(Miami Invit) Georgia Tech, Sat. Dec. 1, 12 Noon, ESPNU / 570 WMCA

[quote="Room112" post=306016][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=306013][quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote] Your correct, as usual the lack of bigs is a our achellis heal. Untill Keata returns Clark is going to have to be careful w fouling. He shouldn’t be going for steals and no excuse for fouling away from basket. Let’s hope we get a healthy Keata back by BE time.[/quote]

Call me crazy, but I believe the whole lack of a big man thing is overblown. Just look at the Georgia Tech stats, we had 10 offensive rebounds which is two more than them.

Additionally, every single game we have a huge advantage in forced turnovers. Because of all of our guards, we are able to create those turnovers and get plenty of steals.

Also, what we lack in an inside game, we have a huge advantage at the three point arc. Just about our whole rotation is a legit three point threat.[/quote]
I think you minimize challenge of undersized guys like Clark getting into foul trouble guarding legitimate bigs (with nothing behind him until Keita returns) & bigger post guys kicking out on collapsing defenses for very good perimeter three point looks. Not the end of the world, but something that can’t be easily dismissed either imo.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=306018][quote="Room112" post=306016][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=306013][quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote] Your correct, as usual the lack of bigs is a our achellis heal. Untill Keata returns Clark is going to have to be careful w fouling. He shouldn’t be going for steals and no excuse for fouling away from basket. Let’s hope we get a healthy Keata back by BE time.[/quote]

Call me crazy, but I believe the whole lack of a big man thing is overblown. Just look at the Georgia Tech stats, we had 10 offensive rebounds which is two more than them.

Additionally, every single game we have a huge advantage in forced turnovers. Because of all of our guards, we are able to create those turnovers and get plenty of steals.

Also, what we lack in an inside game, we have a huge advantage at the three point arc. Just about our whole rotation is a legit three point threat.[/quote]
I think you minimize challenge of undersized guys like Clark getting into foul trouble guarding legitimate bigs (with nothing behind him until Keita returns) & bigger post guys kicking out on collapsing defenses for very good perimeter three point looks. Not the end of the world, but something that can’t be easily dismissed either imo.[/quote]

Very fair points. But did you see the job Heron was able to do denying Banks the ball while we made our run in the last 10 minutes?

But trust me, I know we're better when we have someone like Keita out there. I fully believe Clark is out of sync due to what he's being asked on defense.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=305988][quote="Marillac" post=305941][quote="Delaware" post=305938][quote="Ray Morgan" post=305875][quote="Johnnie Drama" post=305810]What a weird game to go to at a venue like that. There were probably only about 750-1000 in the crowd but everyone there was supporting SJU except for about a group of 20. Shoutout to those sitting in 107, ha. Not a pretty game, but Shamorie did his thing and carried them to a W along with SJU putting the clamps down on D and hitting the boards in the stretch run.[/quote]

I was in 107 but only saw a handful of SJU fans. Everyone gathered at the outside bar overlooking the cruise ships after the game. I met Tarik Turner and Ty Grant, both really nice guys. Also the director of alumni relations Mark Andrews, who introduced me to Tarik and Ty. Watching Ponds live for the first time was a special experience. Almost lost my mind watching the missed foul shots and the silly foul near the end. A really nice comeback win.

I stayed around to see Texas Tech to watch Owens. He played a great last 6 or 8 minutes. I'm not one of those fans that turns on a player because he transfers. Tariq played hard for us for 2 seasons, and I'm sure has the bruises to show for it.[/quote]

Owens' father must be having fun time watching this big man-less team struggle in the paint.[/quote]

You must be his father if that's what you think. We struggled in the paint both years that string bean played here and were outrebounded almost every game. We're 7-0 without him and are on our way to becoming the second team to dance after he left them. And for what? He's not getting the shots or the role he traded his loyalty for. Good riddance.[/quote]

I don't disagree with anything you said. Just wondering what his father was thinking yesterday watching us trying to contain Banks. I'm not sure he could have done much better either.[/quote]

Owens had 5 blocks yesterday. Clark had 5 fouls. Clark is a non factor inside on both offense and defense.
Owens was able to move quickly to block shots while Clark is slow off his feet. Owens would have been a difference maker on this team had he accepted whatever role coach Mullin had for him. Unfortunately, he chose not to be a team player and right or wrong made a decision to try a different program.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=306024][quote="Delaware" post=305988][quote="Marillac" post=305941][quote="Delaware" post=305938][quote="Ray Morgan" post=305875][quote="Johnnie Drama" post=305810]What a weird game to go to at a venue like that. There were probably only about 750-1000 in the crowd but everyone there was supporting SJU except for about a group of 20. Shoutout to those sitting in 107, ha. Not a pretty game, but Shamorie did his thing and carried them to a W along with SJU putting the clamps down on D and hitting the boards in the stretch run.[/quote]

I was in 107 but only saw a handful of SJU fans. Everyone gathered at the outside bar overlooking the cruise ships after the game. I met Tarik Turner and Ty Grant, both really nice guys. Also the director of alumni relations Mark Andrews, who introduced me to Tarik and Ty. Watching Ponds live for the first time was a special experience. Almost lost my mind watching the missed foul shots and the silly foul near the end. A really nice comeback win.

I stayed around to see Texas Tech to watch Owens. He played a great last 6 or 8 minutes. I'm not one of those fans that turns on a player because he transfers. Tariq played hard for us for 2 seasons, and I'm sure has the bruises to show for it.[/quote]

Owens' father must be having fun time watching this big man-less team struggle in the paint.[/quote]

You must be his father if that's what you think. We struggled in the paint both years that string bean played here and were outrebounded almost every game. We're 7-0 without him and are on our way to becoming the second team to dance after he left them. And for what? He's not getting the shots or the role he traded his loyalty for. Good riddance.[/quote]

I don't disagree with anything you said. Just wondering what his father was thinking yesterday watching us trying to contain Banks. I'm not sure he could have done much better either.[/quote]

Owens had 5 blocks yesterday. Clark had 5 fouls. Clark is a non factor inside on both offense and defense. Clark was able to move quickly to block shots while Clark is slow off his feet. Owens would have been a difference maker on this team had he accepted whatever role coach Mullin had for him. Unfortunately, he chose not to be a team player and right or wrong made a decision to try a different program.[/quote]

After watching Texas tech play 3 times, Owens has less freedom in the offense than he did at St. John's. Plus his coach seems to curse and scream plenty. That isn't fun. But he completely changed the game in the last 5 minutes, blocking everything, scoring down low off of nice feeds, hitting foul shots, and doing it all with 4 fouls.
 
Was at Hershey Park. Left to take shuttle to park and ST John's was up 24-17. Looked at phone when got off shuttle and we were losing by n17. Periodically checked phone in park and kept seeing us losing by 12-15. And even though it was rainy and miserable I was mostly happy I was not reading what was on here. While on line for one of the only open roller coasters looked at phone and saw we won. So only watched first 10 minutes of game but in my book good win !

People still think Heron and LJ are our best players? LOL
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=305955][quote="Delaware" post=305928]Just watching this debacle after being out all day. What a disgrace in so many ways. Oh, and by the way, the casual look by Mullin really is piss poor. Show a little more respect for the position and the university and look the damn part, especially on the road.[/quote]

You're a troll just trying to get attention[/quote]

Who made you king? Dissenting opinions not allowed?
 
[quote="we are sju" post=306029]Was at Hershey Park. Left to take shuttle to park and ST John's was up 24-17. Looked at phone when got off shuttle and we were losing by n17. Periodically checked phone in park and kept seeing us losing by 12-15. And even though it was rainy and miserable I was mostly happy I was not reading what was on here. While on line for one of the only open roller coasters looked at phone and saw we won. So only watched first 10 minutes of game but in my book good win !

People still think Heron and LJ are our best players? LOL[/quote]

While Shamorie has God given talent you can't coach, the other two have the all around talent to be very good complimentary players to Slick. Everyone else on the team needs to be coached up including Simon and Clark. Our only flaw is size but it is apparently being remedied in about 4 weeks. Still think Josh Roberts will develop sooner rather than later because you can't coach size and athleticism.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=306018][quote="Room112" post=306016][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=306013][quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote] Your correct, as usual the lack of bigs is a our achellis heal. Untill Keata returns Clark is going to have to be careful w fouling. He shouldn’t be going for steals and no excuse for fouling away from basket. Let’s hope we get a healthy Keata back by BE time.[/quote]

Call me crazy, but I believe the whole lack of a big man thing is overblown. Just look at the Georgia Tech stats, we had 10 offensive rebounds which is two more than them.

Additionally, every single game we have a huge advantage in forced turnovers. Because of all of our guards, we are able to create those turnovers and get plenty of steals.

Also, what we lack in an inside game, we have a huge advantage at the three point arc. Just about our whole rotation is a legit three point threat.[/quote]
I think you minimize challenge of undersized guys like Clark getting into foul trouble guarding legitimate bigs (with nothing behind him until Keita returns) & bigger post guys kicking out on collapsing defenses for very good perimeter three point looks. Not the end of the world, but something that can’t be easily dismissed either imo.[/quote]

My best guess is that Clark picks up 2/3's of his fouls on silly reach ins and overplaying perimeter players. I don't think he fouls bigs at a large clip.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=306010][quote="Section9" post=306000][quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]


Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote]

Just because a guy's 6'11" (Owens) doesn't mean he's going to be a good interior defender. He wasn't, plain and simple. He got pushed around when bigs backed him down, was too intent on blocking shots to box out and rebound consistently and on the offensive end was never an option in the post in the 1/2 court offense, He was happy hoisting up threes and looking for the highlight reel block.

Let's hope Keita comes back sound and is ready to be an interior presence for us who doesn't get foul happy. Roberts may have potential, but from what I've seen so far he is a long term project who could develop by his junior year. Maybe Steere will get that first semester back for next season.[/quote]

Exactly. He got backed down like he was on ice skates every game for two years. He was great with the help, but he was a below average rebounder.

We were outplayed and outrebounded almost every game he appeared.

Now we've got guys who fight for position, we don't expect blocks, we rebound BETTER, we have an identity, and we actuall get something on offense. It'd be nice to have a guy that can come in and stop big men for 15 mpg...maybe that's Keita. It wasn't Owens.[/quote]\
So far this season, we're averaging 2 blocks per game; Owens is averaging 3.3 blocks. As for being a better rebounding team this, so far it's a washout: we're averaging 34 per game this year; last year it was 33.6. Of course the 34 rpg have come against some cupcake competition; we'll see what happens when conference play begins. Also, it should be pointed out that we've added Heron and Figueroa this year, and they're averaging 13 rpg between them.
 
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[quote="MCNPA" post=305991][quote="redken" post=305990][quote="Mean Gene" post=305904][quote="redken" post=305900][quote="johnny redman" post=305852] ... Mullin really loves St Johns this cant be said for some of our posters. ...[/quote]
Think you might want to reconsider that statement. Regardless of any bitching or moaning -- something we're all guilty of at times -- I can't think of a single poster on who doesn't love SJU basketball and who and lives and dies with the team.[/quote]

Agreed Redken, I think the reason why some of us are so wound up so early on this season is because of our week OOC schedule. We all know that in order for this team to reach their goal of an NCAA Tournament berth they really can’t afford a loss OOC to lesser team. It could potentially be devastating. I just want to get through this early OOC schedule unscathed so that will gives us the team the easiest path towards reaching their goals. Otherwise , it pretty much either win the Big East or Big East Tournament or beat Duke to make up for for that horrible OOC loss. I don’t want to see us in that position. So far so good, love the fight in this team. We need Heron , Figgy and Clark to be more consistent. I know they won’t be lights out every game but we need a consistent level of play from night in and night out. Ponds can’t play hero every game. I think Trimble will find his game again when Keita comes back and Roberts get more experience so he can go back to the role that was originally meant for him. Not battling 6’10 guys down low.[/quote]
Hate to say it -- and I hope I'm wrong -- but unless Keita, who's a question mark, and/or Roberts, who's an even bigger question mark, gives us some serious defensive help inside, we're going to have big problems once the "real season" begins. As I stated elsewhere, the of loss of Owens was a huge blow.[/quote]

I think we will be fine once we get Keita back. All depends if he’s fully healthy. He’s big, athletic and a solid defender. He also gives us another 5 fouls and allows us to play Clark where we want him more. Let’s alll just hope his knee gets to near100% in the next few weeks.[/quote]
That's a lot of hoping to do ... we also have to hope that, if healthy, Keita shows a lot more with us than he did with the Gamecocks. In fact, we might have to throw in some prayers to go with our hopes. :)
 
[quote="Delaware" post=306031][quote="Beast of the East" post=305955][quote="Delaware" post=305928]Just watching this debacle after being out all day. What a disgrace in so many ways. Oh, and by the way, the casual look by Mullin really is piss poor. Show a little more respect for the position and the university and look the damn part, especially on the road.[/quote]

You're a troll just trying to get attention[/quote]

Who made you king? Dissenting opinions not allowed?[/quote]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is a sports forum. Sure I need to relax at times myself admittedly with the highs and lows of games, but there's no reason to make things personal. When I get frustrated, it's towards the team because I know how much talent we have and we have not played up to it thus far, however I hope we start to gel more soon and being 7-0 we are right on track where we wanted to be record wise.

Didn't MJMAHER recently make a thread about not getting personal and coming together as one? I mean, we all love this team...I consider everyone on here a diehard. Can we please stop making personal attacks because people have differing opinions? I don't question anyone's fandom and I've had meetings with administration several times driving from Suffolk County to Queens after work about how to get more arses in seats at games just because I care that much. I'm not saying that to get a pat on the back, I'm saying that to those who lash out and question if I'm a fan or not of this team. We are 7-0 and we have questions still, but we made it through the tough part of OOC so far (other than Duke obviously). We will not agree on everything and I still respect those who don't agree with mine...that's fine. We are all in this together and we all have different tolerance for the highs and lows during games. I'll be the first to admit mine needs some work but it comes from a good place. Let's stick together and get off each other's throats a bit.
 
Great to be in December and undefeated; while schedule may have been a bit soft we all know how easy it would have been to drop one (or more) of these games. I took a look at our next five opponents (rosters, stats & schedule/games to date) and it's really hard to see how we can lose to any of them absent a real meltdown. St. Francis did give BC a decent game and shoots the three well (37%), they'd appear to be the biggest "threat".
However, imho anyone who doesn't think we absolutely will need good minutes from Keita in BE play is a bit delusional.
 
[quote="CBA1992" post=306044]Owens has 8 blocks yesterday - not 5[/quote]
And we have 15 in seven games. Hmm.
 
Something interesting about this game is the win probability during the second half. It just shows how little chance we had to win this game but still won.

With 16:44 left and Georgia Tech up 16, they had a 94% chance of winning.

With 6:24 left in the game at GT up 7, they had an 85% chance of winning.

With 4:44 left and GT up 6 they had an 80% chance to win.

We ended up taking the lead about a minute later and never looked back, it was a wild swing of events.
 
[quote="Delaware" post=306031][quote="Beast of the East" post=305955][quote="Delaware" post=305928]Just watching this debacle after being out all day. What a disgrace in so many ways. Oh, and by the way, the casual look by Mullin really is piss poor. Show a little more respect for the position and the university and look the damn part, especially on the road.[/quote]

You're a troll just trying to get attention[/quote]

Who made you king? Dissenting opinions not allowed?[/quote]

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[quote="Room112" post=306047]Something interesting about this game is the win probability during the second half. It just shows how little chance we had to win this game but still won.

With 16:44 left and Georgia Tech up 16, they had a 94% chance of winning.

With 6:24 left in the game at GT up 7, they had an 85% chance of winning.

With 4:44 left and GT up 6 they had an 80% chance to win.

We ended up taking the lead about a minute later and never looked back, it was a wild swing of events.[/quote]

Did you look up our chance of winning when we were up 7 with 45 seconds to go? Had to be high nineties. Yet GT had 2 chances to tie in last 20 seconds. The three and foul shooting woes makes the college game interesting until the final buzzer.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=306038][quote="Delaware" post=306031][quote="Beast of the East" post=305955][quote="Delaware" post=305928]Just watching this debacle after being out all day. What a disgrace in so many ways. Oh, and by the way, the casual look by Mullin really is piss poor. Show a little more respect for the position and the university and look the damn part, especially on the road.[/quote]

You're a troll just trying to get attention[/quote]

Who made you king? Dissenting opinions not allowed?[/quote]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is a sports forum. Sure I need to relax at times myself admittedly with the highs and lows of games, but there's no reason to make things personal. When I get frustrated, it's towards the team because I know how much talent we have and we have not played up to it thus far, however I hope we start to gel more soon and being 7-0 we are right on track where we wanted to be record wise.

Didn't MJMAHER recently make a thread about not getting personal and coming together as one? I mean, we all love this team...I consider everyone on here a diehard. Can we please stop making personal attacks because people have differing opinions? I don't question anyone's fandom and I've had meetings with administration several times driving from Suffolk County to Queens after work about how to get more arses in seats at games just because I care that much. I'm not saying that to get a pat on the back, I'm saying that to those who lash out and question if I'm a fan or not of this team. We are 7-0 and we have questions still, but we made it through the tough part of OOC so far (other than Duke obviously). We will not agree on everything and I still respect those who don't agree with mine...that's fine. We are all in this together and we all have different tolerance for the highs and lows during games. I'll be the first to admit mine needs some work but it comes from a good place. Let's stick together and get off each other's throats a bit.[/quote]

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[quote="Ray Morgan" post=306052][quote="Room112" post=306047]Something interesting about this game is the win probability during the second half. It just shows how little chance we had to win this game but still won.

With 16:44 left and Georgia Tech up 16, they had a 94% chance of winning.

With 6:24 left in the game at GT up 7, they had an 85% chance of winning.

With 4:44 left and GT up 6 they had an 80% chance to win.

We ended up taking the lead about a minute later and never looked back, it was a wild swing of events.[/quote]

Did you look up our chance of winning when we were up 7 with 45 seconds to go? Had to be high nineties. Yet GT had 2 chances to tie in last 20 seconds. The three and foul shooting woes makes the college game interesting until the final buzzer.[/quote]

Yep, when we were up 7 it was at 98% chance for us to win. Believe it or not, even when they cut it to 2 in the last minute, our chance to win was still at 89%. That's the lowest it would get.
 
[quote="CBA1992" post=306044]Owens has 8 blocks yesterday - not 5[/quote]

Yes I know but I took literary license so it would match Clark's 5 fouls. Unfortunately Marvin plays small for a guy 6'7. Ty Grant he is not!:whistle:
 
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