(Miami Invit) Georgia Tech, Sat. Dec. 1, 12 Noon, ESPNU / 570 WMCA

[quote="Ralph Joseph Giordano" post=305760]you can foul but can not be intentional.[/quote]
So if this is true, Player X can walk over before inbounds and gently slap player on wrist (pretending to deny the ball). No time elapses and that's just a common foul? This is important because you can extend a game doing this. Ball was never inbounded today and no time elapsed. Then in my mind unless I bear hug the player we're good?
 
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[quote="sjc88" post=305765]Want ugly... SJU got 2 points 1-7 shooting, 0-4 from 3 point range, 2 rebounds AND 8 Fouls from our bench the whole game... Gonna be tough to win in the Big East like that.[/quote]

That should change once Keita gets back and Roberts and Williams get more experience. Also , Trimble played some quality minutes for us in our biggest wins last season. I have to still think that he comes around.
 
Ponds had to take this one over. Heron and Figs struggled offensively, while Simon played his best game so far. I give Heron credit he is a tough SOB and bangs down low. Dixon played some pretty good D on Alvarado late too. Clark has been disappointing so far, not because his shot has been off, its his lack of toughness down low and on the boards. Our best lineup might be with Dixon in there for Clark, at least to close games. I give Mullin credit he doesn't panic, which is a good quality to have as a coach and the boys play hard for him. This was a nice win, their bigs were tough to contain and we still managed to pull this one out. That tech on Alvarado was the key to the game, I dont think we come back if that doesnt happen. Ponds is incredible in crunch time, you have to be born with that it cant be taught. 7-0!!
 
yes.The NBA has changed the rule so in thatt situation at end of game if a foul is committed prior to ball being inbounded the team that was fouled takes 1 shot and gets the ball back.
 
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If this start has proven anything it’s that a) These kids don’t lose confidence, we may all have abandoned hope during some of these games, also, neither do the coaches.b) It’s becoming a little difficult to read all of the Ponds bashing, he may not always look for the easiest basket or the highest percentage pass, but would you rather him with rhythm in isolation or kicking it out to Trimble for a wide open three? He’s our best offensive player and has ice water in his veins. c) We’re unbeaten after seven, with this being a first true road neutral floor trip against a power 5 team, let’s enjoy it!
 
[quote="sjc88" post=305757][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=305747][quote="sjc88" post=305741]OK....I have a serious question. Shouldn't the foul on Moore been a dead ball intentional foul? Meaning Two shots SJU AND Possession??? I played basketball all my life and have never seen a foul prior to an inbound that is not considered Intentional? Did the rule change???
Games could be extended indefinitely?[/quote]
I thought it was a dicey situation as well[/quote]
Always my understanding that you cannot just grab and hold prior to inbound or commit foul prior to inbound?[/quote]

I believe it all goes back to intent. Whether the ball is in play or not is irrelevant. At least that was always my understanding. If you foul someone while fighting through a screen on an inbounds play, that is not an intentional foul.
 
[quote="Ralph Joseph Giordano" post=305777]yes.The NBA has changed the rule so in thatt situation at end of game if a foul is committed prior to ball being inbounded the team that was fouled takes 1 shot and gets the ball back.[/quote]
Thanks Ralph but that's NBA. That rule makes sense. I was always taught, don't foul until inbounds. You always lost a second or 2. Not what happened today. No time elapsed. We got free throws. They got ball after second made FT.
 
[quote="Lopez_13" post=305774]Definitely less than 2k but all St. John's.[/quote]

I'm sure the official number will be higher, but remember, it's 4 games on one ticket. People will be shuffling in and out all day.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=305750][quote="Jack Williams" post=305738][quote="Mean Gene" post=305736]Wow!!!! Gritty , tough, gut check of a comeback by our guys!!!! The faster we get Keita back the better.[/quote]

It wouldn’t be a close SJU game without Mean Gene giving up on the team midway through and then coming back to celebrate like nothing ever happened LOL[/quote]

That’s the secret strategy Jack, works like charm every time!! 7 - 0 Baby!!!![/quote]

At least you stay around and praise the team for coming back unlike some posters.
 
In college you can commit a foul prior to the ball being inbounded and it does nor mean it is automatically and intentional foul. It depends on the type of foul you commit. No difference if the ball is live or not live.
 
[quote="Lopez_13" post=305774]Definitely less than 2k but all St. John's.[/quote]

Seemed closer to 200
 
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Helluva win for St. John's, rallying from 16 down to knock off Georgia Tech. Shamorie Ponds carried them with 37, but Justin Simon coming up big was just as badly needed. No reason they won't be 12-0 entering Big East play. There remain some issues, but 7-0 is 7-0.
 
[quote="Eric Williamson" post=305779][quote="sjc88" post=305757][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=305747][quote="sjc88" post=305741]OK....I have a serious question. Shouldn't the foul on Moore been a dead ball intentional foul? Meaning Two shots SJU AND Possession??? I played basketball all my life and have never seen a foul prior to an inbound that is not considered Intentional? Did the rule change???
Games could be extended indefinitely?[/quote]
I thought it was a dicey situation as well[/quote]
Always my understanding that you cannot just grab and hold prior to inbound or commit foul prior to inbound?[/quote]

I believe it all goes back to intent. Whether the ball is in play or not is irrelevant. At least that was always my understanding. If you foul someone while fighting through a screen on an inbounds play, that is not an intentional foul.[/quote]
Thanks. If that's the case I'm teaching my players to run through those screens! Do there best Hollywood hands flying in the air. No time elapsed works for the trailing team. Learn something new everyday. Seems like a rules loophole.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=305788][quote="Eric Williamson" post=305779][quote="sjc88" post=305757][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=305747][quote="sjc88" post=305741]OK....I have a serious question. Shouldn't the foul on Moore been a dead ball intentional foul? Meaning Two shots SJU AND Possession??? I played basketball all my life and have never seen a foul prior to an inbound that is not considered Intentional? Did the rule change???
Games could be extended indefinitely?[/quote]
I thought it was a dicey situation as well[/quote]
Always my understanding that you cannot just grab and hold prior to inbound or commit foul prior to inbound?[/quote]

I believe it all goes back to intent. Whether the ball is in play or not is irrelevant. At least that was always my understanding. If you foul someone while fighting through a screen on an inbounds play, that is not an intentional foul.[/quote]
Thanks. If that's the case I'm teaching my players to run through those screens! Do there best Hollywood hands flying in the air. No time elapsed works for the trailing team. Learn something new everyday. Seems like a rules loophole.[/quote]

That is why the NBA made the rule change.
 
[quote="sjc88" post=305788][quote="Eric Williamson" post=305779][quote="sjc88" post=305757][quote="Spocky Ramone" post=305747][quote="sjc88" post=305741]OK....I have a serious question. Shouldn't the foul on Moore been a dead ball intentional foul? Meaning Two shots SJU AND Possession??? I played basketball all my life and have never seen a foul prior to an inbound that is not considered Intentional? Did the rule change???
Games could be extended indefinitely?[/quote]
I thought it was a dicey situation as well[/quote]
Always my understanding that you cannot just grab and hold prior to inbound or commit foul prior to inbound?[/quote]

I believe it all goes back to intent. Whether the ball is in play or not is irrelevant. At least that was always my understanding. If you foul someone while fighting through a screen on an inbounds play, that is not an intentional foul.[/quote]
Thanks. If that's the case I'm teaching my players to run through those screens! Do there best Hollywood hands flying in the air. No time elapsed works for the trailing team. Learn something new everyday. Seems like a rules loophole.[/quote]

There again, it all goes back to intent. Plowing through a screen by what is deemed a 'basketball move/play' is different than plowing through a screen by shoving a forearm into the other players throat. It's really up to the discretion of the ref. When a team is trailing late and has to foul, isn't every foul intentional?
 
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