Matt A

[redken]

I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

It better be a hell of a lot more money to tempt him to move from New York to Louisiana away from his "dream job."

Lived in Baton Rouge for most of 2003, and can only say one good thing about it: the gumbo. Then again, one can only eat so much gumbo.

 

[L J S A]

If Matt leaves we need to reconfigure some things badly. I wouldn't mind seeing Mitch move on. I like the idea of St. Jean, but if he's not going to get out there and recruit he should apply for NBA front office jobs.

Too bad we don't have a ton of cash to throw around -- you could pay a Romar or Gottfried-type guy handsomely for two years with the understanding that their rep would have been rebuilt by then. Then move on to the next top-notch recruiter who gets fired because the X's and O's are spotty.

A guy with a proven track record of X's and O's would be nice. I don't care if you pull him from juco, D-2, or high school. If fact, if you pulled him from those places I'm sure he'd be happy with the pay bump and stick around awhile.

 

[Mike]

I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

 

[L J S A]

Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/10/03/most-profitable-college-football-programs-5-lsu/

Old article, and not that this is something we didn't already know, but LSU could easily double his salary if they wanted to. Aside from salary, football money also provides a lot of perks. I think Matt might be gone.

 

[salty dog]

Kim Barnes Arico who loved and won big at St. John's left for more money.

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

Kim Barnes Arico who loved and won big at St. John's left for more money.

Point well taken,

That said, will being an alumnus (as you know, Kim is not an alumna) make the difference, assumming SJU can match or get close to the LSU offer ?


Another, perhaps much more important point is : Does his wife like living and working in NYC ?

Happy wife, Happy life.

This may be the most important variable in the decision making process.

 

[logen]

I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Not to speak for Monte but I believe he was commenting on the method not the loyalty factor. I agree that if Matt (or any employee) comes with a firm offer in negotiations that is fair. To play it without that offer is not, IMO. I have no idea what is really happening but that's how I took Monte's post.

 

[monte]

I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Maybe because I don't see Chris as untouchable at a certain point. Long leash yes, but not untouchable. I don't blame someone for listening to any offer. I've done the same thing. I hate the fact that this being played out in a public arena. Also understand the school's position that they are carrying a number of very big salaries, including Slice's, and adding another one at this point I probably not in the cards unless someone goes. Especially when they have not yet seen much of a return on their investment. Although I realize it's a bit to soon for that. Tough call all the way around. Maybe Chris and Mitch agree to kick in some of their salary for Matt, but not holding out hope. Regardless, the longer this drags out the worse it is for us on a number of fronts, the most important being recruiting.

 

[Class of 72]

irate:

I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Not to speak for Monte but I believe he was commenting on the method not the loyalty factor. I agree that if Matt (or any employee) comes with a firm offer in negotiations that is fair. To play it without that offer is not, IMO. I have no idea what is really happening but that's how I took Monte's post.

If Matt were Fran Fraschilla he would have been fired before he got an offer under the old regime.
Recruiting is a 24/7 job. I think we have to compare Mike Hopkins salary at Syracuse to see if Matt is being underpaid. There it appears, loyalty meant something. At St. John's it seems the grass is always greener somewhere else becsuse....it is.

 

[monte]

irate:

I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Not to speak for Monte but I believe he was commenting on the method not the loyalty factor. I agree that if Matt (or any employee) comes with a firm offer in negotiations that is fair. To play it without that offer is not, IMO. I have no idea what is really happening but that's how I took Monte's post.

If Matt were Fran Fraschilla he would have been fired before he got an offer under the old regime.
Recruiting is a 24/7 job. I think we have to compare Mike Hopkins salary at Syracuse to see if Matt is being underpaid. Their, loyalty meant something. At St. John's it seems the grass is always greener somewhere else becsuse....it is.

Was thinking about FF similarities as well.

 

[Red.Fans]

Regardless, the longer this drags out the worse it is for us on a number of fronts, the most important being recruiting.

Exactly.

 

[monte]

I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Not to speak for Monte but I believe he was commenting on the method not the loyalty factor. I agree that if Matt (or any employee) comes with a firm offer in negotiations that is fair. To play it without that offer is not, IMO. I have no idea what is really happening but that's how I took Monte's post.

You're correct Logen. I too don't know exactly what's going on either, but I've been on both sides of the fence(employer and employee) and what little I do know about this situation just rubs me the wrong way.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Anyone see his Twitter follows?

Yes: LSU basketball and two reporters who cover LSU.

This just got real.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Anyone see his Twitter follows?

Yes: LSU basketball and two reporters who cover LSU.

This just got real.

Mullin should start following Rice and Grasso on twitter

 

[we are sju]

Anyone see his Twitter follows?

Yes: LSU basketball and two reporters who cover LSU.

This just got real.

Mullin should start following Rice and Grasso on twitter

Or Lavin. Life seems much simpler on TV

 

[mjmaherjr]

Anyone see his Twitter follows?

Yes: LSU basketball and two reporters who cover LSU.

This just got real.

Mullin should start following Rice and Grasso on twitter

Or Lavin. Life seems much simpler on TV

especially with what he gets paid for it

 

[we are sju]

Anyone see his Twitter follows?

Yes: LSU basketball and two reporters who cover LSU.

This just got real.

Mullin should start following Rice and Grasso on twitter

Or Lavin. Life seems much simpler on TV

especially with what he gets paid for it

Vegas just listed the three favorites to take Matt's job:
1. Terence Mullin
2. Tim Hardaway
3. Barry Rohrssen

 

[Sherman Sheridan & Grant]

Anyone see his Twitter follows?

Yes: LSU basketball and two reporters who cover LSU.

This just got real.

Mullin should start following Rice and Grasso on twitter

Or Lavin. Life seems much simpler on TV

especially with what he gets paid for it

Vegas just listed the three favorites to take Matt's job:
1. Terence Mullin
2. Tim Hardaway
3. Barry Rohrssen

Three questions/observations:
1.Is this going to be a self- fulfilling prophecy?
2.is this facetious/silliness being bantered about or a serious, legitimate possibility?
3. Who (whom) is likely to come on board should the Dearly Departed (e.g. Matt who loves SJU) depart?
Thanks

 

[we are sju]

Anyone see his Twitter follows?

Yes: LSU basketball and two reporters who cover LSU.

This just got real.

Mullin should start following Rice and Grasso on twitter

Or Lavin. Life seems much simpler on TV

especially with what he gets paid for it

Vegas just listed the three favorites to take Matt's job:
1. Terence Mullin
2. Tim Hardaway
3. Barry Rohrssen

Three questions/observations:
1.Is this going to be a self- fulfilling prophecy?
2.is this facetious/silliness being bantered about or a serious, legitimate possibility?
3. Who (whom) is likely to come on board should the Dearly Departed (e.g. Matt who loves SJU) depart?
Thanks

Third guy has no shot, wouldn't be surprised by other two at this point.

 

[Mike]

I like Matt A, and think the school should give him what he wants, but in the end, this is a slippery way for him to get paid.

All that jazz he has been spewing about "trust the process", i heart NY, sju loyalty, etc. is complete BS if he bolts

This is totally hypocritical. You're telling me that if another employer came to you with a better opportunity and a lot more money, you would turn it away out of a sense of loyalty.

Fact of the matter is sports is a cut throat business. You need to capitalize on your opportunities when they come your way. If the rumors are true, I have no problem with Matt coming to SJU with an offer and asking them to match it.

sju is his alma mater. its not the same as just another random employer.

Money talks and if anyone says that they would turn down a substantial increase they are kidding themselves. Alma mater or loyality is out the window. People think Chris is untouchable, well if he doesn't turn things around you can guarantee they will part ways and what happens to Matt. You can never get too comfortable in coaching. There is a reason why most asst. don't buy houses. Lol

No one with half a brain thinks Chris is untouchable. As for Matt, if it's not this offer they'll be others for more money. When I was an employee, I tended to value loyalty and comfort level over top $. I had the opportunity to jump at higher paying jobs a number of times, but always managed to work something out with my then current employer. As an employer, I have long time employees who I know could have left for higher paying jobs, but our personal relationships and how I've treated them has kept them with me. On the other hand there have been a few employees over the years who thought they had me over a barrel, and came to me asking for big raises at a moment in time when they thought they were indispensable. Only to find out very quickly how dispensable they were. My feeling has always been that if you pull that crap on me once, you'll do it again. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I would beg to differ on the untouchable topic, but that's ok. Also, you are right to some people loyality is important and the grass isn't always greener. Most of us doesn't have the opportunity to double our salary, I'm pretty sure if someone came to you and said I would double your salary you might think about it for 2 minutes. (Not saying that's what they will do) but if the money is significant plus cheaper cost of living then he needs to make his money now.

Maybe because I don't see Chris as untouchable at a certain point. Long leash yes, but not untouchable. I don't blame someone for listening to any offer. I've done the same thing. I hate the fact that this being played out in a public arena. Also understand the school's position that they are carrying a number of very big salaries, including Slice's, and adding another one at this point I probably not in the cards unless someone goes. Especially when they have not yet seen much of a return on their investment. Although I realize it's a bit to soon for that. Tough call all the way around. Maybe Chris and Mitch agree to kick in some of their salary for Matt, but not holding out hope. Regardless, the longer this drags out the worse it is for us on a number of fronts, the most important being recruiting.

I also hate stuff like this being in the public, but unfortunate this is the time we are living in. I could be wrong, but I doubt Matt would go to to them without a firm offer. Also agree with the dragging out part.