Kudos to the Coaching Staff

[JohnnyFan]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

Racism and prejudice is alive and well. I often wish people would recognize it for the problem it continues to be. For that reason, I find it unfortunate when someone introduces race to a non-racial driven situation. It turns people off and waters down the argument that race continues to be a problem.

There are too many logical, strategic reason why CJ would not be back before Amar. The most prominent ones have already be mentioned (CJ will be a graduate, Amar has more eligibility, the Euro connection, etc.).

As for our assistant coaches, I think Chris picked a staff that he felt would be most effective at this time. While they are not in the most prominent positions, it does include Mitch Richmond and Zendon Hamilton. I believe he also made overtures toward Ed Pickney.

We have a long way to go with race in this country. Let's not muddy the waters by applying it where it doesn't belong

 

[LJSA]

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

The policy generally seems to be that if a kid is good, they try to keep him.

If both the kid and staff are nice guys but the kid is not a good player, they will gently try to convince him to explore his options.

If kid stinks and coach is dick, they will tell him to find a new address.

Also, obligation ends way before graduation, since scholarships are not a four-year contract.

 

[Sleek718]

Sorry Fun (the king of misinterpreting posts) and others...

but the race part is not about SJU, it's about many posters on this board. It's not about Mullin's hiring, but the inability of many of you to discuss a question about race and how it might impact recruiting. It's not about the roster of mostly black players who are exploited by this whole college system we have in place regarding sports, but how disposable many of you act towards these young men. Or man up and talk about the issues when they're legit, but this board too scared.

I didn't call out the program.

I called out y'alls.

Did this board close a thread that just explored the question as to whether or not a Black assistant should be hired? Yes. Fact. Did this board allow many of you to bash Muslims for weeks with nothing to do with SJU or basketball (hope Bashir never read those posts)? Yes, fact. Do some of you hope to have CJ go away to open another roster spot? Seems so...and as Main Man said, it just don't sit right.

If you don't like me bringing race into this, then stop giving me reasons to do so by censorship of legit questions and the endorsement of hate speech. Maybe this wasn't the most appropriate thread to make that point, but doesn't mean the point shouldn't be made.

peace.

 

[ras]

Lets say we get the German kid ,Alkins and Thon and we need a scholi, and Mullin and staff asked a player not to return, I guarantee the decision would not be based on race but on who is most valuable player to SJUBB.

 

[LJSA]

Do some of you hope to have CJ go away to open another roster spot? Seems so...and as Main Man said, it just don't sit right.

If you don't like me bringing race into this, then stop giving me reasons to do so by censorship of legit questions and the endorsement of hate speech. Maybe this wasn't the most appropriate thread to make that point, but doesn't mean the point shouldn't be made.

peace.

As a soon-to-be fifth-year player who previously redshirted, CJ is the only guy eligible to transfer without sitting. That is the only reason he is being mentioned. If CJ were white, people would be saying the same exact thing.

I don't think he touches 5 mpg next season, and could possibly log a lot of DNPs. I personally don't see the need to force him out, and if he loves St. John's for reasons other than basketball, the staff should welcome him back with open arms. I don't think Alkins is coming after Freudenberg, so no need to try to create a roster spot at the expense of CJ. But if he wants to play a ton of minutes and be a starter, he needs to leave, because he's not getting those things here next season.

 

[fun]

Did this board allow many of you to bash Muslims for weeks with nothing to do with SJU or basketball

Islam is a religion. Muslims are not a race and if you think they are that makes you a bigot.

Do some of you hope to have CJ go away to open another roster spot? Seems so...and as Main Man said, it just don't sit right.

Personally I hoped that Marco Borgault would have been given Le Heave Ho a couple of years ago, but then I hate the French. But then I hate everyone, regardless of race, creed, color, and sexual orientation.

As it turn out I agree with you relative to the untoward feelings some posters here have about different people based upon their personal characteristics. But I'm also sure those same people would offer a scholarship to Louie Farrakhan if he could hit the three consistently.

if you don't like me bringing race into this, then stop giving me reasons to do so by censorship of legit questions and the endorsement of hate speech.

And here is where we will part company. I fully endorse hate speech. "The right most cherished by civilized men is the right to be left alone." That freedom entails the right to discriminate according to the conscience of the individual actor and to refuse to engage in commerce or intercourse with anyone, for any reason, at any time, without explanation or recrimination. This country is founded on hatred and you can have mine when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

peace

Wa-Alaikum-Salaam

 

[monte]

Do some of you hope to have CJ go away to open another roster spot? Seems so...and as Main Man said, it just don't sit right.

If you don't like me bringing race into this, then stop giving me reasons to do so by censorship of legit questions and the endorsement of hate speech. Maybe this wasn't the most appropriate thread to make that point, but doesn't mean the point shouldn't be made.

peace.

As a soon-to-be fifth-year player who previously redshirted, CJ is the only guy eligible to transfer without sitting. That is the only reason he is being mentioned. If CJ were white, people would be saying the same exact thing.

I don't think he touches 5 mpg next season, and could possibly log a lot of DNPs. I personally don't see the need to force him out, and if he loves St. John's for reasons other than basketball, the staff should welcome him back with open arms. I don't think Alkins is coming after Freudenberg, so no need to try to create a roster spot at the expense of CJ. But if he wants to play a ton of minutes and be a starter, he needs to leave, because he's not getting those things here next season.

Why is it an either/or situation? IMO CJ would be an excellent team leader/veteran who could give us 15 +/- hard nosed minutes off the bench. Undoubtedly a huge value to a very young team. As for race even remotely being a factor in the CJ equation, that's just plain ridiculous. Wanna debate racial issues, put the conversation where it belongs.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Do some of you hope to have CJ go away to open another roster spot? Seems so...and as Main Man said, it just don't sit right.

If you don't like me bringing race into this, then stop giving me reasons to do so by censorship of legit questions and the endorsement of hate speech. Maybe this wasn't the most appropriate thread to make that point, but doesn't mean the point shouldn't be made.

peace.

As a soon-to-be fifth-year player who previously redshirted, CJ is the only guy eligible to transfer without sitting. That is the only reason he is being mentioned. If CJ were white, people would be saying the same exact thing.

I don't think he touches 5 mpg next season, and could possibly log a lot of DNPs. I personally don't see the need to force him out, and if he loves St. John's for reasons other than basketball, the staff should welcome him back with open arms. I don't think Alkins is coming after Freudenberg, so no need to try to create a roster spot at the expense of CJ. But if he wants to play a ton of minutes and be a starter, he needs to leave, because he's not getting those things here next season.

Just wondering LJSA, but how would you rank our current bigs? In terms of production I have Jones 2nd to Sima. In terms of skill, I have him right there as well. The only big we are adding is Owens. Yea we may play small and Freudenberg will get some pf mins if we are lucky enough to have him, but you really think Jones will go from 30 mins a game to less then 5 with close to the same competition for minutes next year?

 

[logen]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

I think most posters here are way beyond thinking of our players as of a certain color. I had to think hard as to whether we had a black assistant, and Zendon came to mind. Then I had to think hard as to the composition of Lavin's staff, or even the AD.

If CJ is not offered a spot on the roster as a graduate student, it will be because the staff feels there won't really be a spot for him in the rotation. GG was offered a spot as a graduate student, and race played no part in it. Just that he could play a little.

It's pretty much nonsense to bring race into this picture when discussing our staff or composition of the roster.

Nonsense; Jones deserves to keep his scholarship if he wants it regardless what the staff thinks about his potential PT. I for one would be shocked if Mullin made such a decision arbitrarily. I believe he will do the right thing and present the situation and respect whatever decision Jones makes - whether to return and fight for PT or leave. As for Sleek's comments, I agree with his comment about pulling the assistant coach thread but disagree that the comments about Jones without Alibegovic was race motivated in any way; different circumstances.

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

No one gets a 4 year ride, scholarships are renewed yearly.

 

[Too_Funny]

Did this board allow many of you to bash Muslims for weeks with nothing to do with SJU or basketball

Islam is a religion. Muslims are not a race and if you think they are that makes you a bigot.

Do some of you hope to have CJ go away to open another roster spot? Seems so...and as Main Man said, it just don't sit right.

Personally I hoped that Marco Borgault would have been given Le Heave Ho a couple of years ago, but then I hate the French. But then I hate everyone, regardless of race, creed, color, and sexual orientation.

As it turn out I agree with you relative to the untoward feelings some posters here have about different people based upon their personal characteristics. But I'm also sure those same people would offer a scholarship to Louie Farrakhan if he could hit the three consistently.

if you don't like me bringing race into this, then stop giving me reasons to do so by censorship of legit questions and the endorsement of hate speech.

And here is where we will part company. I fully endorse hate speech. "The right most cherished by civilized men is the right to be left alone." That freedom entails the right to discriminate according to the conscience of the individual actor and to refuse to engage in commerce or intercourse with anyone, for any reason, at any time, without explanation or recrimination. This country is founded on hatred and you can have mine when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

peace

Wa-Alaikum-Salaam

Or perhaps Mr. Chomsky put it most aptly:
"If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech for views you don’t like. Goebbels was in favor of freedom of speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re in favor of freedom of speech, that means you’re in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise." ... Inshallah ...

 

[SJU14]

Do some of you hope to have CJ go away to open another roster spot? Seems so...and as Main Man said, it just don't sit right.

If you don't like me bringing race into this, then stop giving me reasons to do so by censorship of legit questions and the endorsement of hate speech. Maybe this wasn't the most appropriate thread to make that point, but doesn't mean the point shouldn't be made.

peace.

As a soon-to-be fifth-year player who previously redshirted, CJ is the only guy eligible to transfer without sitting. That is the only reason he is being mentioned. If CJ were white, people would be saying the same exact thing.

I don't think he touches 5 mpg next season, and could possibly log a lot of DNPs. I personally don't see the need to force him out, and if he loves St. John's for reasons other than basketball, the staff should welcome him back with open arms. I don't think Alkins is coming after Freudenberg, so no need to try to create a roster spot at the expense of CJ. But if he wants to play a ton of minutes and be a starter, he needs to leave, because he's not getting those things here next season.

Just wondering LJSA, but how would you rank our current bigs? In terms of production I have Jones 2nd to Sima. In terms of skill, I have him right there as well. The only big we are adding is Owens. Yea we may play small and Freudenberg will get some pf mins if we are lucky enough to have him, but you really think Jones will go from 30 mins a game to less then 5 with close to the same competition for minutes next year?

Freudenberg is a 6'8" stretch 4 so he would be playing the PF spot. With Sima, Owens, CJ, Freudenberg, Amar, Yakwe and Williams fighting for two spots, it's tough to get time. Especially if you are undersized at that position.

I also see the staff sitting CJ down and telling him exactly that. Not taking away his scholarship, but giving him the option of staying and possibly losing some minutes or allowing him to go to a school with more minutes available. And I'm sure coaches do this all the time with kids of all races.

 

[ras]

Yakwe is young. Next year he will be stronger, possibly taller. IMO he will improve a lot and be a better player than Jones .. But, that is speculation.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Usually the redmen.com rumors of players transferring or wanting them to transfer start after jan 1. Must be the El Nino that has put us in form early

 

[beast of the east]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

I think most posters here are way beyond thinking of our players as of a certain color. I had to think hard as to whether we had a black assistant, and Zendon came to mind. Then I had to think hard as to the composition of Lavin's staff, or even the AD.

If CJ is not offered a spot on the roster as a graduate student, it will be because the staff feels there won't really be a spot for him in the rotation. GG was offered a spot as a graduate student, and race played no part in it. Just that he could play a little.

It's pretty much nonsense to bring race into this picture when discussing our staff or composition of the roster.

Nonsense; Jones deserves to keep his scholarship if he wants it regardless what the staff thinks about his potential PT. I for one would be shocked if Mullin made such a decision arbitrarily. I believe he will do the right thing and present the situation and respect whatever decision Jones makes - whether to return and fight for PT or leave. As for Sleek's comments, I agree with his comment about pulling the assistant coach thread but disagree that the comments about Jones without Alibegovic was race motivated in any way; different circumstances.

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

No one gets a 4 year ride, scholarships are renewed yearly.

But if you yank one based on ability for a kid who wants to be here prior to 4 years being up, that's an issue, although it happens with frequency in all D1 sports. However, once you have been at a school for 4 seasons, even if red shirted, I think the school has more than fulfilled its obligation to any player once graduated, and makes a decision based on value to the team.

 

[fun]

Freudenberg is a 6'8" stretch 4 so he would be playing the PF spot. With Sima, Owens, CJ, Freudenberg, Amar, Yakwe and Williams fighting for two spots, it's tough to get time. Especially if you are undersized at that position.

I also see the staff sitting CJ down and telling him exactly that. Not taking away his scholarship, but giving him the option of staying and possibly losing some minutes or allowing him to go to a school with more minutes available.

As far as that goes, Jones has previous to this year played only 124 minutes of college BB, that under a staff that was not exactly renown for its player development skills. In 300 minutes this year he's averaging 8.5 points and nearly 6 rebounds - Burrell averaged 6 and 5 the year he was 6th Man of the year. Of the group you site only Ablavechovich is really a banger. Jones'd be a senior. I don't see how he wouldn't play. He might not get the 30 minutes he's getting now, but that's extravagant anyway.

 

[mjmaherjr]

The irony of the jones thing is if a 5th year senior big man was going to be available next year we'd be drooling. We have that future 5th year senior now. I'm on the Jones bandwagon. He might not be a star but he could have a role

 

[beast of the east]

The irony of the jones thing is if a 5th year senior big man was going to be available next year we'd be drooling. We have that 5th year senior now. I'm on the Jones bandwagon. He might not be a star but he could have a role

Let's see how well he plays in the Big East regular season before proclaiming him anything but more productive than in the past. Not saying he won't put up any numbers (somebody has to), but I'd rather wait and see before proclaiming him a Big East player.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

I think most posters here are way beyond thinking of our players as of a certain color. I had to think hard as to whether we had a black assistant, and Zendon came to mind. Then I had to think hard as to the composition of Lavin's staff, or even the AD.

If CJ is not offered a spot on the roster as a graduate student, it will be because the staff feels there won't really be a spot for him in the rotation. GG was offered a spot as a graduate student, and race played no part in it. Just that he could play a little.

It's pretty much nonsense to bring race into this picture when discussing our staff or composition of the roster.

Nonsense; Jones deserves to keep his scholarship if he wants it regardless what the staff thinks about his potential PT. I for one would be shocked if Mullin made such a decision arbitrarily. I believe he will do the right thing and present the situation and respect whatever decision Jones makes - whether to return and fight for PT or leave. As for Sleek's comments, I agree with his comment about pulling the assistant coach thread but disagree that the comments about Jones without Alibegovic was race motivated in any way; different circumstances.

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

No one gets a 4 year ride, scholarships are renewed yearly.

But if you yank one based on ability for a kid who wants to be here prior to 4 years being up, that's an issue, although it happens with frequency in all D1 sports. However, once you have been at a school for 4 seasons, even if red shirted, I think the school has more than fulfilled its obligation to any player once graduated, and makes a decision based on value to the team.

You would think redshirting a kid (albeit it the previous staff in this case) would lend its self to honoring a commitment to the player as long as he wishes to be here. Otherwise, why redshirt.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

The irony of the jones thing is if a 5th year senior big man was going to be available next year we'd be drooling. We have that future 5th year senior now. I'm on the Jones bandwagon. He might not be a star but he could have a role

Exactly MJ. I made the same analogy to him being a juco transfer this year. We would be raving about the pickup

 

[beast of the east]

Wait a sec, I thought it was the NCAA that raked in millions and didn't care about kids and their welfare and future. And that it was the coaching staffs (at least the righteous ones like ours) that did.

But if we were to jettison Jones because Prospect C may have more promise... well that would mean every part of collegiate athletics is rotten to the core, even a sanctified coaching staff.

And I just cannot stand here in the heart of Mullenville and accept that. Our program would never do such a thing.

agreed.

i find it ridiculous how posters here shit on kids for transferring, or smoking weed, and whatnot, but then act like NFL GMs when playing fantasy roster games with students who agreed to come here. Honor his scholarship and roster spot, period.

And sorry, why CJ and not one of the "lighter" players, and I ain't talkin' weight. But I don't see Amar's name being played with in this manner. Not saying he should, just an observation.

Yeah, I put it out there. Tough shit. This site was too scared to have a conversation about whether or not SJU should land a Black assistant and deleted that post, but carpet bombing Muslims posts are allowed to thrive.

CJ should not be a roster throwaway because of other talent, this ain't the pros. Why should CJ red shirt a year, or finish a degree elsewhere, just because some of you think it's a good idea?

peace.

I think most posters here are way beyond thinking of our players as of a certain color. I had to think hard as to whether we had a black assistant, and Zendon came to mind. Then I had to think hard as to the composition of Lavin's staff, or even the AD.

If CJ is not offered a spot on the roster as a graduate student, it will be because the staff feels there won't really be a spot for him in the rotation. GG was offered a spot as a graduate student, and race played no part in it. Just that he could play a little.

It's pretty much nonsense to bring race into this picture when discussing our staff or composition of the roster.

Nonsense; Jones deserves to keep his scholarship if he wants it regardless what the staff thinks about his potential PT. I for one would be shocked if Mullin made such a decision arbitrarily. I believe he will do the right thing and present the situation and respect whatever decision Jones makes - whether to return and fight for PT or leave. As for Sleek's comments, I agree with his comment about pulling the assistant coach thread but disagree that the comments about Jones without Alibegovic was race motivated in any way; different circumstances.

Do you know in general what the policy for most schools is for players that have unused eligibility but have graduated? I thought the school's obligation to a scholarship player ends at graduation. Is it automatic that a kid gets a 4 year ride, graduates, but is automatically asked back regardless of value to the team? Not contesting what you are saying, just asking you and others.

No one gets a 4 year ride, scholarships are renewed yearly.

But if you yank one based on ability for a kid who wants to be here prior to 4 years being up, that's an issue, although it happens with frequency in all D1 sports. However, once you have been at a school for 4 seasons, even if red shirted, I think the school has more than fulfilled its obligation to any player once graduated, and makes a decision based on value to the team.

You would think redshirting a kid (albeit it the previous staff in this case) would lend its self to honoring a commitment to the player as long as he wishes to be here. Otherwise, why redshirt.

Not that Lavin redshirts meant a lot, but you could redshirt a kid who you know wouldn't see the light of day during a particular season and hope that he would improve as time goes on. It's not a commitment for a 5th year in all cases. Let's say a 4 start recruit commits late and you have no scholarships available, and it comes down to offering CJ a 5th year when he won't play much or signing that player - what do you do?