(Miami Invit) Georgia Tech, Sat. Dec. 1, 12 Noon, ESPNU / 570 WMCA

[quote="Eric Williamson" post=305793][quote="sjc88" post=305788][quote="Eric Williamson" post=305779][quote="sjc88" post=305757][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=305747][quote="sjc88" post=305741]OK....I have a serious question. Shouldn't the foul on Moore been a dead ball intentional foul? Meaning Two shots SJU AND Possession??? I played basketball all my life and have never seen a foul prior to an inbound that is not considered Intentional? Did the rule change???
Games could be extended indefinitely?[/quote]
I thought it was a dicey situation as well[/quote]
Always my understanding that you cannot just grab and hold prior to inbound or commit foul prior to inbound?[/quote]

I believe it all goes back to intent. Whether the ball is in play or not is irrelevant. At least that was always my understanding. If you foul someone while fighting through a screen on an inbounds play, that is not an intentional foul.[/quote]
Thanks. If that's the case I'm teaching my players to run through those screens! Do there best Hollywood hands flying in the air. No time elapsed works for the trailing team. Learn something new everyday. Seems like a rules loophole.[/quote]

There again, it all goes back to intent. Plowing through a screen by what is deemed a 'basketball move/play' is different than plowing through a screen by shoving a forearm into the other players throat. It's really up to the discretion of the ref. When a team is trailing late and has to foul, isn't every foul intentional?[/quote]
That's why I threw in their best Hollywood.;)
 
In any event;
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[quote="ron s m" post=305630][quote="Jack Williams" post=305613]Banks our worst nightmare, true big man, but athletic enough that we can expose him on the other end with our quickness. A problem[/quote]

It will not be pretty when we play Duke![/quote]
We thought same thing last year. Never know.

With us it’s day to day...we can beat most, if not all teams and we can lose to anyone. That’s the drawback of the pro style offense. When we are off from outside, it’s ugly.
 
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Big plate of crow to eat...what a crazy game yet again but what a great comeback. Down 16 and rallied. Once again Ponds did it himself pretty much. Dixon's defense was very underrated late and did not allow Alvarado to get past him. We really locked down on D when it mattered late in 2nd which is why we got the W thankfully. Today was a story of 2 totally different halves. Families argue and then they come together to celebrate good things, so spare me the "dude you are the worst person ever" BS from the Mullin can do no wrong crowd. I think it's pretty clear that our coaching is poor, however we are finding ways to win in spite of it which is pretty impressive. Our talent keeps bailing us out late in games and we are now 7-0 which is awesome. It's very ugly and they're cardiac kids, but it's another win.

I really hope we can clean a ton of stuff up against the cupcakes. We still have to be weary of a scrappy Princeton team coming up. One game at a time and I hope the wins get prettier. We need to start playing 2 complete halves of good, solid team basketball. This way we avoid getting into big holes against inferior teams. Shocked Alvarado just resorted to bad iso shots late instead of dishing to their big men to get easy layups. They destroyed us doing that.

Say what you want about me, we are all glad they won. Survive and advance.
 
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Memo to SJU athletics dept: need to get these produced in red for a giveaway this season. [attachment=535]Sham-box.jpg[/attachment] [attachment=535]Sham-box.jpg[/attachment]
 
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=305644]Simon, Heron, Fig all having off games. Clark out for most of the first half. Worst shooting of the year and down 9. Gtch totally controlled tempo. Knocking Ponds is not the answer. He played well and tried to get others involved. They just missed everything.[/quote]
Watching Ponds this year, it seems that on the nights when the other guys are feeling it, he will defer and play distributor and does it very well. When the others are struggling, Ponds recognizes that he has to take over.

IMO, only negative comment I can make about Ponds is tendency to pound ball at the top of key and end up with a bad shot.doesnt do it often but when he does our O comes to a crawl.
 
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What a weird game to go to at a venue like that. There were probably only about 750-1000 in the crowd but everyone there was supporting SJU except for about a group of 20. Shoutout to those sitting in 107, ha. Not a pretty game, but Shamorie did his thing and carried them to a W along with SJU putting the clamps down on D and hitting the boards in the stretch run.
 
The pressure defense turned this game around.

That's another reason I'd like to see Mullin extend the bench. Not just for height, but he could press more often, even by just giving more minutes to Roberts and Williams.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=305805]Big plate of crow to eat...what a crazy game yet again but what a great comeback. Down 16 and rallied. Once again Ponds did it himself pretty much. Dixon's defense was very underrated late and did not allow Alvarado to get past him. We really locked down on D when it mattered late in 2nd which is why we got the W thankfully. Today was a story of 2 totally different halves. Families argue and then they come together to celebrate good things, so spare me the "dude you are the worst person ever" BS from the Mullin can do no wrong crowd. I think it's pretty clear that our coaching is poor, however we are finding ways to win in spite of it which is pretty impressive. Our talent keeps bailing us out late in games and we are now 7-0 which is awesome. It's very ugly and they're cardiac kids, but it's another win.

I really hope we can clean a ton of stuff up against the cupcakes. We still have to be weary of a scrappy Princeton team coming up. One game at a time and I hope the wins get prettier. We need to start playing 2 complete halves of good, solid team basketball. This way we avoid getting into big holes against inferior teams. Shocked Alvarado just resorted to bad iso shots late instead of dishing to their big men to get easy layups. They destroyed us doing that.

Say what you want about me, we are all glad they won. Survive and advance.[/quote]

The REALLY DOUCHIE thing about posts like this is that instead of just eating crow you still have to take shots. That my friend is NOT eating crow. That is covering your ass with lip service. Eating crow is a humble realization. Who exactly are the "Mulin can do no wrong crowd" and then another shot about how obvious it is that our team is poorly coached. That is your opinion. The facts are increasing just the opposite but it would take a little genuine humility to understand and accept that.
 
[quote="Johnnie Drama" post=305810]What a weird game to go to at a venue like that. There were probably only about 750-1000 in the crowd but everyone there was supporting SJU except for about a group of 20. Shoutout to those sitting in 107, ha. Not a pretty game, but Shamorie did his thing and carried them to a W along with SJU putting the clamps down on D and hitting the boards in the stretch run.[/quote]
It was a good experience for the team and fans. Gets us ready for the Noon or 10:25 pm game we are going to play in Albuquerque (or wherever) during the NCAA Tournament!
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=305814][quote="Mike Zaun" post=305805]Big plate of crow to eat...what a crazy game yet again but what a great comeback. Down 16 and rallied. Once again Ponds did it himself pretty much. Dixon's defense was very underrated late and did not allow Alvarado to get past him. We really locked down on D when it mattered late in 2nd which is why we got the W thankfully. Today was a story of 2 totally different halves. Families argue and then they come together to celebrate good things, so spare me the "dude you are the worst person ever" BS from the Mullin can do no wrong crowd. I think it's pretty clear that our coaching is poor, however we are finding ways to win in spite of it which is pretty impressive. Our talent keeps bailing us out late in games and we are now 7-0 which is awesome. It's very ugly and they're cardiac kids, but it's another win.

I really hope we can clean a ton of stuff up against the cupcakes. We still have to be weary of a scrappy Princeton team coming up. One game at a time and I hope the wins get prettier. We need to start playing 2 complete halves of good, solid team basketball. This way we avoid getting into big holes against inferior teams. Shocked Alvarado just resorted to bad iso shots late instead of dishing to their big men to get easy layups. They destroyed us doing that.

Say what you want about me, we are all glad they won. Survive and advance.[/quote]

The REALLY DOUCHIE thing about posts like this is that instead of just eating crow you still have to take shots. That my friend is NOT eating crow. That is covering your ass with lip service. Eating crow is a humble realization. Who exactly are the "Mulin can do no wrong crowd" and then another shot about how obvious it is that our team is poorly coached. That is your opinion. The facts are increasing just the opposite but it would take a little genuine humility to understand and accept that.[/quote]

It would also take a little brains and class , two areas in which he is clearly lacking.
I really don’t know who the “Mullin can do no wrong crowd is “ on this board. No one is happy with our high school recruiting and other than the Rutgers game everyone feels/believes we could play better.
However , there are many on this board who believe we let the season play out and see how the team ends up before we repeat ad nauseum that the sky has fallen and SJU men’s bball is dead and buried. We have a very talented team that was assembled through very unorthodox means , transfers and jc transfers and it appears we are continuing to go in that direction. Our coach seems to be more and more engaged as time goes on and the players are learning to play with one another. Remember Ponds, Simon and Clark only played together for a total of one season and we have 4 high quality players signed for next year. the doom and gloom is neither merited or appreciated at this point in time.
 
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I didn't get to watch it, but my brother said the game changed when we started pressing them. I don't get why we don't press more unless the staff is worried about depth and tiring the kids out/foul trouble.
 
[quote="gman" post=305825]I didn't get to watch it, but my brother said the game changed when we started pressing them. I don't get why we don't press more unless the staff is worried about depth and tiring the kids out/foul trouble.[/quote]

You just said it, we only play 7 guys (8 when Keita comes back).

VCU pressed us all game, but they played 11 guys. Of course, the drawback was that they tended to struggle in the halfcourt offense that game, with some of the units they put on the floor.
 
[quote="gman" post=305825]I didn't get to watch it, but my brother said the game changed when we started pressing them. I don't get why we don't press more unless the staff is worried about depth and tiring the kids out/foul trouble.[/quote]

No doubt, particularly once Alvarado hit the bench. They clearly were rattled without him out there handling the ball.
 
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=305793][quote="sjc88" post=305788][quote="Eric Williamson" post=305779][quote="sjc88" post=305757][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=305747][quote="sjc88" post=305741]OK....I have a serious question. Shouldn't the foul on Moore been a dead ball intentional foul? Meaning Two shots SJU AND Possession??? I played basketball all my life and have never seen a foul prior to an inbound that is not considered Intentional? Did the rule change???
Games could be extended indefinitely?[/quote]
I thought it was a dicey situation as well[/quote]
Always my understanding that you cannot just grab and hold prior to inbound or commit foul prior to inbound?[/quote]

I believe it all goes back to intent. Whether the ball is in play or not is irrelevant. At least that was always my understanding. If you foul someone while fighting through a screen on an inbounds play, that is not an intentional foul.[/quote]
Thanks. If that's the case I'm teaching my players to run through those screens! Do there best Hollywood hands flying in the air. No time elapsed works for the trailing team. Learn something new everyday. Seems like a rules loophole.[/quote]

There again, it all goes back to intent. Plowing through a screen by what is deemed a 'basketball move/play' is different than plowing through a screen by shoving a forearm into the other players throat. It's really up to the discretion of the ref. When a team is trailing late and has to foul, isn't every foul intentional?[/quote]

They just called it against Creighton, too. The fact that it was a foul on an under 50% FT shooter (who made both, ironically), probably made it too obvious.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=305805]Big plate of crow to eat...what a crazy game yet again but what a great comeback. Down 16 and rallied. Once again Ponds did it himself pretty much. Dixon's defense was very underrated late and did not allow Alvarado to get past him. We really locked down on D when it mattered late in 2nd which is why we got the W thankfully. Today was a story of 2 totally different halves. Families argue and then they come together to celebrate good things, so spare me the "dude you are the worst person ever" BS from the Mullin can do no wrong crowd. I think it's pretty clear that our coaching is poor, however we are finding ways to win in spite of it which is pretty impressive. Our talent keeps bailing us out late in games and we are now 7-0 which is awesome. It's very ugly and they're cardiac kids, but it's another win.

I really hope we can clean a ton of stuff up against the cupcakes. We still have to be weary of a scrappy Princeton team coming up. One game at a time and I hope the wins get prettier. We need to start playing 2 complete halves of good, solid team basketball. This way we avoid getting into big holes against inferior teams. Shocked Alvarado just resorted to bad iso shots late instead of dishing to their big men to get easy layups. They destroyed us doing that.

Say what you want about me, we are all glad they won. Survive and advance.[/quote]

No one on this board, has claimed any where close that Mullin "can do no wrong". Your opinion that it is "clear" that Mullin cannot coach, is your opinion only. I still can't tell either way, this season will make it clearer. My issue with your postings, is you state everything as it is fact, when it is clearly not. Hope you can enjoy the season at some point.
 
This is a pretty easy group to root for, march on men, stay undefeated pre-Big East season, and THEN kick the asses of Providence and Seton Hall, PLEASE!, I HATE THOSE TEAMS.
 
[quote="gman" post=305825]I didn't get to watch it, but my brother said the game changed when we started pressing them. I don't get why we don't press more unless the staff is worried about depth and tiring the kids out/foul trouble.[/quote]
Gman, I think a big part of the problem is we are really playing 'Iron man" basketball right now sans Keita. We essentially played 8 (at least entered the game) but really only 5 contribute. We got virtually nothing from the bench. Also, Clark fouled out. Pressing more would probably not work well. At least at the moment.
 
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