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Matz has season ending surgery. Who would have thought that the Mets would have three pitchers go down.
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that went out the window for me one of my first years in little league when my freaking dad benched me after hitting a homerun to set an example to the rest of the parents that every kid sits at some point and not to argue with him because he sat his kid first
I'm still traumatized by being benched that day something like 35 years ago
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that went out the window for me one of my first years in little league when my freaking dad benched me after hitting a homerun to set an example to the rest of the parents that every kid sits at some point and not to argue with him because he sat his kid first
I'm still traumatized by being benched that day something like 35 years ago
Your post really strikes a nerve with me. When I coached my own kids in CYO and AAU, one neighbor who also coached once said "The only reason to coach is so your own kids don't get screwed", or a friend who is also a high school coach pulled me aside and asked "Why isn't your kid starting?" When I told him I was being fair to the other kids, he said "You're the coach. Start your own kid no matter what."
Unfortunately, MJM, no matter how traumatized you still are, it sounds like your Dad is/was an outstanding guy in attempting to do the right thing in the wrong circumstance. Your dad isn't Terry Collins, is he?
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Except this group has already earned a Rookie of the year, three all star appearances and a World Series appearance. Pitchers get hurt. Human being was not made to throw 95 mph overhand. Take away Clemens for obvious reasons and really Ryan, Seaver and Randy Johnson were the only power pitchers that were able to have a long career mostly injury free.
that went out the window for me one of my first years in little league when my freaking dad benched me after hitting a homerun to set an example to the rest of the parents that every kid sits at some point and not to argue with him because he sat his kid first
I'm still traumatized by being benched that day something like 35 years ago
Your post really strikes a nerve with me. When I coached my own kids in CYO and AAU, one neighbor who also coached once said "The only reason to coach is so your own kids don't get screwed", or a friend who is also a high school coach pulled me aside and asked "Why isn't your kid starting?" When I told him I was being fair to the other kids, he said "You're the coach. Start your own kid no matter what."
Unfortunately, MJM, no matter how traumatized you still are, it sounds like your Dad is/was an outstanding guy in attempting to do the right thing in the wrong circumstance. Your dad isn't Terry Collins, is he?
Haaa. Nah but he is a met fan. Oddly enough I had anger about that game for several years especially since he was always harder on me than the rest of the team. It's not like it consumed me but it pissed me off. ( heck to some extent it still bothers me a little even though I'd do the same thing probably if I were him and if their is a shrink on the board here he would probably diagnose this as one of the key factors in why I always expect more of myself sometimes to my own detriment ). I don't think I finally really understood what he did until several years later when we were playing summer ball travelling team and it was the 1st time we were playing with kids a few years older than us on our team and the league so at the time for the 1st time the few kids on the team my age weren't the best ones on the team that year so we had to sit on the bench more than the older kids who were better than us ( Desi Wilson was on my team best player I ever played with who ended up with small stint in MLB and in infamous Wally Backman Tirade video but Wally yelled glowingly about hin while yelling at everyone else )
Anyway on that team the coach whose son was my age played a lot and he wasn't better than us younger guys and it pissed a lot of people off including some of the older kids. As us younger guys were on the bench one game one of them says " I wish Mike's dad was the coach ". I looked at him and said wtf are you talking about ! Then another said yeah Mike's dad benched him first after that homerun a long time ago. Apparently word got around the league quick after it happened and I just never knew it until years later. So that day several years later I finally understood what he did. I might not have liked it still but I understood it.
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Except this group has already earned a Rookie of the year, three all star appearances and a World Series appearance. Pitchers get hurt. Human being was not made to throw 95 mph overhand. Take away Clemens for obvious reasons and really Ryan, Seaver and Randy Johnson were the only power pitchers that were able to have a long career mostly injury free.
Much, much longer list than those three but three of the top 4 pitchers going down in the same season is ridiculous.
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that went out the window for me one of my first years in little league when my freaking dad benched me after hitting a homerun to set an example to the rest of the parents that every kid sits at some point and not to argue with him because he sat his kid first
I'm still traumatized by being benched that day something like 35 years ago
Your post really strikes a nerve with me. When I coached my own kids in CYO and AAU, one neighbor who also coached once said "The only reason to coach is so your own kids don't get screwed", or a friend who is also a high school coach pulled me aside and asked "Why isn't your kid starting?" When I told him I was being fair to the other kids, he said "You're the coach. Start your own kid no matter what."
Unfortunately, MJM, no matter how traumatized you still are, it sounds like your Dad is/was an outstanding guy in attempting to do the right thing in the wrong circumstance. Your dad isn't Terry Collins, is he?
Haaa. Nah but he is a met fan. Oddly enough I had anger about that game for several years especially since he was always harder on me than the rest of the team. It's not like it consumed me but it pissed me off. ( heck to some extent it still bothers me a little even though I'd do the same thing probably if I were him and if their is a shrink on the board here he would probably diagnose this as one of the key factors in why I always expect more of myself sometimes to my own detriment ). I don't think I finally really understood what he did until several years later when we were playing summer ball travelling team and it was the 1st time we were playing with kids a few years older than us on our team and the league so at the time for the 1st time the few kids on the team my age weren't the best ones on the team that year so we had to sit on the bench more than the older kids who were better than us ( Desi Wilson was on my team best player I ever played with who ended up with small stint in MLB and in infamous Wally Backman Tirade video but Wally yelled glowingly about hin while yelling at everyone else )
Anyway on that team the coach whose son was my age played a lot and he wasn't better than us younger guys and it pissed a lot of people off including some of the older kids. As us younger guys were on the bench one game one of them says " I wish Mike's dad was the coach ". I looked at him and said wtf are you talking about ! Then another said yeah Mike's dad benched him first after that homerun a long time ago. Apparently word got around the league quick after it happened and I just never knew it until years later. So that day several years later I finally understood what he did. I might not have liked it still but I understood it.
Nice post, Mike. Maybe your home run was as unexpected as Colons.
that went out the window for me one of my first years in little league when my freaking dad benched me after hitting a homerun to set an example to the rest of the parents that every kid sits at some point and not to argue with him because he sat his kid first
I'm still traumatized by being benched that day something like 35 years ago
Your post really strikes a nerve with me. When I coached my own kids in CYO and AAU, one neighbor who also coached once said "The only reason to coach is so your own kids don't get screwed", or a friend who is also a high school coach pulled me aside and asked "Why isn't your kid starting?" When I told him I was being fair to the other kids, he said "You're the coach. Start your own kid no matter what."
Unfortunately, MJM, no matter how traumatized you still are, it sounds like your Dad is/was an outstanding guy in attempting to do the right thing in the wrong circumstance. Your dad isn't Terry Collins, is he?
Haaa. Nah but he is a met fan. Oddly enough I had anger about that game for several years especially since he was always harder on me than the rest of the team. It's not like it consumed me but it pissed me off. ( heck to some extent it still bothers me a little even though I'd do the same thing probably if I were him and if their is a shrink on the board here he would probably diagnose this as one of the key factors in why I always expect more of myself sometimes to my own detriment ). I don't think I finally really understood what he did until several years later when we were playing summer ball travelling team and it was the 1st time we were playing with kids a few years older than us on our team and the league so at the time for the 1st time the few kids on the team my age weren't the best ones on the team that year so we had to sit on the bench more than the older kids who were better than us ( Desi Wilson was on my team best player I ever played with who ended up with small stint in MLB and in infamous Wally Backman Tirade video but Wally yelled glowingly about hin while yelling at everyone else )
Anyway on that team the coach whose son was my age played a lot and he wasn't better than us younger guys and it pissed a lot of people off including some of the older kids. As us younger guys were on the bench one game one of them says " I wish Mike's dad was the coach ". I looked at him and said wtf are you talking about ! Then another said yeah Mike's dad benched him first after that homerun a long time ago. Apparently word got around the league quick after it happened and I just never knew it until years later. So that day several years later I finally understood what he did. I might not have liked it still but I understood it.
Nice post, Mike. Maybe your home run was as unexpected as Colons.
Mike - Its good that you are a Met fan as you already had been traumatized by baseball at a young age.
I remember taking a meatball pitch on a 3-0 count in an All-Star game when I was around 11 because the coach wanted the guy on first base to steal to put two runners in scoring position in a close game. Ball Four then bounced five feet in front of me and we didn't score with the bases loaded and lost the game by a run. To this day, I am 100% sure I would have hit a three run homer. What I didn't realize in the heat of the moment, was that the coach was giving me a take sign in an All-Star game. Really bothers me to this day. Reminds me of the Springsteen song Glory Days. We all wish we were playing baseball again.
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that went out the window for me one of my first years in little league when my freaking dad benched me after hitting a homerun to set an example to the rest of the parents that every kid sits at some point and not to argue with him because he sat his kid first
I'm still traumatized by being benched that day something like 35 years ago
Your post really strikes a nerve with me. When I coached my own kids in CYO and AAU, one neighbor who also coached once said "The only reason to coach is so your own kids don't get screwed", or a friend who is also a high school coach pulled me aside and asked "Why isn't your kid starting?" When I told him I was being fair to the other kids, he said "You're the coach. Start your own kid no matter what."
Unfortunately, MJM, no matter how traumatized you still are, it sounds like your Dad is/was an outstanding guy in attempting to do the right thing in the wrong circumstance. Your dad isn't Terry Collins, is he?
Haaa. Nah but he is a met fan. Oddly enough I had anger about that game for several years especially since he was always harder on me than the rest of the team. It's not like it consumed me but it pissed me off. ( heck to some extent it still bothers me a little even though I'd do the same thing probably if I were him and if their is a shrink on the board here he would probably diagnose this as one of the key factors in why I always expect more of myself sometimes to my own detriment ). I don't think I finally really understood what he did until several years later when we were playing summer ball travelling team and it was the 1st time we were playing with kids a few years older than us on our team and the league so at the time for the 1st time the few kids on the team my age weren't the best ones on the team that year so we had to sit on the bench more than the older kids who were better than us ( Desi Wilson was on my team best player I ever played with who ended up with small stint in MLB and in infamous Wally Backman Tirade video but Wally yelled glowingly about hin while yelling at everyone else )
Anyway on that team the coach whose son was my age played a lot and he wasn't better than us younger guys and it pissed a lot of people off including some of the older kids. As us younger guys were on the bench one game one of them says " I wish Mike's dad was the coach ". I looked at him and said wtf are you talking about ! Then another said yeah Mike's dad benched him first after that homerun a long time ago. Apparently word got around the league quick after it happened and I just never knew it until years later. So that day several years later I finally understood what he did. I might not have liked it still but I understood it.
Nice post, Mike. Maybe your home run was as unexpected as Colons.
Mike - Its good that you are a Met fan as you already had been traumatized by baseball at a young age.
I remember taking a meatball pitch on a 3-0 count in an All-Star game when I was around 11 because the coach wanted the guy on first base to steal to put two runners in scoring position in a close game. Ball Four then bounced five feet in front of me and we didn't score with the bases loaded and lost the game by a run. To this day, I am 100% sure I would have hit a three run homer. What I didn't realize in the heat of the moment, was that the coach was giving me a take sign in an All-Star game. Really bothers me to this day. Reminds me of the Springsteen song Glory Days. We all wish we were playing baseball again.
Gee, I always thought I was the only one who replayed my best and worst moments playing sports again and again to this day. Seems like many of us do.
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that went out the window for me one of my first years in little league when my freaking dad benched me after hitting a homerun to set an example to the rest of the parents that every kid sits at some point and not to argue with him because he sat his kid first
I'm still traumatized by being benched that day something like 35 years ago
Your post really strikes a nerve with me. When I coached my own kids in CYO and AAU, one neighbor who also coached once said "The only reason to coach is so your own kids don't get screwed", or a friend who is also a high school coach pulled me aside and asked "Why isn't your kid starting?" When I told him I was being fair to the other kids, he said "You're the coach. Start your own kid no matter what."
Unfortunately, MJM, no matter how traumatized you still are, it sounds like your Dad is/was an outstanding guy in attempting to do the right thing in the wrong circumstance. Your dad isn't Terry Collins, is he?
I always coached my kids in baseball and basketball, especially after bringing my oldest son to his new coach in Smithtown. As soon as we arrived the coach sent Gary to left field and immediately hit a fly ball to him, then yelling throw it home. That's when I screamed," NOOOOOOO!" Had to explain to him that the young people have to warm up first. And that's when he said,
Could you help me coach?"
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Coaching your own kids is a losing situation. For instance, while playing in a Philadelphia travel team basketball tournament two of my kids won most valuable player trophies, deservingly so. Once their names were announced some parents seemed shocked and disappointed their kid wasn't named. It's a no win situation. Even the wife of my assistant coach thought it would have been best if my sons weren't the receipients of the MVP trophy. Like I said, it's a no win situation.
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Basketball is the worst sport for camraderie amongst parents. I akways say the problem is 12 kids, only 5 can play at a time, and only one ball. 7 kids on the bench have muserable parents and 4 of the other 5 think their kid should be shooting more. The other oarent is coaching the team.
You're right which I guess is why I respect my father more even though he drove me crazy as a coach. basketball and soccer he relied on help from a couple of other parents but baseball while I might have been pissed a lot at the time he was probably the most successful mgr in Glen Cove History. Aside from my 2 world series wins and maybe the most dominant team for 1 year ever my little brother I don't think ever didnt make a world series and he was a better player than me except for pitching
A long time ago when I was that little kid I remember vividly as he was a volunteer fireman and chief him getting into a huge argument with another fireman to the point they almost fought ( I was maybe 12-14 or something at the time ) and the other guy comes storming up the stairs to where I was watching this whole thing go down.he said to me " mike your dad and I might not agree all the time and we might argue a lot but no matter what you think you saw it doesn't matter whether you think I like him or not but I always respect him and that's more important than being liked "
Funny thing is out of my entire childhood I remember those 3 stories the most. Me getting benched after a home run, years later kids wishing my dad was the coach and then the fireman arguing with my dad and almost fighting with him and him telling me it's better to be respected then liked.
So that's kind of how I try to live my life now. Life lessons I guess. We all want to be liked but it's better to be respected so just try and do the right thing in life and whatever happens happens
Up until a few years ago I never told anyone the story of my dad and the other guy almost fighting at the firehouse and what the guy said to me afterwards. Never even told my dad. Then he was getting an award for 50 yrs of volunteering and without me knowing they called me up to say a few words unprepared and I told that story which I never told anyone including Nathalie. I'm not even sure what made me tell it. But it was one of those things that I guess should have been told a long time ago because it helped shape me to the person I am now.
To Beast and Jack and all the other coaches like that. As kids we might have been pissed at you a lot but make no mistake about it we are all better for what you taught us as coaches and parents even if we don't say it/ I guess I'm lucky in the sense that at least I got to relay that story when my dad was still around since I probably wouldn't have said it if I didnt get called up to the stage that night
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Friday's night game is huge. If they win, they can clinch the wild card on Saturday, and save Syndergaard for the wild card game instead of fighting their way in. I'd hate to see them lose and drop back into a tie with the Cards inching closer.
Tonight is important with Cards and Giants both playing. hopefully one or both lose and MEts can breathe a little
Tonight is important with Cards and Giants both playing. hopefully one or both lose and MEts can breathe a little
Something very strange in St. Louis. Game against the Reds tied at 3. Bottom of the 9th. Two outs, man on first and Molina hits a ground rule double but the umpires didn't call it and left the field after the runner from first scored.. If this costs the Mets.........
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Of course if the Mets win 2 out of 3, the Mets clinch a spot no matter what anyone else does. Of course the Mets will make it come down to Sunday and have to pitch Thor.
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Great post Mike.
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Fortunately in the Smithtown Youth League everyone had to play a certain number of minutes so as a coach I had to work in a lineup for the four quarters. In other words you had to put some talented kids together with the less talented.