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This is a great time to be a Mets fan. It doesn't get any better than this, man. The window starts this season.

I expect them to make a big deal before the deadline. I was against Tulo for a long time but I think he'd be a great add. His contract really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. He gets 20 mill for four years and then 14 mill his last season when he'll be 35. With contracts going up every year, he will be worth 14 at 35 if he can give is 140 games. Gold glove, good speed, pop, very good obp. Righty bat to but hit in front of Duda and Wright. We don't need the huge #s he's put up on the last. .300 average with a .360 OBP and 20 homers would still out him head and shoulders above any other SS at the plate.

Instead of asking for Rockies to pay some salary, just include Cuddyer on the deal. He played very well for them and is a great clubhouse guy for a rebuilding team. He will be a manager one day for sure.
 
DeGrom pitches 7 2/3 innings of shutout baseball leaves ahead 2-0. Familia gives up 2 runs in the ninth (one inning of work 2 runs). Yet if Mets score run in bottom of ninth to win 3-2 Familia gets the win. Would like to see BB give official scorer power to award win to the starter in these situations. Reward the pitcher who pitched a great game not the guy who stunk.
 
This is a great time to be a Mets fan. It doesn't get any better than this, man. The window starts this season.

I expect them to make a big deal before the deadline. I was against Tulo for a long time but I think he'd be a great add. His contract really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. He gets 20 mill for four years and then 14 mill his last season when he'll be 35. With contracts going up every year, he will be worth 14 at 35 if he can give is 140 games. Gold glove, good speed, pop, very good obp. Righty bat to but hit in front of Duda and Wright. We don't need the huge #s he's put up on the last. .300 average with a .360 OBP and 20 homers would still out him head and shoulders above any other SS at the plate.

Instead of asking for Rockies to pay some salary, just include Cuddyer on the deal. He played very well for them and is a great clubhouse guy for a rebuilding team. He will be a manager one day for sure.
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I am going to have to disagree. I think Tulo would be a terrible accusation. I just don't know if he will be worth that money at this point in his career. You said 14 million/year at age 35 wouldn't be bad if he can give you 140 games a year. A lot of players could give you 140 games a year at that age, but what kind of production they give you is another question. And when Tulo is 35, do you really think he will still be able to play short, a position that requires speed and quickness? You would have think that at some point during the next 5 years (the time they would have Tulo for) that the Mets would be able to find a similarly productive shortstop for a fraction of the price.
 
im thinking Niese and Wheeler for Puig is a nice way to shake things up. offer the same thing for Cespedes and see what sticks.
 
im thinking Niese and Wheeler for Puig is a nice way to shake things up. offer the same thing for Cespedes and see what sticks.
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Please no Puig. We don't need the headache.
 
im thinking Niese and Wheeler for Puig is a nice way to shake things up. offer the same thing for Cespedes and see what sticks.
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Please no Puig. We don't need the headache.
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If Puig gives you headaches I shudder to think what John Mayberry does to you
 
This is a great time to be a Mets fan. It doesn't get any better than this, man. The window starts this season.

I expect them to make a big deal before the deadline. I was against Tulo for a long time but I think he'd be a great add. His contract really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. He gets 20 mill for four years and then 14 mill his last season when he'll be 35. With contracts going up every year, he will be worth 14 at 35 if he can give is 140 games. Gold glove, good speed, pop, very good obp. Righty bat to but hit in front of Duda and Wright. We don't need the huge #s he's put up on the last. .300 average with a .360 OBP and 20 homers would still out him head and shoulders above any other SS at the plate.

Instead of asking for Rockies to pay some salary, just include Cuddyer on the deal. He played very well for them and is a great clubhouse guy for a rebuilding team. He will be a manager one day for sure.
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I am going to have to disagree. I think Tulo would be a terrible accusation. I just don't know if he will be worth that money at this point in his career. You said 14 million/year at age 35 wouldn't be bad if he can give you 140 games a year. A lot of players could give you 140 games a year at that age, but what kind of production they give you is another question. And when Tulo is 35, do you really think he will still be able to play short, a position that requires speed and quickness? You would have think that at some point during the next 5 years (the time they would have Tulo for) that the Mets would be able to find a similarly productive shortstop for a fraction of the price.
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You can argue his health and the risks associated with that , but there is really no arguing his production "at this point of his career." When he plays, he produces. He's only 30 years old and in his prime. This would be a Piazza 2.0 deal for the Mets. He has shown no decline at the plate, and I actually think he's trending up with 2-4 of his best years still in front of him. He posted his best batting average (.340) last year and his best OBP (a silly .434). Guys like Tulo and Jeter have longer a longer shelf life than your typical good player. Both guys have career OBPs over .370.

As far as health is concerned, he's said repeatedly that he thinks playing at that altitude is why he's missed so many games. It's a proven fact that the immune system is weakened at high altitudes and recovery from illness and injuries occurs at a slower place. To make things worse, the Rockies have the worst travel schedule in baseball. There is not a National League team within 1,000 miles, so every flight has to be two hours and they have to routinely go from 5,000+ feet to sea level and back. That takes a toll on you over an 182-game season.

I was not on the Tulo wagon until I saw how his contract was structured. Four years of 20 mill after this season when he's 31-34 and then just 14 mill his fifth year when he's 35. We are paying Cuddyer 12.5 mill next year and he'll be 37. Granderson is making 16 mill this year. Neither of those guys sell jerseys or tickets. A Tulo Mets jersey would be top five in baseball before the year ended and he'd increase ticket sales instantly. Plus, that 14 mill figure is five years away...contracts are only going to up by then. A guy like Flores will probably pulling in that kind money if he hit free agency then.

Rockies last asked for Conforto, and I don't think Sandy is ready to give that up. I don't think I could.
 
Great deal for Clippard. The kid they traded could be a stud, but we already have 5 of those locked and loaded for the future with DeGrom, Thor, Harvey, Matz and Wheeler
 
if the mets are solidifying bullpen I gotta believe they have 1 more trade for offense coming
 
Great deal for Clippard. The kid they traded could be a stud, but we already have 5 of those locked and loaded for the future with DeGrom, Thor, Harvey, Matz and Wheeler
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I don't like this trade. We traded a very good prospect for a middle reliever. And what is Clippard really going to give us? Maybe 30 innings the rest of the year, if that many?

I agree with you that the rotation is locked for the next few years. However, Meisner is only 20yrs old, so he could very well be 5-6yrs away from the majors, especially considering that he will probably get Tommy John surgery at some point (because that's the cool thing to do), if he has not done so already. That may delay his progress even further. In 5 years DeGrom will be 32, Harvery will be 31, and Wheeler will be 30. While they will still be relatively young, they all will be on the backside of their careers. Thor and Matz will still both be under 30.

No one knows for sure how this is going to play out. If Meisner never makes it past AAA, then it was a great trade. If he turns out to be a quality starter in the Bigs, then it was a terrible trade. I just don't like the idea of taking that risk for a reliever that will make very little difference overall.
 
Great deal for Clippard. The kid they traded could be a stud, but we already have 5 of those locked and loaded for the future with DeGrom, Thor, Harvey, Matz and Wheeler
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I don't like this trade. We traded a very good prospect for a middle reliever. And what is Clippard really going to give us? Maybe 30 innings the rest of the year, if that many?

I agree with you that the rotation is locked for the next few years. However, Meisner is only 20yrs old, so he could very well be 5-6yrs away from the majors, especially considering that he will probably get Tommy John surgery at some point (because that's the cool thing to do), if he has not done so already. That may delay his progress even further. In 5 years DeGrom will be 32, Harvery will be 31, and Wheeler will be 30. While they will still be relatively young, they all will be on the backside of their careers. Thor and Matz will still both be under 30.

No one knows for sure how this is going to play out. If Meisner never makes it past AAA, then it was a great trade. If he turns out to be a quality starter in the Bigs, then it was a terrible trade. I just don't like the idea of taking that risk for a reliever that will make very little difference overall.
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Such a negative way to look at it. This trade bolsters the BP and also allows them flexibility in the later innings. Not to forget, if we do make it to the playoffs Mejia is unavailable due to his PED suspension so inserting Clippard in there is an A+ upgrade.
 
Great deal for Clippard. The kid they traded could be a stud, but we already have 5 of those locked and loaded for the future with DeGrom, Thor, Harvey, Matz and Wheeler
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I don't like this trade. We traded a very good prospect for a middle reliever. And what is Clippard really going to give us? Maybe 30 innings the rest of the year, if that many?

I agree with you that the rotation is locked for the next few years. However, Meisner is only 20yrs old, so he could very well be 5-6yrs away from the majors, especially considering that he will probably get Tommy John surgery at some point (because that's the cool thing to do), if he has not done so already. That may delay his progress even further. In 5 years DeGrom will be 32, Harvery will be 31, and Wheeler will be 30. While they will still be relatively young, they all will be on the backside of their careers. Thor and Matz will still both be under 30.

No one knows for sure how this is going to play out. If Meisner never makes it past AAA, then it was a great trade. If he turns out to be a quality starter in the Bigs, then it was a terrible trade. I just don't like the idea of taking that risk for a reliever that will make very little difference overall.
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Such a negative way to look at it. This trade bolsters the BP and also allows them flexibility in the later innings. Not to forget, if we do make it to the playoffs Mejia is unavailable due to his PED suspension so inserting Clippard in there is an A+ upgrade.
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Not being negative...I am be realistic. I am not saying that Clippard won't help them some, but at what cost? If you look at his stats this year, Clippard has 38IP in 100 games so far, which is about 1IP every 2.61 games. If he keeps up that pace, he will pitch a total of 24.1 innings for the Mets for the rest of this year.

We aren't a team like the Royals or Cardinals, who have serious world series aspirations. We still have alot of holes to fill. Like I said, I like Clippard as a player, I just don't like what we gave up to get him.
 
And Mejia is suspended again. 162 games. I didn't want to give up Meisner but we need Clippard to own the 8th.
 
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