Kudos to the Coaching Staff
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a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you
PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.
Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.
Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?
Jones would be a serviceable PF off the bench on a decent team. Unfortunately he is being asked to start and carry a heavier load than he is capable of due to the lack of talent on this year's team. Naturally his %s, while still respectable, are going to suffer because of that. Maybe Jones was the exact same player last year. In which case he should have and could have provided the same kind of serviceable off the bench minutes on last year's height and depth challenged team. Unfortunately the last staff were to clueless to realize it.
I suggest you rewatch the Villanova games to get a clearer picture. Concentrate on the Ochefu matchup and get back to me.
So obviously you agree the current staff has helped him improve?
Actually, just kidding, I realize the sun rises and sets on Lavin as far as you're concerned. As I always say, stats be damned, they are for people who don't know the game. All you have to do is watch Jones play to see he has improved.
a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you
PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.
Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.
Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?
Jones would be a serviceable PF off the bench on a decent team. Unfortunately he is being asked to start and carry a heavier load than he is capable of due to the lack of talent on this year's team. Naturally his %s, while still respectable, are going to suffer because of that. Maybe Jones was the exact same player last year. In which case he should have and could have provided the same kind of serviceable off the bench minutes on last year's height and depth challenged team. Unfortunately the last staff were to clueless to realize it.
I suggest you rewatch the Villanova games to get a clearer picture. Concentrate on the Ochefu matchup and get back to me.
Look up the word "confidence" in the dictionary and get back to me.
Ochefu was a 6'11" 245 lb center on a team that was 32-2 and top 5 in the country. C Jones was a 6'7" backup forward on a not very good team coached by an imbecile. In the first game he played all of six minutes. In the second he played 15 - along side starting center Joey DeLaRosa and a bunch of other walkons who got 21 minutes between them. Saint John's lost the two games by a combined 55 points. So you might want to get a new yardstick. Or glasses.
Doesn't Jones graduate this year? If so, I beleive he can transfer anywhere he wants next year and play immediately as a graduate student. If he stays here, great. But if he is truly a high-major talent, he should get snapped up by any number of teams. That will be the real test.
Maybe, just maybe Christian enjoys playing for St. Johns. Maybe he has a good group of friends that he enjoys hanging out with. Maybe he has a girlfriend that is an underclassman. Maybe he has a great relationship with his coaches and teammates. Maybe, just maybe, the decision as to whether he stays or transfers should be made by Christian.
If Christian was averaging 17 & 7 and then decided to transfer to Texas after this year, he would be the most ungrateful person in history since Judas. However, some posers are ready to throw him out with the bathwater if someone better is available.
Loyalty is a two way street.
If Christian was averaging 17 & 7 and then decided to transfer to Texas after this year, he would be the most ungrateful person in history since Judas. However, some posers are ready to throw him out with the bathwater if someone better is available.
Loyalty is a two way street.
beast of the east
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The word was that GG was considering transferring to Harvard for his post graduate year. No one was complaining if that was a better opportunity for him. To suggest that a player (no matter what his numbers) should control his own roster spot once he has been a scholarship recipient for 4 years is just not how it works as much as you'd like it to be that way. The coaching staff makes that decision, and I'm fine with whatever they ultimately decide.
To bring this back on track though, the coaching staff has done a fine job recruiting. Recruiting a powerhouse team from rubble is a progressive event. You have some early successes and you build upon that until you field a solid 10-12 guys who will all contribute at some point in their career here. You start by recruiting in the 100s, and hope to get to the point where you routinely are in the top 50, then top 25, and finally start nabbing top ten prospects with some regularity. I'm really encouraged by the job Mullin and staff has done, but the real satisfaction will be when we move into the top third of the big east, secure an NCAA bid, and break the top 30. Until then, I'm just pleased, and have the high expectation that we will achieve all of that within a few seasons.
we are sju
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Big Mullin fan.
Until I actually see any of these guys play a game FOR ST. John's they have not done anything yet.
a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you
PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.
Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.
Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?
Jones would be a serviceable PF off the bench on a decent team. Unfortunately he is being asked to start and carry a heavier load than he is capable of due to the lack of talent on this year's team. Naturally his %s, while still respectable, are going to suffer because of that. Maybe Jones was the exact same player last year. In which case he should have and could have provided the same kind of serviceable off the bench minutes on last year's height and depth challenged team. Unfortunately the last staff were to clueless to realize it.
I suggest you rewatch the Villanova games to get a clearer picture. Concentrate on the Ochefu matchup and get back to me.
So obviously you agree the current staff has helped him improve?
Actually, just kidding, I realize the sun rises and sets on Lavin as far as you're concerned. As I always say, stats be damned, they are for people who don't know the game. All you have to do is watch Jones play to see he has improved.
Yes, he has improved no question and I'm happy but you don't go backwards and then think that he could play this way last year . It's a ridiculous assumption.
But if you witnessed the games would you give him more run? If you did, people might consider you and bigger imbecile than the guy you referred to. Regarding your size stuff Abdul-Malik Abu all 6 8 of himself abused Ochefu in NCAA. Size doesn't matter if you can play. Remember Willis Reed against Chamberlain held his own mostly if not winning the battles and their is a bigger disparity in height and weight than your conclusion.
we are sju
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Title of this thread needs to be changed to:
Kudos to coaching staff / Chris Jones should transfer next year / Some posters are racist / size doesn't matter.
Kudos to coaching staff / Chris Jones should transfer next year / Some posters are racist / size doesn't matter.
a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you
PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.
Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.
Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?
Jones would be a serviceable PF off the bench on a decent team. Unfortunately he is being asked to start and carry a heavier load than he is capable of due to the lack of talent on this year's team. Naturally his %s, while still respectable, are going to suffer because of that. Maybe Jones was the exact same player last year. In which case he should have and could have provided the same kind of serviceable off the bench minutes on last year's height and depth challenged team. Unfortunately the last staff were to clueless to realize it.
I suggest you rewatch the Villanova games to get a clearer picture. Concentrate on the Ochefu matchup and get back to me.
So obviously you agree the current staff has helped him improve?
Actually, just kidding, I realize the sun rises and sets on Lavin as far as you're concerned. As I always say, stats be damned, they are for people who don't know the game. All you have to do is watch Jones play to see he has improved.
Yes, he has improved no question and I'm happy but you don't go backwards and then think that he could play this way last year . It's a ridiculous assumption.
Well, here's the deal on last year, we will never know since your boy was not remotely interested in developing a team; it was just easier to roll the balls out, count his money, and decide where he was going to dinner.
a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you
PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.
Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.
Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?
Jones would be a serviceable PF off the bench on a decent team. Unfortunately he is being asked to start and carry a heavier load than he is capable of due to the lack of talent on this year's team. Naturally his %s, while still respectable, are going to suffer because of that. Maybe Jones was the exact same player last year. In which case he should have and could have provided the same kind of serviceable off the bench minutes on last year's height and depth challenged team. Unfortunately the last staff were to clueless to realize it.
I suggest you rewatch the Villanova games to get a clearer picture. Concentrate on the Ochefu matchup and get back to me.
So obviously you agree the current staff has helped him improve?
Actually, just kidding, I realize the sun rises and sets on Lavin as far as you're concerned. As I always say, stats be damned, they are for people who don't know the game. All you have to do is watch Jones play to see he has improved.
Yes, he has improved no question and I'm happy but you don't go backwards and then think that he could play this way last year . It's a ridiculous assumption.
Well, here's the deal on last year, we will never know since your boy was not remotely interested in developing a team; it was just easier to roll the balls out, count his money, and decide where he was going to dinner.
Hilarious, Coach.
a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you
PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.
Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.
Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?
Jones would be a serviceable PF off the bench on a decent team. Unfortunately he is being asked to start and carry a heavier load than he is capable of due to the lack of talent on this year's team. Naturally his %s, while still respectable, are going to suffer because of that. Maybe Jones was the exact same player last year. In which case he should have and could have provided the same kind of serviceable off the bench minutes on last year's height and depth challenged team. Unfortunately the last staff were to clueless to realize it.
I suggest you rewatch the Villanova games to get a clearer picture. Concentrate on the Ochefu matchup and get back to me.
So obviously you agree the current staff has helped him improve?
Actually, just kidding, I realize the sun rises and sets on Lavin as far as you're concerned. As I always say, stats be damned, they are for people who don't know the game. All you have to do is watch Jones play to see he has improved.
Yes, he has improved no question and I'm happy but you don't go backwards and then think that he could play this way last year . It's a ridiculous assumption.
Well, here's the deal on last year, we will never know since your boy was not remotely interested in developing a team; it was just easier to roll the balls out, count his money, and decide where he was going to dinner.
Hilarious, Coach.
Well, I would describe it as something else - the truth.
No one is suggesting that Chris Jones will be an NBA HOF'er like Willis Reed or that he is qualified to cover Wilt Chamberlain. What some people are suggesting is that it is too early to judge his talent as a college BB player, since he has barely played enough minutes to comprise a full season. How he did last year in 20 minutes of garbage time minutes against a bigger stronger player on an infinitely better team is completely irrelevant to that question.
The school has a legal obligation to honor the scholarship for one year, and absent behavioral or academic issues, probably a moral obligation for a four year ride. As to the fifth year, if player has graduated, either the player or the school should be free to end the relationship.
beast of the east
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a post like this deserves to be written in the third person style that No Hope perfected. So I fixed that first line for you
PS don't bother pointing out that CJ is actually averaging 5.6 rebs/game and just over 3 against high majors. Is he better as 22 year old than he was as an 18 year old against low major front lines so far, sure. Let's see how he does against the Big East before we call him a solid big east player.
Except that he was no better as a 21 year old than he was as an 18 year old. Yet he becomes significantly better as a 22 year old than he was as a 21 year old. Me thinks that may just have something to do with the new staff.
Here's the rub. He's not significantly better. He's significantly more productive because he's playing significantly more minutes on a significantly worse team. All his shooting percentages are significantly worse than last year (admittedly off a very small sample size) and his rebounds per minute are essentially the same. So how is he significantly better, not significantly better than his teammates, significantly better period?
Jones would be a serviceable PF off the bench on a decent team. Unfortunately he is being asked to start and carry a heavier load than he is capable of due to the lack of talent on this year's team. Naturally his %s, while still respectable, are going to suffer because of that. Maybe Jones was the exact same player last year. In which case he should have and could have provided the same kind of serviceable off the bench minutes on last year's height and depth challenged team. Unfortunately the last staff were to clueless to realize it.
I suggest you rewatch the Villanova games to get a clearer picture. Concentrate on the Ochefu matchup and get back to me.
So obviously you agree the current staff has helped him improve?
Actually, just kidding, I realize the sun rises and sets on Lavin as far as you're concerned. As I always say, stats be damned, they are for people who don't know the game. All you have to do is watch Jones play to see he has improved.
Yes, he has improved no question and I'm happy but you don't go backwards and then think that he could play this way last year . It's a ridiculous assumption.
Well, here's the deal on last year, we will never know since your boy was not remotely interested in developing a team; it was just easier to roll the balls out, count his money, and decide where he was going to dinner.
Not a Lavin fan, but he did coax an NCAA bid out of a very short bench last year. You want to delude yourself and think CJ was worth more on the floor than anyone who got time, be my guest. If CJ could have contributed at forward, especially with the 3(4) guard offense we employed, he would have gotten run. he had his chances. Just my opinion.
He did deserve to get fired for not building a roster, but considering the boneheads CO and RJ (which many blame him for but who Mullin would have kept), he did about as well as could be expected last season with the unbalanced roster he built
The reality is on this year's talent compromised team, even Lavin would likely have given CJ some run. He had chances before and flubbed them, and now, good for him, so far he's played pretty well. Hope it continues.
Jones played in one game as a freshman, for 2 minutes.
Last year he played 124 minutes, 6 minutes a game. He had 13 DNPs. He played 48 minutes total after January 1st, 25 of those in two games. It does not seem like he had that many chances to flub, and anyway why is his alleged flubbing last year more relevant than his actual performance this year, in increased minutes, under a different staff.
There are three guys on this years team who look like completely different players: Balamou, Albiveickth, and Jones. It could be that they were always competent and no one ever noticed, or maybe Lavin stealth-improved them, or it could be that the new hall of fame staff is developing itself some players. In any event Jones has been a pleasant surprise and talk of throwing him overboard is nuts.