Lavin

[mjmaherjr]

Cant fault the committee for that. If I had to do it all over again based on who was available I'd still have hired Lavin.

What part of Lavin being a failure at rebuilding the once proud men's basketball don't you understand?

The TV Announcer was paid a reported $2M+ per year yet during his last 3 seasons he compiled a mediocre Big East record of just 28 wins and 24 losses.

A 28/24 record is a favorable ROI for the $6M+ investment?

Dude when he got hired we were the laughing stock of the conference. We were flat out embarrassing. there were years we weren't making out own conference tournament. How many consensus top 100 recruits did we get with Norm

It doesn't matter what he was paid. Was his first year not one of the best we have ever had as fans the last 20 years ?

Did we make the NCAA's twice in 5 years ?

Yes or no

And don't cherry pick 3 years. He was here 5 years and 1 year had cancer

Again he wasn't a great coach. He was average but average at st Johns is actually pretty good unfortunately.

You were ecstatic when he got hired too

And the salary was a reflection of our program sucking so bad no one wanting the job. Paul Hewitt ? Oh yeah that almost happened

And Mullin is getting paid more than Lavin most likely close to top 25 in college basketball and we can't hit foul shots at the end of the season which is probably one of the easier things to teach a player but you don't see me whining about that

 

[logen]

Cant fault the committee for that. If I had to do it all over again based on who was available I'd still have hired Lavin.

What part of Lavin being a failure at rebuilding the once proud men's basketball don't you understand?

The TV Announcer was paid a reported $2M+ per year yet during his last 3 seasons he compiled a mediocre Big East record of just 28 wins and 24 losses.

A 28/24 record is a favorable ROI for the $6M+ investment?

Dude when he got hired we were the laughing stock of the conference. We were flat out embarrassing. there were years we weren't making out own conference tournament. How many consensus top 100 recruits did we get with Norm

It doesn't matter what he was paid. Was his first year not one of the best we have ever had as fans the last 20 years ?

Did we make the NCAA's twice in 5 years ?

Yes or no

And don't cherry pick 3 years. He was here 5 years and 1 year had cancer

Again he wasn't a great coach. He was average but average at st Johns is actually pretty good unfortunately.

You were ecstatic when he got hired too

And the salary was a reflection of our program sucking so bad no one wanting the job. Paul Hewitt ? Oh yeah that almost happened

And Mullin is getting paid more than Lavin most likely close to top 25 in college basketball and we can't hit foul shots at the end of the season which is probably one of the easier things to teach a player but you don't see me whining about that

So Mullin is more than fair game to critize less than a year into the job with a team they had to literally throw together at the last minute but the cause of that situation is off limits because an assistant coached inherited players to a good season? He then lucked into another NCAA because he was finally forced to play Pointer, a player he had no idea what to do with for three years. In between, he did virtually nothing except bring in a pot smoking head case and a talented bigger head case no other school wanted. As Monte said, "yeah right". And I sympathize with his bout with cancer but it appears once he recovered he could dine exquisitely but it still prevented him from visiting high school gyms. The reason we have one of, if not the worst team in the history of the league, is because of Lavin's laziness pure and simple. And all the unwarranted and infantile criticism of Mullin doesn't change that FACT one bit.

 

[lawmanfan]

Can't believe I take a look at the site for the first time in a month and the first thing I see is a Lavin thread. SMH

 

[monte]

Cant fault the committee for that. If I had to do it all over again based on who was available I'd still have hired Lavin.

What part of Lavin being a failure at rebuilding the once proud men's basketball don't you understand?

The TV Announcer was paid a reported $2M+ per year yet during his last 3 seasons he compiled a mediocre Big East record of just 28 wins and 24 losses.

A 28/24 record is a favorable ROI for the $6M+ investment?

Dude when he got hired we were the laughing stock of the conference. We were flat out embarrassing. there were years we weren't making out own conference tournament. How many consensus top 100 recruits did we get with Norm

It doesn't matter what he was paid. Was his first year not one of the best we have ever had as fans the last 20 years ?

Did we make the NCAA's twice in 5 years ?

Yes or no

And don't cherry pick 3 years. He was here 5 years and 1 year had cancer

Again he wasn't a great coach. He was average but average at st Johns is actually pretty good unfortunately.

You were ecstatic when he got hired too

And the salary was a reflection of our program sucking so bad no one wanting the job. Paul Hewitt ? Oh yeah that almost happened

And Mullin is getting paid more than Lavin most likely close to top 25 in college basketball and we can't hit foul shots at the end of the season which is probably one of the easier things to teach a player but you don't see me whining about that

Mike Norm's last year here the team went 17-16/6-12 with an NIT bid. He then turned over a roster to Lavin who took those same kids to the NCAA tournament. I give Lavin full credit for being able to do something with Norm's kids that Norm was not capable of doing. But what Lavin inherited was a far cry from what he left Chris. Had Lavin stayed, the team and state of the program would once again be considered the "laughing stock" of the conference. The only reason we are not is because of Chris and the staff. So while Lavin did invigorate the program, and while he had some good moments here, he left the program in worse shape than when he arrived. It's nothing personal(Sonny), it's just business.

 

[paultzman]

Cant fault the committee for that. If I had to do it all over again based on who was available I'd still have hired Lavin.

What part of Lavin being a failure at rebuilding the once proud men's basketball don't you understand?

The TV Announcer was paid a reported $2M+ per year yet during his last 3 seasons he compiled a mediocre Big East record of just 28 wins and 24 losses.

A 28/24 record is a favorable ROI for the $6M+ investment?

Dude when he got hired we were the laughing stock of the conference. We were flat out embarrassing. there were years we weren't making out own conference tournament. How many consensus top 100 recruits did we get with Norm

It doesn't matter what he was paid. Was his first year not one of the best we have ever had as fans the last 20 years ?

Did we make the NCAA's twice in 5 years ?

Yes or no

And don't cherry pick 3 years. He was here 5 years and 1 year had cancer

Again he wasn't a great coach. He was average but average at st Johns is actually pretty good unfortunately.

You were ecstatic when he got hired too

And the salary was a reflection of our program sucking so bad no one wanting the job. Paul Hewitt ? Oh yeah that almost happened

And Mullin is getting paid more than Lavin most likely close to top 25 in college basketball and we can't hit foul shots at the end of the season which is probably one of the easier things to teach a player but you don't see me whining about that

Mike Norm's last year here the team went 17-16/6-12 with an NIT bid. He then turned over a roster to Lavin who took those same kids to the NCAA tournament. I give Lavin full credit for being able to do something with Norm's kids that Norm was not capable of doing. But what Lavin inherited was a far cry from what he left Chris. Had Lavin stayed, the team and state of the program would once again be considered the "laughing stock" of the conference. The only reason we are not is because of Chris and the staff. So while Lavin did invigorate the program, and while he had some good moments here, he left the program in worse shape than when he arrived. It's nothing personal(Sonny), it's just business.

Anticipating a clever Foad Lavin> Fredo reference.

 

[kranmars]

Can't believe I take a look at the site for the first time in a month and the first thing I see is a Lavin thread. SMH

Think of it as a hallmark card from redmen.com saying "Thinking of you."

 

[mjmaherjr]

Cant fault the committee for that. If I had to do it all over again based on who was available I'd still have hired Lavin.

What part of Lavin being a failure at rebuilding the once proud men's basketball don't you understand?

The TV Announcer was paid a reported $2M+ per year yet during his last 3 seasons he compiled a mediocre Big East record of just 28 wins and 24 losses.

A 28/24 record is a favorable ROI for the $6M+ investment?

Dude when he got hired we were the laughing stock of the conference. We were flat out embarrassing. there were years we weren't making out own conference tournament. How many consensus top 100 recruits did we get with Norm

It doesn't matter what he was paid. Was his first year not one of the best we have ever had as fans the last 20 years ?

Did we make the NCAA's twice in 5 years ?

Yes or no

And don't cherry pick 3 years. He was here 5 years and 1 year had cancer

Again he wasn't a great coach. He was average but average at st Johns is actually pretty good unfortunately.

You were ecstatic when he got hired too

And the salary was a reflection of our program sucking so bad no one wanting the job. Paul Hewitt ? Oh yeah that almost happened

And Mullin is getting paid more than Lavin most likely close to top 25 in college basketball and we can't hit foul shots at the end of the season which is probably one of the easier things to teach a player but you don't see me whining about that

So Mullin is more than fair game to critize less than a year into the job with a team they had to literally throw together at the last minute but the cause of that situation is off limits because an assistant coached inherited players to a good season? He then lucked into another NCAA because he was finally forced to play Pointer, a player he had no idea what to do with for three years. In between, he did virtually nothing except bring in a pot smoking head case and a talented bigger head case no other school wanted. As Monte said, "yeah right". And I sympathize with his bout with cancer but it appears once he recovered he could dine exquisitely but it still prevented him from visiting high school gyms. The reason we have one of, if not the worst team in the history of the league, is because of Lavin's laziness pure and simple. And all the unwarranted and infantile criticism of Mullin doesn't change that FACT one bit.

I don't care if people criticize Lavin for what Chris inherited. What is exactly so hard to understand from my posts ? I don't care that lavin got fired ( and I was knocking him the last 2 years too sometimes ) and if you go back and look at my posts I have written in the past that what Chris inherited is probably worse than what Norm inherited. But Lavin wasn't a failure because he gave us 1 miracle year and he got us to another tourney so 40% of the time we were in the big dance. Is that great ? No. He should have had us in by Dlo's 3rd year. And then recruiting went down which he paid the price for which he deserved. He was an average coach which by st johns track record of coaches is pretty good unfortutantley If you cant admit that then you are completely blinded by your hate of Lavin

Norm was a complete failure.

And my criticism of Mullin which is actually been pretty fair is far from infantile and if you think ANY coach is beyond criticism then honestly you need to do your own reflecting because the 1 thing that I harped on the most about sitting on the scorers table doing nothing but watching and not coaching during the game was brought to his attention by others which I know for FACT. Also if it wasn't a big deal why did the ref;s kick him off the scorers table during the Xavier game ? Why did they do that ?

Here is a fact. If Lavin sat on the scorers table or wasn't in the huddles or letting other coaches coach the game you would flat out be destroying him on the boards as would I. That's a FACT

So 1 last time. I don't care that Lavin got fired. if he got a 2 year extension I would have been fine with that. it is reasonable to think that his team this year would have been equal or slightly better in quality but in now way would I expect much different results unless Jordan stayed and these type of results I'd be leading the charge to fire Lavin

In no way shape or form have I ONCE criticized Mullin for the recruiting and roster this year. FACT

When Mullin got hired I was ecstatic. FACT

Not once have I criticized Mullin recruiting for next year. FACT

Every single poster who knows me that I talk to on the boards knows for a FACT that I have said I couldn't be HAPPIER with Mullin's recruiting so far

I wrote on this very board that for his recruiting I give him an A+. FACT

So take your blinders off because it doesn't mean Mullin is beyond any criticism whatsoever regardless of what he inherited and go to the providence game and look at 114 and you will see like always unless we are getting blown out about 10 of us who al sit together and Paultz who sits to our right jumping up and down cheering for Mullin and the team. FACT

 

[paultzman]

I subscribe to notion that Mullin can't be fairly evaluated this season based on the poor roster he inherited. That said, this is a message board, not a "coaches corner". As such, I believe there is a place for some commentary about the staff. I believe MJM is a fair guy without an axe to grind, so I never interpret his comments as bashing.

I was a season ticket holder during Mullin era & a huge fan of his SJU accomplishments. Also, I thought he was a good choice to turn things around, but did worry about his lack of coaching experience. I was a bit disappointed he did not hire an experienced X&O guy to help him, but give him the benefit of the doubt on the role St. Jean plays.

Next year we should have a much clearer sense of Mullin's & staff's ability, as much as fans can make rational judgments in that regard. As such, to me it is perfectly fair for posters to voice opinions & comment. After all Chris may be a legend, but he is being paid quite well & scrutiny of his regime seems to be part of the equation.

Clearly the recruiting has been successful to date & kudos to staff for that in such short order. Now over the next few years we'll find out how that translates to success on the court & establishing a quality program on a continuous basis. I'll put soap box away now.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I subscribe to notion that Mullin can't be fairly evaluated this season based on the poor roster he inherited. That said, this is a message board, not a "coaches corner". As such, I believe there is a place for some commentary about the staff. I believe MJM is a fair guy without an axe to grind, so I never interpret his comments as bashing.

I was a season ticket holder during Mullin era & a huge fan of his SJU accomplishments. Also, I thought he was a good choice to turn things around, but did worry about his lack of coaching experience. I was a bit disappointed he did not hire an experienced X&O guy to help him, but give him the benefit of the doubt on the role St. Jean plays.

Next year we should have a much clearer sense of Mullin's & staff's ability, as much as fans can make rational judgments in that regard. As such, to me it is perfectly fair for posters to voice opinions & comment. After all Chris may be a legend, but he is being paid quite well & scrutiny of his regime seems to be part of the equation.

Clearly the recruiting has been successful to date & kudos to staff for that in such short order. Now over the next few years we'll find out how that translates to success on the court & establishing a quality program on a continuous basis. I'll put soap box away now.

+1

 

[we are sju]

I subscribe to notion that Mullin can't be fairly evaluated this season based on the poor roster he inherited. That said, this is a message board, not a "coaches corner". As such, I believe there is a place for some commentary about the staff. I believe MJM is a fair guy without an axe to grind, so I never interpret his comments as bashing.

I was a season ticket holder during Mullin era & a huge fan of his SJU accomplishments. Also, I thought he was a good choice to turn things around, but did worry about his lack of coaching experience. I was a bit disappointed he did not hire an experienced X&O guy to help him, but give him the benefit of the doubt on the role St. Jean plays.

Next year we should have a much clearer sense of Mullin's & staff's ability, as much as fans can make rational judgments in that regard. As such, to me it is perfectly fair for posters to voice opinions & comment. After all Chris may be a legend, but he is being paid quite well & scrutiny of his regime seems to be part of the equation.

Clearly the recruiting has been successful to date & kudos to staff for that in such short order. Now over the next few years we'll find out how that translates to success on the court & establishing a quality program on a continuous basis. I'll put soap box away now.

Until it was turned into a home gym a few years back you could have walked into my old room at my parents house and a Mullin poster would have been on the wall next to Christie Brinkley, Heather Thomas and Darryl Strawberry. So what I am saying is I am with Mullin no matter what. That does not mean I can't ding him from time to time. Nothing wrong with that and I don't think I have to take a Mullin oath before every post if it is negative and neither should anyone else. If we still stink three years from now people will eventually turn on him completely, I just won't be one of them.

The ST Jean thing would not stand out so much if like Paultz said he would have hired a George Blaney type. I think people would not have even mentioned it. ST Jean might very well be the next Greg Popovich but it does seem odd giving him so much responsibility. At his age I shouldn't have been trusted with a checkbook

 

[mjmaherjr]

I subscribe to notion that Mullin can't be fairly evaluated this season based on the poor roster he inherited. That said, this is a message board, not a "coaches corner". As such, I believe there is a place for some commentary about the staff. I believe MJM is a fair guy without an axe to grind, so I never interpret his comments as bashing.

I was a season ticket holder during Mullin era & a huge fan of his SJU accomplishments. Also, I thought he was a good choice to turn things around, but did worry about his lack of coaching experience. I was a bit disappointed he did not hire an experienced X&O guy to help him, but give him the benefit of the doubt on the role St. Jean plays.

Next year we should have a much clearer sense of Mullin's & staff's ability, as much as fans can make rational judgments in that regard. As such, to me it is perfectly fair for posters to voice opinions & comment. After all Chris may be a legend, but he is being paid quite well & scrutiny of his regime seems to be part of the equation.

Clearly the recruiting has been successful to date & kudos to staff for that in such short order. Now over the next few years we'll find out how that translates to success on the court & establishing a quality program on a continuous basis. I'll put soap box away now.

Until it was turned into a home gym a few years back you could have walked into my old room at my parents house and a Mullin poster would have been on the wall next to Christie Brinkley, Heather Thomas and Darryl Strawberry. So what I am saying is I am with Mullin no matter what. That does not mean I can't ding him from time to time. Nothing wrong with that and I don't think I have to take a Mullin oath before every post if it is negative and neither should anyone else. If we still stink three years from now people will eventually turn on him completely, I just won't be one of them.

The ST Jean thing would not stand out so much if like Paultz said he would have hired a George Blaney type. I think people would not have even mentioned it. ST Jean might very well be the next Greg Popovich but it does seem odd giving him so much responsibility. At his age I shouldn't have been trusted with a checkbook

I think this is very reasonable other than you cant put heather Thomas and Brinkley on the same wall as Mullin and Strawberry. They need to be in direct eyesight of your bed when you wake up in the morning where as Mullin and Strawberry need to be on a wall far away from them preferable over your desk or something

 

[we are sju]

I subscribe to notion that Mullin can't be fairly evaluated this season based on the poor roster he inherited. That said, this is a message board, not a "coaches corner". As such, I believe there is a place for some commentary about the staff. I believe MJM is a fair guy without an axe to grind, so I never interpret his comments as bashing.

I was a season ticket holder during Mullin era & a huge fan of his SJU accomplishments. Also, I thought he was a good choice to turn things around, but did worry about his lack of coaching experience. I was a bit disappointed he did not hire an experienced X&O guy to help him, but give him the benefit of the doubt on the role St. Jean plays.

Next year we should have a much clearer sense of Mullin's & staff's ability, as much as fans can make rational judgments in that regard. As such, to me it is perfectly fair for posters to voice opinions & comment. After all Chris may be a legend, but he is being paid quite well & scrutiny of his regime seems to be part of the equation.

Clearly the recruiting has been successful to date & kudos to staff for that in such short order. Now over the next few years we'll find out how that translates to success on the court & establishing a quality program on a continuous basis. I'll put soap box away now.

Until it was turned into a home gym a few years back you could have walked into my old room at my parents house and a Mullin poster would have been on the wall next to Christie Brinkley, Heather Thomas and Darryl Strawberry. So what I am saying is I am with Mullin no matter what. That does not mean I can't ding him from time to time. Nothing wrong with that and I don't think I have to take a Mullin oath before every post if it is negative and neither should anyone else. If we still stink three years from now people will eventually turn on him completely, I just won't be one of them.

The ST Jean thing would not stand out so much if like Paultz said he would have hired a George Blaney type. I think people would not have even mentioned it. ST Jean might very well be the next Greg Popovich but it does seem odd giving him so much responsibility. At his age I shouldn't have been trusted with a checkbook

I think this is very reasonable other than you cant put heather Thomas and Brinkley on the same wall as Mullin and Strawberry. She needs to be in direct eyesight of your bed when you wake up in the morning where as Mullin and Strawberry need to be on a wall far away from her

I was professional, posters were strategically placed as they should have been

 

[austour]

Cant fault the committee for that. If I had to do it all over again based on who was available I'd still have hired Lavin.

What part of Lavin being a failure at rebuilding the once proud men's basketball don't you understand?

The TV Announcer was paid a reported $2M+ per year yet during his last 3 seasons he compiled a mediocre Big East record of just 28 wins and 24 losses.

A 28/24 record is a favorable ROI for the $6M+ investment?

Dude when he got hired we were the laughing stock of the conference. We were flat out embarrassing. there were years we weren't making out own conference tournament. How many consensus top 100 recruits did we get with Norm

It doesn't matter what he was paid. Was his first year not one of the best we have ever had as fans the last 20 years ?

Did we make the NCAA's twice in 5 years ?

Yes or no

And don't cherry pick 3 years. He was here 5 years and 1 year had cancer

Again he wasn't a great coach. He was average but average at st Johns is actually pretty good unfortunately.

You were ecstatic when he got hired too

And the salary was a reflection of our program sucking so bad no one wanting the job. Paul Hewitt ? Oh yeah that almost happened

And Mullin is getting paid more than Lavin most likely close to top 25 in college basketball and we can't hit foul shots at the end of the season which is probably one of the easier things to teach a player but you don't see me whining about that

Mike Norm's last year here the team went 17-16/6-12 with an NIT bid. He then turned over a roster to Lavin who took those same kids to the NCAA tournament. I give Lavin full credit for being able to do something with Norm's kids that Norm was not capable of doing. But what Lavin inherited was a far cry from what he left Chris. Had Lavin stayed, the team and state of the program would once again be considered the "laughing stock" of the conference. The only reason we are not is because of Chris and the staff. So while Lavin did invigorate the program, and while he had some good moments here, he left the program in worse shape than when he arrived. It's nothing personal(Sonny), it's just business.

All true, however, until we started getting towards the end of the season Lavin no doubt thought his roster for this year would include Jordan, Obekpa, Sampson, Mussini, Lovett, plus CJ, Felix and AMar. The fact that it didn't turn out that way and instead went all disaster on the team was reason enough to fire him and I don't think anyone's arguing that. But if that team had returned intact it would not have been a laughing stock. Just mediocre.

 

[beast of the east]

Cant fault the committee for that. If I had to do it all over again based on who was available I'd still have hired Lavin.

What part of Lavin being a failure at rebuilding the once proud men's basketball don't you understand?

The TV Announcer was paid a reported $2M+ per year yet during his last 3 seasons he compiled a mediocre Big East record of just 28 wins and 24 losses.

A 28/24 record is a favorable ROI for the $6M+ investment?

Dude when he got hired we were the laughing stock of the conference. We were flat out embarrassing. there were years we weren't making out own conference tournament. How many consensus top 100 recruits did we get with Norm

It doesn't matter what he was paid. Was his first year not one of the best we have ever had as fans the last 20 years ?

Did we make the NCAA's twice in 5 years ?

Yes or no

And don't cherry pick 3 years. He was here 5 years and 1 year had cancer

Again he wasn't a great coach. He was average but average at st Johns is actually pretty good unfortunately.

You were ecstatic when he got hired too

And the salary was a reflection of our program sucking so bad no one wanting the job. Paul Hewitt ? Oh yeah that almost happened

And Mullin is getting paid more than Lavin most likely close to top 25 in college basketball and we can't hit foul shots at the end of the season which is probably one of the easier things to teach a player but you don't see me whining about that

Mike Norm's last year here the team went 17-16/6-12 with an NIT bid. He then turned over a roster to Lavin who took those same kids to the NCAA tournament. I give Lavin full credit for being able to do something with Norm's kids that Norm was not capable of doing. But what Lavin inherited was a far cry from what he left Chris. Had Lavin stayed, the team and state of the program would once again be considered the "laughing stock" of the conference. The only reason we are not is because of Chris and the staff. So while Lavin did invigorate the program, and while he had some good moments here, he left the program in worse shape than when he arrived. It's nothing personal(Sonny), it's just business.

All true, however, until we started getting towards the end of the season Lavin no doubt thought his roster for this year would include Jordan, Obekpa, Sampson, Mussini, Lovett, plus CJ, Felix and AMar. The fact that it didn't turn out that way and instead went all disaster on the team was reason enough to fire him and I don't think anyone's arguing that. But if that team had returned intact it would not have been a laughing stock. Just mediocre.

Plus some posters on here thought that big center from Greece was in the bag while Lavin was still on board. I still think Lavin would have pulled a rabbit out of the hat, but likely at best we'd have been a bubble team or headed to the NIT.

Like Maher and a few others, I just really respect the guys that have been a little more balanced about what was accomplished under his tenure - and I agree completely with your post - still reason to fire him.

 

[redken]

Not directed to anyone in particular, but ... zzzzzzzzzz.

 

[doodyny33]

Lavin is a good guy. And I think he had bad luck with recruiting. Harmless and Jakarr leaving after 1 year; missing out on Gathers and Pelle, the early blowup of Lindsey, and his coaching limits doomed him and the team to some exciting but, overall, disappointing years.
Good guy.
Now let's do it with Mullin & Crew.

Recruiting failures were less about bad luck and more about a lack of work ethic.

i agree with you. i don't know what happened those last 2 years, but it almost seemed like he didn't care as much. he'd put all his chips on a kid like briscoe and when it didn't pan out, there was never a backup plan.

to this day, i feel bad it didn't work out. i liked him on a personal level and how he was the face of the school. but at the end of the day, it's about consistent results.

 

[beast of the east]

I wonder if starting a thread about Lavin on the UCLA board raises such interest?

At least their hate was original.

 

[fuchsia]

I wonder if starting a thread about Lavin on the UCLA board raises such interest?

At least their hate was original.

Beastie, I think of it as the Middle East foreign policy approach to posting. Every time there is a crop failure, corruption scandal, blatant miscarriage of justice, etc. bring up those dirty bastards in (fill in the blank) that we should really wipe out as the source of all problems. Every time our team regresses, looks disorganized, plays lousy team defense (the one that gets to me), throws the ball away carelessly time after time, shoots below 50% at the line, etc. get every body venting about former coaches to release a little pressure and return to hopefulness as soon as possible. As for me, the last time I was truly pleased with a STJ head coach was 1965.

 

[beast of the east]

I wonder if starting a thread about Lavin on the UCLA board raises such interest?

At least their hate was original.

Beastie, I think of it as the Middle East foreign policy approach to posting. Every time there is a crop failure, corruption scandal, blatant miscarriage of justice, etc. bring up those dirty bastards in (fill in the blank) that we should really wipe out as the source of all problems. Every time our team regresses, looks disorganized, plays lousy team defense (the one that gets to me), throws the ball away carelessly time after time, shoots below 50% at the line, etc. get every body venting about former coaches to release a little pressure and return to hopefulness as soon as possible. As for me, the last time I was truly pleased with a STJ head coach was 1965.

I love your posts and like you. On you dialing it back that far, back in the Looie days, Cahill would complain to many he knew that "Looie never wins the big games."

 

[simplyred]

Not directed to anyone in particular, but ... zzzzzzzzzz.

+1000