac" post=306147][quote="we are sju" post=306141][quote="Marillac" post=306135][quote="we are sju" post=306114][quote="austour" post=306060]Just win ugly baby.[/quote]

See people are looking at this team the wrong way. Before season people were comparing this team to Artest Elite 8 team. One problem is this team is missing Ron Artest. Also missing Ty Grant. That team had TWO first round draft choices and 3 guys that played in the pros.
This team more closely resembles the Marcus Hatten Junior year team with a much more talented supporting cast. People got too carried away with Heron and LJ. Both are good players as is Simon but this team will go as far as Ponds will take us. I think Ponds has potential to be better than Hatten and as previously mentioned Ponds supporting cast is way better. I still think depending on match up this team can win a game or 2 in NCAA. As far as winning ugly, they are playing close games and might have the best closer in college basketball. We are what we are.[/quote]
To me this team most resembles the 99-00 Big East champions.

6'1 Barkley 6'1 Ponds
6'4 Bootsy 6'5 Heron
6'5 Postell 6'6 Figueroa
6'7 Jessie 6'5 Simon
6'6 Glover 6'7 Clark

6'3 Gray 6'2 Dixon
6'9 Emmanuel 6'9 Keita + 6'3 Trimble


99-00 went 7 deep. We can go 8. Neither had much size down low but a bevy of big wings.[/quote]

Postell, Glover and Jessie that year played bigger than their size and were a lot tougher than anyone on this roster. One main difference but not a bad comparison.
Again Herron, LJ and Simon are good but this is still far and away Ponds team. Ponds has done a GREAT job of letting the game come to him so far. If they supporting cast is playing well he slides into background. When they struggle he wins game for us. I just hope that those on here realize he can't do that all the time though. There is going to come a game where we need him to carry team to win and he won't be able to.[/quote]

Heron plays as hard and physical as anyone I've seen here. He's also the same height as Glover in reality. I also think Simon has the potential to be head and shoulders better than Jessie was. Very similar players actually...almost identical listed height and weight, neither shoot well, both fancy themselves as point-forwards and rack up aissts and turnovers, both can rebound well. Justin has standout athleticism though and Jessie didn't.

You won't get any argument from me that those Jarvis teams played more physical (with the exception of Heron), but this team is more skilled offensively.[/quote]

The 99-2000 comparison does have some merit. But beyond the physical differences as noted above (I think the 99-2000 team is/was better) the 99-2000 team played what I believe will be a significantly tougher CONFERENCE schedule with more opportunities for big wins and won many of those games. Put simply the BE was better then.

Just to revisit, the 99-00 team beat UCONN 3x that year including the BE Tourney final. UCONN was a 5 seed in the NCAA's that year. They beat the team that won the conference regular season, Syracuse a 4 seed in the NCAA's, at home. They beat Miami in the BE Tourney and Villanova in the first round. Miami was a 6 seed in the NCAA's and Villanova I believe was an 8 or 9. And of course the biggie, they became the LAST non-conference team to beat Duke at Cameron. That Duke team was a 1 seed. So that is 7 wins again NCAA teams, 6 of them against top 6 seeded teams, 4 of them against UCONN and Duke alone (who played each other for the NC just a year earlier).

That team got a 2 seed in the NCAA's. I am not convinced this conference will afford them the same opportunities unfortunately and considering how much they have struggled against weaker teams not sure this team could capitalize on most of those opportunities like the 99-2000 team did. Again this team should make the NCAA's but beyond that not sure how good they are yet.[/quote]

Small correction Seton Hall not Nova was a Tourney team (who SJU split with) while Nova, ND, Rutgers and Georgetown were NIT teams.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=306135][quote="we are sju" post=306114][quote="austour" post=306060]Just win ugly baby.[/quote]

See people are looking at this team the wrong way. Before season people were comparing this team to Artest Elite 8 team. One problem is this team is missing Ron Artest. Also missing Ty Grant. That team had TWO first round draft choices and 3 guys that played in the pros.
This team more closely resembles the Marcus Hatten Junior year team with a much more talented supporting cast. People got too carried away with Heron and LJ. Both are good players as is Simon but this team will go as far as Ponds will take us. I think Ponds has potential to be better than Hatten and as previously mentioned Ponds supporting cast is way better. I still think depending on match up this team can win a game or 2 in NCAA. As far as winning ugly, they are playing close games and might have the best closer in college basketball. We are what we are.[/quote]
To me this team most resembles the 99-00 Big East champions.

6'1 Barkley 6'1 Ponds
6'4 Bootsy 6'5 Heron
6'5 Postell 6'6 Figueroa
6'7 Jessie 6'5 Simon
6'6 Glover 6'7 Clark

6'3 Gray 6'2 Dixon
6'9 Emmanuel 6'9 Keita + 6'3 Trimble


99-00 went 7 deep. We can go 8. Neither had much size down low but a bevy of big wings.[/quote]

That's a great comparison but Pods doesn't remind me of either Marcus nor Erick. His most close comparison is Kemba Walker. They have super similar skill sets. Their jr. .year teams are pretty comparable too with the glaring exception being a rebounding beast. Here's a position by position rundown:

Kemba Walker Shamori Almost the same player
Jeremy Lamb Heron Heron more experienced
Alex Oriakhi Marv Oriakhi is the beast STJ needs
Shabazz Napier Dixon Obviously Napier is a big upgrade
Roscoe Smith Simon Simon doesn't have Roscoe's physicality but does more
Jamal Coombs-McDaniel LJ LJ is far superior
Charles Okwandu Keita Hope Keita can give more than Okwandu in 12-15 minutes per game upon his return
Giffey Trimble Both "shooters" who didn't shoot so well .

Now I don't think this team has a snowball's chance of winning the national title, but then again neither did that Yukon team going into the BET, having to play 5 games to win it. Oriakhi and Calhoun are the major differences between those teams. That team went 12-0 in non conference play, albeit with a tougher schedule that had 3 ranked teams including 2 top 10 teams in Maui, but then went 9-9 in BE play. However in March Kemba's play was much like Shamori's recent play where he simply took over and willed them to BET and NCAA titles.

Shamori is going to have to will this team to a lot of conference wins regular season and in the BET to even get to the NCAA tournament, let's hope he does.
 
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Glover was a junk yard dog. With an inside game and a good rebounder. Clark is a stretch 4 and more of a perimeter player.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=306160]Glover was a junk yard dog. With an inside game and a good rebounder. Clark is a stretch 4 and more of a perimeter player.[/quote]

Glover wasn't 6'6 either. 6'3 or 6'4 but he did have longer arms and was freakishly strong but still ran the floor well. My favorite Glover moment was him throwing around 7' Jake Voskuhl around like a rag doll.
 
[quote="austour" post=306158][quote="Marillac" post=306135][quote="we are sju" post=306114][quote="austour" post=306060]Just win ugly baby.[/quote]

See people are looking at this team the wrong way. Before season people were comparing this team to Artest Elite 8 team. One problem is this team is missing Ron Artest. Also missing Ty Grant. That team had TWO first round draft choices and 3 guys that played in the pros.
This team more closely resembles the Marcus Hatten Junior year team with a much more talented supporting cast. People got too carried away with Heron and LJ. Both are good players as is Simon but this team will go as far as Ponds will take us. I think Ponds has potential to be better than Hatten and as previously mentioned Ponds supporting cast is way better. I still think depending on match up this team can win a game or 2 in NCAA. As far as winning ugly, they are playing close games and might have the best closer in college basketball. We are what we are.[/quote]
To me this team most resembles the 99-00 Big East champions.

6'1 Barkley 6'1 Ponds
6'4 Bootsy 6'5 Heron
6'5 Postell 6'6 Figueroa
6'7 Jessie 6'5 Simon
6'6 Glover 6'7 Clark

6'3 Gray 6'2 Dixon
6'9 Emmanuel 6'9 Keita + 6'3 Trimble


99-00 went 7 deep. We can go 8. Neither had much size down low but a bevy of big wings.[/quote]

That's a great comparison but Pods doesn't remind me of either Marcus nor Erick. His most close comparison is Kemba Walker. They have super similar skill sets. Their jr. .year teams are pretty comparable too with the glaring exception being a rebounding beast. Here's a position by position rundown:

Kemba Walker Shamori Almost the same player
Jeremy Lamb Heron Heron more experienced
Alex Oriakhi Marv Oriakhi is the beast STJ needs
Shabazz Napier Dixon Obviously Napier is a big upgrade
Roscoe Smith Simon Simon doesn't have Roscoe's physicality but does more
Jamal Coombs-McDaniel LJ LJ is far superior
Charles Okwandu Keita Hope Keita can give more than Okwandu in 12-15 minutes per game upon his return
Giffey Trimble Both "shooters" who didn't shoot so well .

Now I don't think this team has a snowball's chance of winning the national title, but then again neither did that Yukon team going into the BET, having to play 5 games to win it. Oriakhi and Calhoun are the major differences between those teams. That team went 12-0 in non conference play, albeit with a tougher schedule that had 3 ranked teams including 2 top 10 teams in Maui, but then went 9-9 in BE play. However in March Kemba's play was much like Shamori's recent play where he simply took over and willed them to BET and NCAA titles.

Shamori is going to have to will this team to a lot of conference wins regular season and in the BET to even get to the NCAA tournament, let's hope he does.[/quote]

Again though that UCONN team was afforded more opportunities because the BE in 20010-11 was far better and far deeper. So even though that UCONN team "only" went 9-9 in the conference they p;roceeded to beat Georgetown (a NCAA 6 seed), Pitt (a no. 1 NCAA seed), Syracuse (3 NCAA seed), Louisville (4 NCAA seed) and they got a 3 seed in the NCAA's. To me the seeding is what is at stake with schedule.

In 5 days UCONN played 4 NCAA Tourney teams including a 1, 3, 4 and 6 seeds. 4 teams inside the top 24 seeding, 3 inside the top 16.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=306156][quote="panther2" post=306118][quote="Mike Zaun" post=306111]Agree it's not a huge deal obviously, but just stating the fact that attire clearly affects perception whether or not that perception is fair or truthful. That's an innate fact of humans. If this were not true, people would wear PJ's to job interviews and at work. So it's not true that it doesn't have any effect on perception. Many studies in psych haven't been replicated well but this one has. Of course Belicheck, Jobs, Gates, etc. are exceptions to the rule. It's a faulty comparison to Mullin though, because he does not yet have all that winning capital under him as a coach unless you think Mullin's as successful a coach as Bill Gates is a businessman. Not harping on this, just find it interesting being in the field of psychology.[/quote]



I am not a psychologist but I have an ungergraduate degree in Human Service and Counseling from St Johns and a Masters Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling from NYU. One of the first things that I learned was never to be "Judgmental". I also learned that Perception is not Reality.

I have been to many games on the West Coast where coaches dress the way our staff did on Saturday. Not sure why this is a problem.

All I know is at the present time, we are 7-0. Were all the games easy, hell no, but somehow the team had the resilience to play hard and overcome their mistakes. Being down double figures and coming back to win shows mental fortitude. It is also a credit to the coaching staff because if they panicked, the players would also.

I believe that as the season progresses, the players will become a more cohesive unit.[/quote]

You can't actively choose to not judge people. Sort of an oxymoron. People judge...it's innate. For right or for wrong it's a fact of life. That's why it's subconscious and not conscious. We all make snap judgments whether or not we like admitting it. It's part of being human. Some are more judgmental than others, but no one is judgment free. Also, sometimes perception is reality and sometimes perception is not reality. You can correctly perceive that someone doesn't like you and they may in fact not like you. It's better IMO to present yourself the best you can so you don't have to even risk having people combating negative perceptions. In other words, why allow the opportunity to be perceived incorrectly? Just wear a suit and tie. If your daughter comes up to you and says she wants to get a tattoo of a skull on her forehead, there's a reason your first impulse will be to say "no". IMO instead of telling other people not to negatively judge, try to avoid giving anyone a reason to. We can't escape it regardless one way or another, but you might as well try to put your best foot forward.

That being said, I will give Mullin credit for the toughness this team has displayed early on. Have to give credit where it's due in that regard.[/quote]



Mike, hopefully the following will clarify it for you. Trayvon Martin was a young Black kid with a hoodie walking in a predominantly, he is up to no good, he gets killed. A young Black boy was in a store looking at an Air rifle, cops called, Black youth with a gun, he gets killed by the responding officer. More recently a Black Security officer stops a shooting in a club and is subduing the shooter, Black man with a gun, he gets killed by the responding officer. This is the danger of allowing perception to become reality.

Mike, when I see homeless people on the street, I don't judge them because I don't know how or why they ended up there. I have seen people who owned homes and then had the companies they worked for close or downsize and they ended up losing their homes. This is especially true for factory workers and those in the automobile industry.

Before I retired, a young Caucasian woman came into the hospital that I worked for homeless and strung out on heroin. When I spoke to her, I found out that she had been on a soccer scholarship at a University in Connecticut. She had an ACL and other injuries to her knee during her sophmore year. After surgery, she was prescribed painkillers and became addicted. Her family did not have insurance that would cover detox and rehab. The school would not pay for it either. She turned to heroin and ended up on the streets.

I am not sure what part of the Psychology field you are employed in, but hopefully you will learn that being judgmental and confusing perception with reality, is not healthy when working in the mental health field. It took me a while to figure this out also.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=306167][quote="austour" post=306158][quote="Marillac" post=306135][quote="we are sju" post=306114][quote="austour" post=306060]Just win ugly baby.[/quote]

See people are looking at this team the wrong way. Before season people were comparing this team to Artest Elite 8 team. One problem is this team is missing Ron Artest. Also missing Ty Grant. That team had TWO first round draft choices and 3 guys that played in the pros.
This team more closely resembles the Marcus Hatten Junior year team with a much more talented supporting cast. People got too carried away with Heron and LJ. Both are good players as is Simon but this team will go as far as Ponds will take us. I think Ponds has potential to be better than Hatten and as previously mentioned Ponds supporting cast is way better. I still think depending on match up this team can win a game or 2 in NCAA. As far as winning ugly, they are playing close games and might have the best closer in college basketball. We are what we are.[/quote]
To me this team most resembles the 99-00 Big East champions.

6'1 Barkley 6'1 Ponds
6'4 Bootsy 6'5 Heron
6'5 Postell 6'6 Figueroa
6'7 Jessie 6'5 Simon
6'6 Glover 6'7 Clark

6'3 Gray 6'2 Dixon
6'9 Emmanuel 6'9 Keita + 6'3 Trimble


99-00 went 7 deep. We can go 8. Neither had much size down low but a bevy of big wings.[/quote]

That's a great comparison but Pods doesn't remind me of either Marcus nor Erick. His most close comparison is Kemba Walker. They have super similar skill sets. Their jr. .year teams are pretty comparable too with the glaring exception being a rebounding beast. Here's a position by position rundown:

Kemba Walker Shamori Almost the same player
Jeremy Lamb Heron Heron more experienced
Alex Oriakhi Marv Oriakhi is the beast STJ needs
Shabazz Napier Dixon Obviously Napier is a big upgrade
Roscoe Smith Simon Simon doesn't have Roscoe's physicality but does more
Jamal Coombs-McDaniel LJ LJ is far superior
Charles Okwandu Keita Hope Keita can give more than Okwandu in 12-15 minutes per game upon his return
Giffey Trimble Both "shooters" who didn't shoot so well .

Now I don't think this team has a snowball's chance of winning the national title, but then again neither did that Yukon team going into the BET, having to play 5 games to win it. Oriakhi and Calhoun are the major differences between those teams. That team went 12-0 in non conference play, albeit with a tougher schedule that had 3 ranked teams including 2 top 10 teams in Maui, but then went 9-9 in BE play. However in March Kemba's play was much like Shamori's recent play where he simply took over and willed them to BET and NCAA titles.

Shamori is going to have to will this team to a lot of conference wins regular season and in the BET to even get to the NCAA tournament, let's hope he does.[/quote]

Again though that UCONN team was afforded more opportunities because the BE in 20010-11 was far better and far deeper. So even though that UCONN team "only" went 9-9 in the conference they p;roceeded to beat Georgetown (a NCAA 6 seed), Pitt (a no. 1 NCAA seed), Syracuse (3 NCAA seed), Louisville (4 NCAA seed) and they got a 3 seed in the NCAA's. To me the seeding is what is at stake with schedule.

In 5 days UCONN played 4 NCAA Tourney teams including a 1, 3, 4 and 6 seeds. 4 teams inside the top 24 seeding, 3 inside the top 16.[/quote]

They also were tourney tough because they had to play a full tough BE slate of conference games, even if they didn't break .500 in them. I did not mean to imply that this STJ team could get into the dance with a 9-9 record. That UConn team, though in 11th place in conference, was actually ranked in the top 25 going into the BET. They had assured themselves a place in the dance after 2 wins in the BET no doubt. A 9-9 record for this year's team could mean they'd at least have to be competitive in the finals to get considered.
 
[quote="panther2" post=306169][quote="Mike Zaun" post=306156][quote="panther2" post=306118][quote="Mike Zaun" post=306111]Agree it's not a huge deal obviously, but just stating the fact that attire clearly affects perception whether or not that perception is fair or truthful. That's an innate fact of humans. If this were not true, people would wear PJ's to job interviews and at work. So it's not true that it doesn't have any effect on perception. Many studies in psych haven't been replicated well but this one has. Of course Belicheck, Jobs, Gates, etc. are exceptions to the rule. It's a faulty comparison to Mullin though, because he does not yet have all that winning capital under him as a coach unless you think Mullin's as successful a coach as Bill Gates is a businessman. Not harping on this, just find it interesting being in the field of psychology.[/quote]



I am not a psychologist but I have an ungergraduate degree in Human Service and Counseling from St Johns and a Masters Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling from NYU. One of the first things that I learned was never to be "Judgmental". I also learned that Perception is not Reality.

I have been to many games on the West Coast where coaches dress the way our staff did on Saturday. Not sure why this is a problem.

All I know is at the present time, we are 7-0. Were all the games easy, hell no, but somehow the team had the resilience to play hard and overcome their mistakes. Being down double figures and coming back to win shows mental fortitude. It is also a credit to the coaching staff because if they panicked, the players would also.

I believe that as the season progresses, the players will become a more cohesive unit.[/quote]

You can't actively choose to not judge people. Sort of an oxymoron. People judge...it's innate. For right or for wrong it's a fact of life. That's why it's subconscious and not conscious. We all make snap judgments whether or not we like admitting it. It's part of being human. Some are more judgmental than others, but no one is judgment free. Also, sometimes perception is reality and sometimes perception is not reality. You can correctly perceive that someone doesn't like you and they may in fact not like you. It's better IMO to present yourself the best you can so you don't have to even risk having people combating negative perceptions. In other words, why allow the opportunity to be perceived incorrectly? Just wear a suit and tie. If your daughter comes up to you and says she wants to get a tattoo of a skull on her forehead, there's a reason your first impulse will be to say "no". IMO instead of telling other people not to negatively judge, try to avoid giving anyone a reason to. We can't escape it regardless one way or another, but you might as well try to put your best foot forward.

That being said, I will give Mullin credit for the toughness this team has displayed early on. Have to give credit where it's due in that regard.[/quote]



Mike, hopefully the following will clarify it for you. Trayvon Martin was a young Black kid with a hoodie walking in a predominantly, he is up to no good, he gets killed. A young Black boy was in a store looking at an Air rifle, cops called, Black youth with a gun, he gets killed by the responding officer. More recently a Black Security officer stops a shooting in a club and is subduing the shooter, Black man with a gun, he gets killed by the responding officer. This is the danger of allowing perception to become reality.

Mike, when I see homeless people on the street, I don't judge them because I don't know how or why they ended up there. I have seen people who owned homes and then had the companies they worked for close or downsize and they ended up losing their homes. This is especially true for factory workers and those in the automobile industry.

Before I retired, a young Caucasian woman came into the hospital that I worked for homeless and strung out on heroin. When I spoke to her, I found out that she had been on a soccer scholarship at a University in Connecticut. She had an ACL and other injuries to her knee during her sophmore year. After surgery, she was prescribed painkillers and became addicted. Her family did not have insurance that would cover detox and rehab. The school would not pay for it either. She turned to heroin and ended up on the streets.

I am not sure what part of the Psychology field you are employed in, but hopefully you will learn that being judgmental and confusing perception with reality, is not healthy when working in the mental health field. It took me a while to figure this out also.[/quote]

This is taking a different turn, so I'm not going to get too into the hot-button stuff but yes those were all tragedies...each one was very sad. In some cases you have a lunatic with an itchy trigger finger. In some cases you get a lunatic cop who escalates the situation. In other cases you have people making very poor choices that get themselves into major trouble and the cops are forced to respond and make split second decisions. Be fair though and also look to the 5 Dallas police officers who were shot and killed one by one execution style because some lunatic pre-judged them and assumed they were evil people. It goes both ways and I agree that it's important not to judge as much as we can help it. As I said, it can be helped to an extent but unfortunately humans are not perfect creatures and never will be. That doesn't mean we can't keep trying of course. We're looking at the end of the spectrum examples here regarding judging others, however I will have to agree to disagree respectfully, not sure why asking a coach to dress professionally is a big deal. Many professions already expect it and understand the importance. Thanks for the reply Panther, I enjoy the discussion.

I was recently walking through a parking lot at night and there were only a few cars left. I saw a woman sitting in her car and I purposely did not get too close to her car, because I did not want her to perceive me as a threat as a man in a parking lot at night. I could've obviously gotten right up next to the car and if she stared at me suspiciously or fearfully, I could've lectured her about not judging people and how I have the right to do whatever I wanted. Obviously I had no ill intent if I walked close to the car, but I knew how she would perceive it most likely. So I walked the long way back to my car to avoid it.
 
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