Matt A

I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Maybe because I don't see Chris as untouchable at a certain point. Long leash yes, but not untouchable. I don't blame someone for listening to any offer. I've done the same thing. I hate the fact that this being played out in a public arena. Also understand the school's position that they are carrying a number of very big salaries, including Slice's, and adding another one at this point I probably not in the cards unless someone goes. Especially when they have not yet seen much of a return on their investment. Although I realize it's a bit to soon for that. Tough call all the way around. Maybe Chris and Mitch agree to kick in some of their salary for Matt, but not holding out hope. Regardless, the longer this drags out the worse it is for us on a number of fronts, the most important being recruiting.

I also hate stuff like this being in the public, but unfortunate this is the time we are living in. I could be wrong, but I doubt Matt would go to to them without a firm offer. Also agree with the dragging out part.

Ralph Kiner led the league in homers like 10 straight years and when he asked for a raise he was told "we finished last with you and can do it w/o you."
Matt recruited players on a team that has averaged 11 wins a year. Already over paying an assistant to sit home and eat pasta. Not sure Matt going to get what he is looking for, if that is what this is.
 
I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Maybe because I don't see Chris as untouchable at a certain point. Long leash yes, but not untouchable. I don't blame someone for listening to any offer. I've done the same thing. I hate the fact that this being played out in a public arena. Also understand the school's position that they are carrying a number of very big salaries, including Slice's, and adding another one at this point I probably not in the cards unless someone goes. Especially when they have not yet seen much of a return on their investment. Although I realize it's a bit to soon for that. Tough call all the way around. Maybe Chris and Mitch agree to kick in some of their salary for Matt, but not holding out hope. Regardless, the longer this drags out the worse it is for us on a number of fronts, the most important being recruiting.

I also hate stuff like this being in the public, but unfortunate this is the time we are living in. I could be wrong, but I doubt Matt would go to to them without a firm offer. Also agree with the dragging out part.

I can't imagine this dragging out too long, because that wouldn't be good for LSU, either. I'm sure Will Wade wants to have a staff in place ASAP, and then start hitting the road recruiting. So, however this turns out, I think we will know sooner, rather then later.
 
I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Maybe because I don't see Chris as untouchable at a certain point. Long leash yes, but not untouchable. I don't blame someone for listening to any offer. I've done the same thing. I hate the fact that this being played out in a public arena. Also understand the school's position that they are carrying a number of very big salaries, including Slice's, and adding another one at this point I probably not in the cards unless someone goes. Especially when they have not yet seen much of a return on their investment. Although I realize it's a bit to soon for that. Tough call all the way around. Maybe Chris and Mitch agree to kick in some of their salary for Matt, but not holding out hope. Regardless, the longer this drags out the worse it is for us on a number of fronts, the most important being recruiting.

I also hate stuff like this being in the public, but unfortunate this is the time we are living in. I could be wrong, but I doubt Matt would go to to them without a firm offer. Also agree with the dragging out part.

Does have firm offer & this won't drag out long is my sense.
 
Crappy white Duke guards seem to be doing pretty well coaching. What is Greg Paulus doing now a days?
Unfortunately , those crappy white guys usually throw us a beating.

I wouldn't give WoJo, Collins or Paulus the credit for that. Can throw Quin Snyder in there too. Hurley and Reddick while white guards do not qualify under previously mentioned "crappy" status.
 
If we had to speculate/confirm numbers, is it safe to guess that Matt is in mid to high 2s here, and has an offer of high 3s or 4 from LSU?
 
I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Not to speak for Monte but I believe he was commenting on the method not the loyalty factor. I agree that if Matt (or any employee) comes with a firm offer in negotiations that is fair. To play it without that offer is not, IMO. I have no idea what is really happening but that's how I took Monte's post.

"That is fair", give me a break with that nonsense. Firm offer or soft offer, competition is competition. No fairness involved. This is about money and a career and earning a living. Matt is young, has to make his money now. Can't reasonably or feasibly expect someone to pass on higher payer over loyalty to a school.

Love those on here bashing him now too. Lol. He was the second coming of Christ on here for so long, and now people want to belittle his value because he's in all likelihood looking at a significant pay raise.
 
I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Maybe because I don't see Chris as untouchable at a certain point. Long leash yes, but not untouchable. I don't blame someone for listening to any offer. I've done the same thing. I hate the fact that this being played out in a public arena. Also understand the school's position that they are carrying a number of very big salaries, including Slice's, and adding another one at this point I probably not in the cards unless someone goes. Especially when they have not yet seen much of a return on their investment. Although I realize it's a bit to soon for that. Tough call all the way around. Maybe Chris and Mitch agree to kick in some of their salary for Matt, but not holding out hope. Regardless, the longer this drags out the worse it is for us on a number of fronts, the most important being recruiting.

I also hate stuff like this being in the public, but unfortunate this is the time we are living in. I could be wrong, but I doubt Matt would go to to them without a firm offer. Also agree with the dragging out part.

Does have firm offer & this won't drag out long is my sense.

Whichever way this goes at least we didn't avoid the latest never ending installment of the SJU - The Sky is Falling Saga. Matt A will be a loss, no question, as will Lovett, if either or both go. But that is college basketball, players leave, go pro, fail out, etc. Coaches, especially assistants move around. Stability is tough and TAKES TIME; everyone preached patience, very few provide any. Frank Martin, the current flavor of the week, was 28-38 his first 2 years at South Carolina. The man he beat Sunday was 38-47 his first 3 years at Duke. If Mullin is caught totally unprepared for this happening and all of our 18 and 19 recruiting falls apart, so be it, that sucks and certainly tells us all about Mullin's ability to do the job. This has to play out for another couple of years until we will know if Mullin was a big gamble that paid off or the second coming of Clyde Drexler. But one irony, Matt A. is being courted by Wade because he knows him, has a relationship with him, he trusts him. Mullin surrounded himself with St. Jean and Richmond for the same reasons. Mullin's contacts in the college world I am assuming were minimal and he went with who and what he knew. Time will tell how it works out but it is crazy to look at this in any way other than we are just starting with Mullin.
 
I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Maybe because I don't see Chris as untouchable at a certain point. Long leash yes, but not untouchable. I don't blame someone for listening to any offer. I've done the same thing. I hate the fact that this being played out in a public arena. Also understand the school's position that they are carrying a number of very big salaries, including Slice's, and adding another one at this point I probably not in the cards unless someone goes. Especially when they have not yet seen much of a return on their investment. Although I realize it's a bit to soon for that. Tough call all the way around. Maybe Chris and Mitch agree to kick in some of their salary for Matt, but not holding out hope. Regardless, the longer this drags out the worse it is for us on a number of fronts, the most important being recruiting.

I also hate stuff like this being in the public, but unfortunate this is the time we are living in. I could be wrong, but I doubt Matt would go to to them without a firm offer. Also agree with the dragging out part.

Does have firm offer & this won't drag out long is my sense.

Whichever way this goes at least we didn't avoid the latest never ending installment of the SJU - The Sky is Falling Saga. Matt A will be a loss, no question, as will Lovett, if either or both go. But that is college basketball, players leave, go pro, fail out, etc. Coaches, especially assistants move around. Stability is tough and TAKES TIME; everyone preached patience, very few provide any. Frank Martin, the current flavor of the week, was 28-38 his first 2 years at South Carolina. The man he beat Sunday was 38-47 his first 3 years at Duke. If Mullin is caught totally unprepared for this happening and all of our 18 and 19 recruiting falls apart, so be it, that sucks and certainly tells us all about Mullin's ability to do the job. This has to play out for another couple of years until we will know if Mullin was a big gamble that paid off or the second coming of Clyde Drexler. But one irony, Matt A. is being courted by Wade because he knows him, has a relationship with him, he trusts him. Mullin surrounded himself with St. Jean and Richmond for the same reasons. Mullin's contacts in the college world I am assuming were minimal and he went with who and what he knew. Time will tell how it works out but it is crazy to look at this in any way other than we are just starting with Mullin.


Well put
 
Hoping Matt stays - and not only because I hate the taste of crow - but if he doesn't there's a world class recruiter out there with previous head coaching experience and strong ties to St John's who'd be a natural fit. I can't believe his name hasn't come up in this thread. It's abNORMal.
 
Hoping Matt stays - and not only because I hate the taste of crow - but if he doesn't there's a world class recruiter out there with previous head coaching experience and strong ties to St John's who'd be a natural fit. I can't believe his name hasn't come up in this thread. It's abNORMal.

Have two Kansas guys on my Tourney Top Gun pool. Have watched every second of both games. Caught Norm taking nap in 1st round game. We already have Richmond. If you hire Norm might as well just set up a bunk bead for the two of them behind the bench.
 
Hoping Matt stays - and not only because I hate the taste of crow - but if he doesn't there's a world class recruiter out there with previous head coaching experience and strong ties to St John's who'd be a natural fit. I can't believe his name hasn't come up in this thread. It's abNORMal.

Have two Kansas guys on my Tourney Top Gun pool. Have watched every second of both games. Caught Norm taking nap in 1st round game.

EXACTLY. He's bored. He takes the NCAA tournament for granted: five sweet sixteens in eight years, he's the most successful and accomplished assistant coach in college basketball. He's conquered Kansas, he needs a new mountain to climb.
 
Hoping Matt stays - and not only because I hate the taste of crow - but if he doesn't there's a world class recruiter out there with previous head coaching experience and strong ties to St John's who'd be a natural fit. I can't believe his name hasn't come up in this thread. It's abNORMal.

Have two Kansas guys on my Tourney Top Gun pool. Have watched every second of both games. Caught Norm taking nap in 1st round game.

EXACTLY. He's bored. He takes the NCAA tournament for granted: five sweet sixteens in eight years, he's the most successful and accomplished assistant coach in college basketball. He's conquered Kansas, he needs a new mountain to climb.

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Wade and Matt are good friends, Wade is 34 and Matt is 32. Their wives are also friendly. The offer is very firm and for around $200,000.00 more than he is presently making. The only reason that Matt has not left yet is that he is hoping that St. Johns will give him at least half of that amount. Matt gave up a comfortable position at Iowa State to come home and put St Johns back on the map. So far he has done a good job and really does not want to leave. He has family in the area and that is also very important to him.

It is very easy to talk about loyalty when you are not the one leaving that type of money on the table.

Quick story, when Fred Quartlebaum was here, Billy Donovan offered him a job at Florida. Q turned it down because he wanted to be loyal and remain at St. Johns. He was out of a job a few years later when Norm got fired.

I hope that Matt stays because I believe that he can continue to help the program. However, I will never question another man's decision to do what he feels is right for himself, his family, and his career
 
Hoping Matt stays - and not only because I hate the taste of crow - but if he doesn't there's a world class recruiter out there with previous head coaching experience and strong ties to St John's who'd be a natural fit. I can't believe his name hasn't come up in this thread. It's abNORMal.

Have two Kansas guys on my Tourney Top Gun pool. Have watched every second of both games. Caught Norm taking nap in 1st round game.

EXACTLY. He's bored. He takes the NCAA tournament for granted: five sweet sixteens in eight years, he's the most successful and accomplished assistant coach in college basketball. He's conquered Kansas, he needs a new mountain to climb.

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Can you imagine the angst?

 
Hoping Matt stays - and not only because I hate the taste of crow - but if he doesn't there's a world class recruiter out there with previous head coaching experience and strong ties to St John's who'd be a natural fit. I can't believe his name hasn't come up in this thread. It's abNORMal.

Have two Kansas guys on my Tourney Top Gun pool. Have watched every second of both games. Caught Norm taking nap in 1st round game.

EXACTLY. He's bored. He takes the NCAA tournament for granted: five sweet sixteens in eight years, he's the most successful and accomplished assistant coach in college basketball. He's conquered Kansas, he needs a new mountain to climb.

He makes somewhere around 350-400K I believe. I assume it would take at lease that much to get him here. Unless Slice finds another job and we're off the hook for his salary, don't see the school anteing up nearly that much. If they were going to, I assume they'd be anteing up for Matt.
 
If the Golden Child is using Wade as leverage for more money. And the majority of the followers feel he deserves more. Then does a certain other grossly overpaid assistant coach disappear?

I have no problem if that scenario plays out

What percentage on the roster are his recruits?
90%?

I'd say yeah, give the man more money?
 
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