[quote="OhioFan" post=305075][quote="fordham96" post=305074]Lastly that 2009-10 Norm Roberts team that was 6-0 to start the season: LIU, St. Bonnies, Brown, Siena, Temple and Stony Brook. Siena was in the midst of winning their 3rd straight MAAC title under Fran McCaffery, Temple was an NCAA team. The first loss was to Duke 80-71 who went on to win the whole thing that year. Could that team have gone 6-0 against this schedule? I think so? How about Lavin's last two teams, yeah I think so.
Come on. 6-0 is 6-0. But for too much of these games they are not playing at a high level. It's one thing to be winning by 25 against Xavier and then they make some shots and the lead goes down to 11-12. But they need to bury these bad teams not look up with 10 minutes left and they scored 11 points in the 2nd half and the lead has essentially been cut in half and your starters are still in the game. That's all.[/quote]
How any Robert's team won six games in total is a surprise to me. He couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.[/quote]
Not sure you meant it but evidently you insulted the current coach considering Roberts won more games in his first 3 years then the current staff under much worse conditions. So honestly not sure what point you were making.
[quote="fordham96" post=305080][quote="rawdognyc" post=305076][quote="fordham96" post=305074]Lastly that 2009-10 Norm Roberts team that was 6-0 to start the season: LIU, St. Bonnies, Brown, Siena, Temple and Stony Brook. Siena was in the midst of winning their 3rd straight MAAC title under Fran McCaffery, Temple was an NCAA team. The first loss was to Duke 80-71 who went on to win the whole thing that year. Could that team have gone 6-0 against this schedule? I think so? How about Lavin's last two teams, yeah I think so.
Come on. 6-0 is 6-0. But for too much of these games they are not playing at a high level. It's one thing to be winning by 25 against Xavier and then they make some shots and the lead goes down to 11-12. But they need to bury these bad teams not look up with 10 minutes left and they scored 11 points in the 2nd half and the lead has essentially been cut in half and your starters are still in the game. That's all.[/quote]
We beat the National Champs last year when we sucked. So I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make.[/quote]
We didn't do anything. My point is a SJU team that finished 6-12 in the BE and had their coach fired after the season was good enough to start 6-0 against a more difficult schedule then the one SJU is playing now for those who argued that there aren't many recent SJU teams that could be 6-0 against this schedule. I disagreed.[/quote]
We are 6-0 and we haven't really played well. The reason for optimism is clearly the talent is there to be good. You could never say that with a Mullin team until now and could never say that of a Norm team until the year he left.
Crazy how many of you have the foresight to predict this team’s demise based on 6 games against below average competition in November!
You act like it’s European soccer where style and tactics mean just as much as results. This is basketball. Pass ball. Shoot ball. They’ve gotten the results needed and clearly do not need to be playing their best ball this early.
Talk to me in February if they are consistently struggling to defend the 3 and still not moving the ball enough to your satisfaction.
[quote="we are sju" post=305083][quote="fordham96" post=305080][quote="rawdognyc" post=305076][quote="fordham96" post=305074]Lastly that 2009-10 Norm Roberts team that was 6-0 to start the season: LIU, St. Bonnies, Brown, Siena, Temple and Stony Brook. Siena was in the midst of winning their 3rd straight MAAC title under Fran McCaffery, Temple was an NCAA team. The first loss was to Duke 80-71 who went on to win the whole thing that year. Could that team have gone 6-0 against this schedule? I think so? How about Lavin's last two teams, yeah I think so.
Come on. 6-0 is 6-0. But for too much of these games they are not playing at a high level. It's one thing to be winning by 25 against Xavier and then they make some shots and the lead goes down to 11-12. But they need to bury these bad teams not look up with 10 minutes left and they scored 11 points in the 2nd half and the lead has essentially been cut in half and your starters are still in the game. That's all.[/quote]
We beat the National Champs last year when we sucked. So I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make.[/quote]
We didn't do anything. My point is a SJU team that finished 6-12 in the BE and had their coach fired after the season was good enough to start 6-0 against a more difficult schedule then the one SJU is playing now for those who argued that there aren't many recent SJU teams that could be 6-0 against this schedule. I disagreed.[/quote]
We are 6-0 and we haven't really played well. The reason for optimism is clearly the talent is there to be good. You could never say that with a Mullin team until now and could never say that of a Norm team until the year he left.[/quote] Money post
[quote="sirvoo" post=305084]Crazy how many of you have the foresight to predict this team’s demise based on 6 games against below average competition in November!
You act like it’s European soccer where style and tactics mean just as much as results. This is basketball. Pass ball. Shoot ball. They’ve gotten the results needed and clearly do not need to be playing their best ball this early.
Talk to me in February if they are consistently struggling to defend the 3 and still not moving the ball enough to your satisfaction.[/quote]
Ex-act-a-mundo.
[quote="we are sju" post=305083][quote="fordham96" post=305080][quote="rawdognyc" post=305076][quote="fordham96" post=305074]Lastly that 2009-10 Norm Roberts team that was 6-0 to start the season: LIU, St. Bonnies, Brown, Siena, Temple and Stony Brook. Siena was in the midst of winning their 3rd straight MAAC title under Fran McCaffery, Temple was an NCAA team. The first loss was to Duke 80-71 who went on to win the whole thing that year. Could that team have gone 6-0 against this schedule? I think so? How about Lavin's last two teams, yeah I think so.
Come on. 6-0 is 6-0. But for too much of these games they are not playing at a high level. It's one thing to be winning by 25 against Xavier and then they make some shots and the lead goes down to 11-12. But they need to bury these bad teams not look up with 10 minutes left and they scored 11 points in the 2nd half and the lead has essentially been cut in half and your starters are still in the game. That's all.[/quote]
We beat the National Champs last year when we sucked. So I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make.[/quote]
We didn't do anything. My point is a SJU team that finished 6-12 in the BE and had their coach fired after the season was good enough to start 6-0 against a more difficult schedule then the one SJU is playing now for those who argued that there aren't many recent SJU teams that could be 6-0 against this schedule. I disagreed.[/quote]
We are 6-0 and we haven't really played well. The reason for optimism is clearly the talent is there to be good. You could never say that with a Mullin team until now and could never say that of a Norm team until the year he left.[/quote]
Guy stop making this about Norm. I was challenged on the idea that somehow this 6-0 start would not have occurred under earlier mediocre/bad teams. Therefore we should simply be impressed with that. I'm sorry this schedule is very weak and even with a weak schedule they have not looked impressive.
I don't dispute the talent is better than that 2009-10 team at least at the top. The 2009-10 team was actually deeper. But again I was NOT particularly impressed with the start of the 2009-10 team and they beat far better competition. That is my point. I don't see how outside of simply saying 6-0 anyone can honestly deny it.
This was a fun game where the outcome was never in doubt. We basically got what we wanted as fans in that we got some extended minutes from Williams and Roberts and Shamorie distributed the ball efficiently.
LJ Figueroa plays hard all the time and, like Heron, follows up on his shots. Mikey Dixon showed a very soft touch from outside and teamed up well with Shamorie.
Of course 72 wouldn't be 72 if he doesn't accent some negatives against one the weakest teams in D1:
A blind scout would have told the staff that Andino likes shooting threes and to maybe put a dedicated guard to frustrate him on defense. We, being a Mullin coached defensive team, basically gave him him every look he wanted and he got off 16 three point shot attempts.
A scrawny 6'7, 200 lb Jones gave us fits driving to the basket. Needless to say we have a big ZERO when it comes to an inside game. Keita better miraculously heal in time for Big East play.
Justin Simon and Clark continue to struggle with better players around them. Clark in particular fouls out with fouls only freshmen and Yakwe would commit. Too bad we didn't have Steere this year because Clark would have been a great 6th man instead of terrible Trimble.
We play a real team in Georgia Tech and Clark needs to play like a 23 year old man and be a leader on the court instead from the bench.
These references to Norm are making me sick. He was awful and there was never any reason for hope while he was around. Let's leave him in the past where he belongs.
This team is 6-0 and they will go 12-0 if they can get past Ga Tech. They are still coming together, building chemistry, and finding their roles. There is so much reason for hope this year.
I think they will learn a lot and respond well to some losses in conference play and will be a nightmare to play against come February. The ceiling is so high.
[quote="Marillac" post=305090]These references to Norm are making me sick. He was awful and there was never any reason for hope while he was around. Let's leave him in the past where he belongs.
This team is 6-0 and they will go 12-0 if they can get past Ga Tech. They are still coming together, building chemistry, and finding their roles. There is so much reason for hope this year.
I think they will learn a lot and respond well to some losses in conference play and will be a nightmare to play against come April. The ceiling is so high.[/quote]
Norm was the 2nd worst hire in the post Louie era. I don't even think he is allowed to speak in Kansas huddles.
We can be competitive in April if Keita recovers 100%. If he doesn't we could be a nightmare with an early exit from some tourney. Hope it is the NCAA TOURNAMENT.
6-0 is 6-0. There are certainly some things that need to be cleaned up. And if the tournament started today, I could see us losing in a second round upset. But we have 28 more games to clean things up, so not stressing yet.
I think keeping the same starting front line, but shifting Clark to another position on the front line, would work wonders for both team and him.
[quote="fordham96" post=305091]I swear some of you guys are either intentionally trying to change the subject or are so stupid you can't understand comparative logic. But I give up.
This team is the second coming of the 85-86 Celtics....LOL![/quote]
Close! Maybe the 2nd coming of the Wonder Five. Mostly because we don't have much after the first five.
[quote="Class of 72" post=305095][quote="fordham96" post=305091]I swear some of you guys are either intentionally trying to change the subject or are so stupid you can't understand comparative logic. But I give up.
This team is the second coming of the 85-86 Celtics....LOL![/quote]
Close! Maybe the 2nd coming of the Wonder Five. Mostly because we don't have much after the first five.[/quote]
I'm partial to the Celtics because I was a huge Bird fan and I still think that 85-86 Celtics team was the best team I ever watched in the NBA.
Btw figgy is best player on the team ive said this before, furthermore he had a clean block under the basket that official scorer missed. The guy does all the little things well like going up with his left hand to block a shot on his left side. Something Patrick ewing never learned....
[quote="fordham96" post=305087][quote="we are sju" post=305083][quote="fordham96" post=305080][quote="rawdognyc" post=305076][quote="fordham96" post=305074]Lastly that 2009-10 Norm Roberts team that was 6-0 to start the season: LIU, St. Bonnies, Brown, Siena, Temple and Stony Brook. Siena was in the midst of winning their 3rd straight MAAC title under Fran McCaffery, Temple was an NCAA team. The first loss was to Duke 80-71 who went on to win the whole thing that year. Could that team have gone 6-0 against this schedule? I think so? How about Lavin's last two teams, yeah I think so.
Come on. 6-0 is 6-0. But for too much of these games they are not playing at a high level. It's one thing to be winning by 25 against Xavier and then they make some shots and the lead goes down to 11-12. But they need to bury these bad teams not look up with 10 minutes left and they scored 11 points in the 2nd half and the lead has essentially been cut in half and your starters are still in the game. That's all.[/quote]
We beat the National Champs last year when we sucked. So I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make.[/quote]
We didn't do anything. My point is a SJU team that finished 6-12 in the BE and had their coach fired after the season was good enough to start 6-0 against a more difficult schedule then the one SJU is playing now for those who argued that there aren't many recent SJU teams that could be 6-0 against this schedule. I disagreed.[/quote]
We are 6-0 and we haven't really played well. The reason for optimism is clearly the talent is there to be good. You could never say that with a Mullin team until now and could never say that of a Norm team until the year he left.[/quote]
Guy stop making this about Norm. I was challenged on the idea that somehow this 6-0 start would not have occurred under earlier mediocre/bad teams. Therefore we should simply be impressed with that. I'm sorry this schedule is very weak and even with a weak schedule they have not looked impressive.
I don't dispute the talent is better than that 2009-10 team at least at the top. The 2009-10 team was actually deeper. But again I was NOT particularly impressed with the start of the 2009-10 team and they beat far better competition. That is my point. I don't see how outside of simply saying 6-0 anyone can honestly deny it.[/quote]
You brought up Norm.
Sometimes your posts remind me of the little bald guy in Princess Bride when he was trying to confuse Wesley into drinking poison.
[quote="Class of 72" post=305092][quote="Marillac" post=305090]These references to Norm are making me sick. He was awful and there was never any reason for hope while he was around. Let's leave him in the past where he belongs.
This team is 6-0 and they will go 12-0 if they can get past Ga Tech. They are still coming together, building chemistry, and finding their roles. There is so much reason for hope this year.
I think they will learn a lot and respond well to some losses in conference play and will be a nightmare to play against come April. The ceiling is so high.[/quote]
Norm was the 2nd worst hire in the post Louie era. I don't even think he is allowed to speak in Kansas huddles.
We can be competitive in April if Keita recovers 100%. If he doesn't we could be a nightmare with an early exit from some tourney. Hope it is the NCAA TOURNAMENT.[/quote]
In fairness not sure Mullin is allowed to speak in our huddles
Tonight was nothing more than a glorified scrimmage. I wish the schedule was a little more daunting but at this point it is what it is. I am actually looking forward to the Georgia Tech game so we can find out more about this team. My one takeaway was that against better competition the over reliance on 3 point bombing is going to be problematic. Those wide open looks will not be there against better teams and we will be forced to play some half court offense. Let's hope they are ready when the time comes.
[quote="sjc88" post=305104]Tonight was nothing more than a glorified scrimmage. I wish the schedule was a little more daunting but at this point it is what it is. I am actually looking forward to the Georgia Tech game so we can find out more about this team. My one takeaway was that against better competition the over reliance on 3 point bombing is going to be problematic. Those wide open looks will not be there against better teams and we will be forced to play some half court offense. Let's hope they are ready when the time comes.[/quote]
Mullin teams will live or die by the outside shot. My takeaway is we have no frontcourt presence. Clark fouled out against a putrid team with a 6'7 center. Roberts, a freshman, actually tries to guard the opposing player. Clark is a one trick 3 point shooting small forward who, without Keita, will collect his share of fouls forcing us to either play small or play a freshman.
